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4 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I think Dickinson was miscast by Benning and Green and set up for a rough start here as a result. If there was one constant with the previous regime it was being completely unable to identify what they needed in a 3rd line center. Gaudette is another example of an almost comical level of ill fitted to that role despite being pushed into it for a long time. 
 

I think Dickinson will be fine. He is playing much better and is providing a physical element. He is getting his chances he just needs to get a lucky bounce. I have no issue with him right now as a support piece.

Gaudette, at best, was fringe offensive player (winger).  Yet Green saw fit to completely try to force him into a defensive, shutdown 3C.  It would be like having Demko man the point on the power play.  Yeah, for Gaudette to have *any* kind of career at the NHL level, he has to better round out his game (as his offensive clearly isn't good enough on its own).  Problem is, you don't "learn on the job" at the NHL level (especially that tough role, 3C).  You do that at the AHL level.

 

Coach Bruce knows this.  Green is still 'learning on the job'.

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22 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I think Dickinson was miscast by Benning and Green and set up for a rough start here as a result. If there was one constant with the previous regime it was being completely unable to identify what they needed in a 3rd line center. Gaudette is another example of an almost comical level of ill fitted to that role despite being pushed into it for a long time. 
 

I think Dickinson will be fine. He is playing much better and is providing a physical element. He is getting his chances he just needs to get a lucky bounce. I have no issue with him right now as a support piece.

I never felt that he was supposed to be signed for that spot.   We already have 3 C's for that cast.   To me he was a fourth line vet, defensive swiss army knife, that was signed to be an injury replacement. That said Green sure didn't play him like that .... wonder if he was waiting for Sutter but he'd have better info then us. Motte Sutter Dickinson is a solid fourth line ... PK line too.   All that is in the past now - Bruce has for the team going.    Look at Vegas when we played them .. Stastny as a 3/4 at 5.5 or so ... TB ... Johnson, and even Miller.   A good 3rd line C doesn't come at his cap hit it was always some false narrative IMO at least. 

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I think Dickinson could still be a solid top-9 forward, most likely as a winger who can fill in on C (rather than the other way around).  IMHO, Dickinson needs to catch a break or two and then we'll see some confidence return, at least in the offensive zone.  He has not had the season that I'm sure anyone hoped for and he seems like the kind of guy who will take the weight of that on his shoulders - essentially he "failed" in the role that Benning and Green assigned to him.

 

Boudreau giving him a new role is a great opportunity for him, especially if the role plays to his strengths.  The universal assessment of Dickinson is that he put up elite defensive numbers as a forward with the Stars - there were always question marks about his ability to play C however.  Dickinson's new role looks to be serving as the defensive conscience on Horvat's line who can use his speed and size on the forecheck and who has the skills to contribute on offence on that line.  It pairs well with Horvat and Hoglander and I think we could see some offensive production out of Dickinson once bounces go more his way.

 

I get why the Canucks tried to give Dickinson a lot of runway to play 3C but it was becoming clear very quickly that the position, for whatever reason, did not play to his strengths.  Adjustments weren't made until Boudreau came in.

 

Who knows how much longer the Canucks can keep this win streak going, but it's nice to see the players have more fun and exhibit more confidence again.  The same goes for Dickinson - hopefully he'll be on of the next guys we talk about as having a turn around this season.

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10 minutes ago, IBatch said:

I never felt that he was supposed to be signed for that spot.   We already have 3 C's for that cast.   To me he was a fourth line vet, defensive swiss army knife, that was signed to be an injury replacement. That said Green sure didn't play him like that .... wonder if he was waiting for Sutter but he'd have better info then us. Motte Sutter Dickinson is a solid fourth line ... PK line too.   All that is in the past now - Bruce has for the team going.    Look at Vegas when we played them .. Stastny as a 3/4 at 5.5 or so ... TB ... Johnson, and even Miller.   A good 3rd line C doesn't come at his cap hit it was always some false narrative IMO at least. 

Huh because this was the reports after he was acquired. 
couldn't find a single report that said they traded a 3rd round pick for a 4th line winger. 
 

 

With Vancouver, it is expected that Dickinson will be the Canucks third line centre and he will be responsible on the defensive side and help out on the penalty kill. While he does not provide a lot of offence, he does score goals every now and then.

(As per sports net) 

 

We think he’s a real good, third-line, matchup-type player,” Benning said. “We think he’s versatile. He can play centre, he can play the wing, he gives us speed and he’s a good penalty killer. And he’s 26 years old; he’s right in that window with the. . . rest of our group. And I think there’s still room for growth in his game offensively. We’re happy to get him.”

 


i guess that why some of us thought he was a third liner. 

he like the entire team has been better under BB. 
For me I’ll wait for a bit before I judge anyone since it seems they are all different players with a NHL coach.

 

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I like Dickinson's role with Horvat and Hoglander.

 

He seems to cause a lot of exterior havoc that allows room for Bo and Hogz to do their thing. Hasn't translated onto the score board, but Dickinson has been rock solid defensively for us. Just like Petey and Boeser, just need one to get that confidence back. He has been getting looks, it will come for him.

