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Vancouver gets

Victor Rask

Carson Lambos 

2022 Wild 1st round pick 

2023 Wild  2nd round pick 

Kaapo Kahkonen

 

Minnesota gets

JT Miller 

Luke Schenn

Jaroslav Halak

Jet Woo

 

Minnesota acquires a piece they need to contend with Vegas or Colorado in the playoffs with a top 10 scorer, veteran RHD that is playoff tested, a veteran backup in Halak and RHD prospect for 2 high draft picks, Lambos a high prospect, Rask a salary cap move and Kahkonen to be backup 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Can't see either team being interested.

 

The Wild are still in a rebuild mindset - ever since he got to Minnesota, Guerin has been trying to acquire more draft picks.  He's made only one trade that was not a hockey trade and he didn't even have to give up the 7th round pick after all.  Otherwise it's only been about acquiring more picks or swapping players for others.  Can't see them giving up futures or key players/prospects for their future.


They will have 13M-15M in dead cap for the next 3 seasons - he didn't even bother to try and trade Suter or Parise and just bought them out.  Seems a bit unrealistic to think they can contend while operating 15M below the cap from other teams.  Their roster is still flawed and Guerin's mandate is to build a perennial contender -  not a one and done team.  They've done that under Fletcher and ownership is fed up of participation medals.

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13 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

We do need picks actually, particularly if we want our competitive window to last. Almost all of our top talent has graduated and our prospect pool, while having some decent prospects, is the shallowest it's been in a while. Trading for Miller/OEL/Garland, while helping the roster, has hurt our prospect pool due to our giving away back to back 1st rounders. 

 

As for whether we're trying to win, that remains to be seen. We're still chasing .500 at this point. Moving a single player out doesn't equate to a rebuild, there's no reason this roster can't still be competitive next season without Miller if we're on the outside looking in closer to the deadline.

 

Picks can also be traded for roster players, six game winning streak or not this team has holes and question marks going forward. 

No, we do not need picks if it makes the team take a step back.

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21 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

We do need picks actually, particularly if we want our competitive window to last. Almost all of our top talent has graduated and our prospect pool, while having some decent prospects, is the shallowest it's been in a while. Trading for Miller/OEL/Garland, while helping the roster, has hurt our prospect pool due to our giving away back to back 1st rounders. 

 

As for whether we're trying to win, that remains to be seen. We're still chasing .500 at this point. Moving a single player out doesn't equate to a rebuild, there's no reason this roster can't still be competitive next season without Miller if we're on the outside looking in closer to the deadline.

 

Picks can also be traded for roster players, six game winning streak or not this team has holes and question marks going forward. 

Lots have said that we have holes yet our team has looked decent in the D side. The call ups have performed, sometimes better than expected. I think the holes people refer to are because thay have been so traumitized by Green. This team has always been better than that. JB did a good job. I think we have more wins ahead of us

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Minnesota doesn't want Miller.  They are going to have massive cap problems for the next 3 years.  This year is an aberration.  They barely have cap space to re-sign Fiala and Greenway next year.

 

Like mll said they want to acquire more picks so that they can rebuild and have a young exciting roster in 3 years after their dead cap is off the books.  They will need more ELC contracts.

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7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Minnesota doesn't want Miller.  They are going to have massive cap problems for the next 3 years.  This year is an aberration.  They barely have cap space to re-sign Fiala and Greenway next year.

 

Like mll said they want to acquire more picks so that they can rebuild and have a young exciting roster in 3 years after their dead cap is off the books.  They will need more ELC contracts.

The Wild have Boldy and Rossi coming up and Rask is ufa next season at $4,000,000 and Dumba the season after at $6,000,000  so that's $10,000,000 free in just 2 players and Miller is player they want as a centre and this season they are 1st in their division and I can see Guerin going all in for the next two playoffs with Miller for a late 1st and late 2nd and Lambos while getting a proven backup in Halak for the playoffs.

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2 minutes ago, Odjick 4 Premier said:

The Wild have Boldy and Rossi coming up and Rask is ufa next season at $4,000,000 and Dumba the season after at $6,000,000  so that's $10,000,000 free in just 2 players and Miller is player they want as a centre and this season they are 1st in their division and I can see Guerin going all in for the next two playoffs with Miller for a late 1st and late 2nd and Lambos while getting a proven backup in Halak for the playoffs.

