Gino Gino Gino Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) To Carolina:. Miller To Vancouver:. Kotkaniemi (negotiated long term contract that doesn't start with a 6) and Bear We get younger, fill a hole at RD, and stay deep at centre. They get an elite centre/wing at a low cap for 2 runs at the cup. They also have Drury coming to replace Kotkaniemi and Bear is stuck at 3 RD on a very deep team. Also interested what people feel would be a fair value contact for Kotkaniemi? Edited December 22, 2021 by Gino Gino Gino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2021 I would agree they do. But we can do better than that for MIller. 4 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I would agree they do. But we can do better than that for MIller. I agree, Kotkaniemi was drafted WAY too high, I don’t see him being more than a 3rd line center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Gino Gino Gino said: To Carolina:. Miller To Vancouver:. Kotkaniemi (negotiated long term contract that doesn't start with a 6) and Bear We get younger, fill a hole at RD, and stay deep at centre. They get an elite centre/wing at a low cap for 2 runs at the cup. They also have Drury coming to replace Kotkaniemi and Bear is stuck at 3 RD on a very deep team. Kotkaniemi should be a long term contract around 3 million. Carolina has set an expectation of him being paid far more than he’s really worth, as did Montreal, when they drafted him where they did. If he was already on a long term contract around 3 million, I wouldn’t mind him, but I’d hate to have to negotiate that with him after being paid north of 6 million. @Warhippyis also right, we can get a LOT more for Miller in trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 But they say Jim's just a friend... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Gino Gino Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I would agree they do. But we can do better than that for MIller. Curious as to what would you like them to add? Do you think they could get Carolina to add a 1st or 2nd? I feel Kotkaniemi has more room to grow. The recent outbreak in Carolina has given him more playing time and better linemates and he has produced 9 points in 11 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Kotkaniemi should be a long term contract around 3 million. Carolina has set an expectation of him being paid far more than he’s really worth, as did Montreal, when they drafted him where they did. If he was already on a long term contract around 3 million, I wouldn’t mind him, but I’d hate to have to negotiate that with him after being paid north of 6 million. @Warhippyis also right, we can get a LOT more for Miller in trade. the deal might allow us to shed some other salary tho, you don't need both Hamonic and Poolman if we bring Bear in. If we could send Pearson back the other way too I'd be pretty happy. Miller, Pearson for KK and Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted December 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2021 Don't take it personally but...are you nuts? Miller's a proven warrior and Kotkaniemi's a kid with less than 300 games under his belt. I say no. This is the face I make when I hear somebody talk nonsense about trading Miller. Right @bishopshodan? Tagging you in. 1 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Yeah, they've got what we need: a winning record. I agree with JR that we don't need to make any big moves right now. We have to see what we can do with what we have. We had a lot of player turnover in the off season and we haven't gelled yet (well we were just beginning to when the season got interrupted). I don't want to trade Miller at all. He's one of our best players right now. His intensity is needed. And before anyone says we have to trade him while his value is high, I say "no, we have to use our players to get some wins". We need less panic and more determination to win with our current roster. It's really not so bad. GCG! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Gino Gino Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Are you nuts? A little. I love Miller, but we are not a contending team and we should finally learn not to give a 30yo a big contract. The only way I see keeping Miller as making sense is if you feel we have a legitimate shot at the cup in the next year and a half or if he is open to a short term contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Carolina drafts well, lets steal some people from management/scouting etc... AGM: Darren Yourke AGM: Eric Tulsky Director of Hockey Ops: Aaron Schwartz Director or Pro Scouting: Mark Craig Senior Consultant: Mike Futa Amateur Scouts: Bob LucciniDon EllandDaniel EklundCody NickoletEric FinkOleg SmirnovJokke NevalainenRhys JessopIan Meagher Futa/Tulsky/Yourke for GM, they bring Scwartz or some amateur scouts with them to revamp that department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gino Gino Gino said: A little. I love Miller, but we are not a contending team and we should finally learn not to give a 30yo a big contract. The only way I see keeping Miller as making sense is if you feel we have a legitimate shot at the cup in the next year and a half or if he is open to a short term contract. For me it all boils down to July 1st 2021...Contact JT and ask what his wants are for term and $$$, if he wants near max term AND 8m plus then we have to trade that asset by next years TDL to HELP the team long term. It would be SHORTSIGHTED to keep JT and then see him join the cast of former Canucks to walk away for nothing...bringing nothing back in return, but OH WAIT, the players got to play competitive hockey!?!? Ya...PARTICIPATION ribbons don't win you a Stanley Cup sorr folks, these millionaire athletes need to figure it out without the team being CAP STRAPPED with older players on long term deals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 OP: Carolina has what we need. Me: Attractive women? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Miller for Pesce but I don't think they'd do it OEL - Pesce Hughes - Hamonic Burroughs - Myers Poolman Schenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Gino Gino Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Don't take it personally but...are you nuts? Miller's a proven warrior and Kotkaniemi's a kid with less than 30 games under his belt. I say no. He is 200 lbs, 21 yo with 200 NHL games under his belt and lots of room for growth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Note: Tags are mandatory only in the Trades, Rumours, Signings forum and in the Proposals and Armchair GM'ing forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I wouldn't mind this deal if Carolina throws in a 1st round pick. Kotkaniemi is not going to be qualified by Carolina or whichever team acquires him. You're looking at a free agent unless his agent has a backdoor deal with the Hurricanes to sign a cheap extension because of all the extra money they gave him already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 46 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Don't take it personally but...are you nuts? Miller's a proven warrior and Kotkaniemi's a kid with less than 30 games under his belt. I say no. What? Kotkaniemi’s a 21 year old who already has 200 nhl games. He’s not worth $6.1m but he’s not some scrub either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, qwijibo said: What? Kotkaniemi’s a 21 year old who already has 200 nhl games. He’s not worth $6.1m but he’s not some scrub either OK, I got bad information (I didn't think it seemed right). Knew I shouldn't have gone drinking with Alf at 5 am. (still no) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Gino Gino Gino said: He is 200 lbs, 21 yo with 200 NHL games under his belt and lots of room for growth. And along with paying a 1st and 3rd round pick, another reason it’s highly unlikely they move him. Edited December 22, 2021 by Pears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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