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He's opening up room for Horvat and Hoglander. He may not be getting points but he is helping his linemates get theirs. The three of them make a great shutdown line. dDespite getting the hardest matchups they've all been positive +/- players since they've been together

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1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Gaudette, at best, was fringe offensive player (winger).  Yet Green saw fit to completely try to force him into a defensive, shutdown 3C.  It would be like having Demko man the point on the power play.  Yeah, for Gaudette to have *any* kind of career at the NHL level, he has to better round out his game (as his offensive clearly isn't good enough on its own).  Problem is, you don't "learn on the job" at the NHL level (especially that tough role, 3C).  You do that at the AHL level.

 

Coach Bruce knows this.  Green is still 'learning on the job'.

Green tried for force Gaudette into that role, because he was trying to prolong his career.  Green recognized that like Motte, Gaudette's college skillset did not translate to the NHL.  Gaudette is smart and a good skater, if he'd committed to being a Motte-like player, worked on his face offs, tried to emulate Sutter and Beagle, he could have easily had a solid ten-year NHL career as a third/fourth-line shutdown center, but the player he needs to be to make it in the league is at odds with Gaudette's self image of being a second line Horvat-like center.

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Dickinson's never been much of a scorer so you never know - he gets chances but he may not bury them in the future either. Regardless, they're forming a fantastic shutdown line with Bo and Hoglander and you can't really complain when the line is scoring almost every game, and they could be considered out 3rd line right now.

 

 

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1 hour ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Green tried for force Gaudette into that role, because he was trying to prolong his career.  Green recognized that like Motte, Gaudette's college skillset did not translate to the NHL.  Gaudette is smart and a good skater, if he'd committed to being a Motte-like player, worked on his face offs, tried to emulate Sutter and Beagle, he could have easily had a solid ten-year NHL career as a third/fourth-line shutdown center, but the player he needs to be to make it in the league is at odds with Gaudette's self image of being a second line Horvat-like center.

And Green did little to teach him how to be successful, while setting him up to fail with his idiotic system.  

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11 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

And Green did little to teach him how to be successful, while setting him up to fail with his idiotic system.  

I disagree.  We have no idea what conversations Green had with Gaudette, but we know that he had three successful NHL caliber defensive forwards to emulate in Motte, Beagle and Sutter.  I'm sure Travis was clear with Gaudette what was expected or he would not have played him where he did, that Gaudette was too thick to accept the coaching is on him.  It's not like he's a can't miss prospect, he flopped in Chicago, a team in the middle of a rebuild, and the one game I saw him play with Ottawa, aside from scoring a goal, he was horrible, including contributing directly to a Vancouver goal, and being on the ice for another.

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3 hours ago, IBatch said:

I never felt that he was supposed to be signed for that spot.   We already have 3 C's for that cast.   To me he was a fourth line vet, defensive swiss army knife, that was signed to be an injury replacement. That said Green sure didn't play him like that .... wonder if he was waiting for Sutter but he'd have better info then us. Motte Sutter Dickinson is a solid fourth line ... PK line too.   All that is in the past now - Bruce has for the team going.    Look at Vegas when we played them .. Stastny as a 3/4 at 5.5 or so ... TB ... Johnson, and even Miller.   A good 3rd line C doesn't come at his cap hit it was always some false narrative IMO at least. 

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9 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

I disagree.  We have no idea what conversations Green had with Gaudette, but we know that he had three successful NHL caliber defensive forwards to emulate in Motte, Beagle and Sutter.  I'm sure Travis was clear with Gaudette what was expected or he would not have played him where he did, that Gaudette was too thick to accept the coaching is on him.  It's not like he's a can't miss prospect, he flopped in Chicago, a team in the middle of a rebuild, and the one game I saw him play with Ottawa, aside from scoring a goal, he was horrible, including contributing directly to a Vancouver goal, and being on the ice for another.

And Green lacked the intelligence and professionalism to tell him how to get to what he wanted.  Green had the same problem with Goldobin and Virtanen.  His only tool was taking away ice time when a player wasn't fitting into a system that clearly didn't work anyway.  It's hard to learn new skills when your head coach is a locker room cancer who is actively destroying your confidence.  Unfortunately  the damage Green has caused may be permanent; no one should be expected to develop under that incompetent clown.

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9 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

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10 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

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Cool look at us agreeing about something.   Like Poolman, he's not a bad add with his cap hit, you need guys like that around.   Dickinson played well enough in Dallas to earn his deal.   To me he's what a healthy Motte would also command on an open market - as in if Motte didn't have a history of getting injured.   Definitely noticed him against Vegas during Dallas's run to the final.   What i didn't get was this third line C narrative.   To me he's a very good fourth line defensive forward who can move up as needed, but C isn't his best position, same as Motte for that matter.   And great teams, have better third C's.   We do too.  EP/Miller/Horvat.   Green gave it a small chance...not enough though.   Bruce is getting them on point. 

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2 hours ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Green tried for force Gaudette into that role, because he was trying to prolong his career.  Green recognized that like Motte, Gaudette's college skillset did not translate to the NHL.  Gaudette is smart and a good skater, if he'd committed to being a Motte-like player, worked on his face offs, tried to emulate Sutter and Beagle, he could have easily had a solid ten-year NHL career as a third/fourth-line shutdown center, but the player he needs to be to make it in the league is at odds with Gaudette's self image of being a second line Horvat-like center.

Are you serious? LOL. Gaudette was clearly miscast by Green.

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