Guerin is going to go "all in" to win a cup when he has $15 million in dead cap space for the next 3 years?  I highly doubt it...

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29 minutes ago, Odjick 4 Premier said:

The Wild have Boldy and Rossi coming up and Rask is ufa next season at $4,000,000 and Dumba the season after at $6,000,000  so that's $10,000,000 free in just 2 players and Miller is player they want as a centre and this season they are 1st in their division and I can see Guerin going all in for the next two playoffs with Miller for a late 1st and late 2nd and Lambos while getting a proven backup in Halak for the playoffs.

They bought out 2 big players. That is going to catch up next year.

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1 hour ago, FaninMex said:

They bought out 2 big players. That is going to catch up next year.

Boldy and Rossi are on ELC's so they can trade Greenway in a trade in the offseason or Dumba to create cap room and Miller is a steal at $5,500,000 for this and next season to play with Kaprizov or be the 2C and play with Fiala or if Rossi plays lights out next year he can be a 3C. 

But they have over $16,000,000 in cap space this upcoming offseason so I think they will have enough to resign their RFA's and still trade for Miller as they go up against Colorado with the Wild's current centres and they will be done in 5 games.

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2 hours ago, Odjick 4 Premier said:

The Wild have Boldy and Rossi coming up and Rask is ufa next season at $4,000,000 and Dumba the season after at $6,000,000  so that's $10,000,000 free in just 2 players and Miller is player they want as a centre and this season they are 1st in their division and I can see Guerin going all in for the next two playoffs with Miller for a late 1st and late 2nd and Lambos while getting a proven backup in Halak for the playoffs.

How can they truly compete with that much dead cap space?   A lot of hockey left this season...Miller maybe if they really want him long term i suppose it's hockey and anything can happen, but it's a total JB move - one step forward, one sideways and one backwards all rolled up into one.   To afford Miller long term they'd need to move someone.  

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4 hours ago, Odjick 4 Premier said:

The Wild have Boldy and Rossi coming up and Rask is ufa next season at $4,000,000 and Dumba the season after at $6,000,000  so that's $10,000,000 free in just 2 players and Miller is player they want as a centre and this season they are 1st in their division and I can see Guerin going all in for the next two playoffs with Miller for a late 1st and late 2nd and Lambos while getting a proven backup in Halak for the playoffs.

They need to clear 8M in cap space just to account for the increase in the buyouts for Parise/Suter.  Rask is only 4M and he will also need to be replaced on the roster.  

 

Guerin doesn't believe in rushing prospects - there's no guarantee that either will make the team next season when they are still waiver free.  Neither have had a game this year either despite injuries.  Moving Dumba creates a hole in their D-corps and Addison still has a year of being waiver free.

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8 hours ago, FaninMex said:

No, we do not need picks if it makes the team take a step back.

Yes, because hockey is so black and white. If we're out of the mix come deadline time it won't matter if we're a better team with him or not, can't chase a cup if you can't make the playoffs. We ain't contenders yet anyway, as of right now we're a fringe playoff team.

 

As for trauma, sure, whatever you say. Our RD will need replacing sooner than later for one. Myers will be 32 in February, 34 by the time his deal is up. How much longer he can be a top 4D remains to be seen, and we'll need to make a decision on him sooner than later. Good luck replacing Hamonic for 3M or less, top 4D don't come that cheap. There are other cap implications and that's been beaten to death throughout other threads.

 

Trading Miller doesn't have to just make us worse either, sometimes you've got to take from a perceived strength to shore up weaknesses. If Bruce, and the rest of the roster, are as good as you think they'll survive without Miller going forward. We could very well be a more rounded team without him and make the playoffs next season. Moving him isn't committing to a rebuild.

 

We need a lot of things to go right to make it; we need to win most of our divisional games, we need to stay healthy, we need to win at a hectic pace, and we need the teams we're chasing to lose. We're a Demko or Hughes injury away from being in big trouble, odds are still against us. 

 

If we're out of it come deadline time he absolutely should be on the table. And yes, picks and futures could still help us.

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