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I like the idea of trading with New York, I even like your proposal, but can NYR make the cap work? The caveat I kept running into is that while they've currently got cap space for Miller this season they're got Fox jumping up from his ELC to his 9.5M a year deal next season. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I like the idea of trading with New York, I even like your proposal, but can NYR make the cap work? The caveat I kept running into is that while they've currently got cap space for Miller this season they're got Fox jumping up from his ELC to his 9.5M a year deal next season. 

 

 

They've got $9.8m in cap space (albeit with Panarin on IR) and hence why I suggested taking back the struggling (but young and fast) Chytil or older (but tough and expiring) Reaves.

 

Heck, they may want us to take both. To all but cancel Miller's hit. Which I'd personally be fine with.

 

Yeah, they're tight next year. Another reason cost controlled for one more year Miller might be a solid add for them. They've definitely got tough decisions in who to trade, keep etc. K'andre Miller is due a raise as well IIRC. I'd happily take him in exchange for Rathbone was well...

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I'd do this at TDL if we are out of the playoffs. I would even retain salary on Miller if it meant getting better return.

 

But would NYR do this? 

 

Schneider, Chytil, and a 1st? So essentially 3 first rounders.

 

Eichel fetched Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and 2nd. 

 

That package is arguably as good as what Eichel fetched depending on your view on Schneider vs Krebs.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

They've got $9.8m in cap space (albeit with Panarin on IR) and hence why I suggested taking back the struggling (but young and fast) Chytil or older (but tough and expiring) Reaves.

 

Heck, they may want us to take both. To all but cancel Miller's hit. Which I'd personally be fine with.

 

Yeah, they're tight next year. Another reason cost controlled for one more year Miller might be a solid add for them. They've definitely got tough decisions in who to trade, keep etc. K'andre Miller is due a raise as well IIRC. I'd happily take him in exchange for Rathbone was well...

If we could make the cap work I'd do it. 

 

I'd say they're in a better place to go for it than we are, given the age of their core and top talent. They've also gotten lucky winning multiple lotteries, and have enough prospect depth that they could afford to move some to chase a cup, which they should probably do sooner than later if they plan to at all while Panarin, Trouba, and Zibanejed are the top of their games. 

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3 minutes ago, khay said:

I'd do this at TDL if we are out of the playoffs. I would even retain salary on Miller if it meant getting better return.

 

But would NYR do this? 

 

Schneider, Chytil, and a 1st? So essentially 3 first rounders.

 

Eichel fetched Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and 2nd. 

 

That package is arguably as good as what Eichel fetched depending on your view on Schneider vs Krebs.

 

 

Depends, their core is at the age where it makes sense to go for it and they've had the luxury of winning multiple lotteries as of late. 

 

They also drafted Miller, so he's someone they'd be very familiar with and someone they might move cap out for if he wished to extend. Moving out Goodrow would probably cover a raise. 

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2 minutes ago, khay said:

I'd do this at TDL if we are out of the playoffs. I would even retain salary on Miller if it meant getting better return.

 

But would NYR do this? 

 

Schneider, Chytil, and a 1st? So essentially 3 first rounders.

 

Eichel fetched Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and 2nd. 

 

That package is arguably as good as what Eichel fetched depending on your view on Schneider vs Krebs.

 

 

Not really. Chytil has been struggling and recently healthy scratched. Schneider is not (currently) at Krebs level either. If anything, Rutherford might be able to squeeze a bit more IMO.

 

2 minutes ago, JM_ said:

So my only question @aGENT: is Schneider ready for a full time NHL job?

Who knows until you know?

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5 minutes ago, khay said:

I'd do this at TDL if we are out of the playoffs. I would even retain salary on Miller if it meant getting better return.

 

But would NYR do this? 

 

Schneider, Chytil, and a 1st? So essentially 3 first rounders.

 

Eichel fetched Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and 2nd. 

 

That package is arguably as good as what Eichel fetched depending on your view on Schneider vs Krebs.

 

 

The return for Eichel was so low because Vegas was trading for an injured Eichel who was holding out for an experimental (on NHL players) surgery with no idea on how or if he would recover and be ok for NHL contact.

 

Vegas. City of gamblers

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not really. Chytil has been struggling and recently healthy scratched. Schneider is not (currently) at Krebs level either. If anything, Rutherford might be able to squeeze a bit more IMO.

 

Who knows until you know?

I'm just wondering what you've seen. I'm just looking at the scouting stuff and it sounds like he's projected to be a strong shut down top 4. Which would be great. Just curious if he's been meeting expectations. 

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Depending on how they value Schneider (some NYR fans view him as a big part of the future of their right-side D), he could be a great centerpiece in a trade like this.

Looking at the Duchene trade (he was scoring less than Miller's current clip, btw) his return was a 1st round pick, a 3rd, Shane Bowers (a late 1st pick) and a cap dump goalie (Hammond).  I don't think it's too crazy for J.T. to get around the same (1st, Schneider, and maybe Chytil could be worth both the 3rd and be a dump of sorts if they need to free cap).  Minor point, I just don't see them trading Reaves after they got Wilson'd, they'll probably want to keep him around, but I think asset-wise it's realistic.  

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3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I'm just wondering what you've seen. I'm just looking at the scouting stuff and it sounds like he's projected to be a strong shut down top 4. Which would be great. Just curious if he's been meeting expectations. 

He's the 'type' we should be looking for. Good size, skating, RD who plays solid in his own end and a 'decent' 2 way game. His ultimate ceiling is a bit in question but he should become 'at least' a 2nd pair guy. As with all prospects though, there's always risk.

 

2 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Depending on how they value Schneider (some NYR fans view him as a big part of the future of their right-side D), he could be a great centerpiece in a trade like this.

Looking at the Duchene trade (he was scoring less than Miller's current clip, btw) his return was a 1st round pick, a 3rd, Shane Bowers (a late 1st pick) and a cap dump goalie (Hammond).  I don't think it's too crazy for J.T. to get around the same (1st, Schneider, and maybe Chytil could be worth both the 3rd and be a dump of sorts if they need to free cap).  Minor point, I just don't see them trading Reaves after they got Wilson'd, they'll probably want to keep him around, but I think asset-wise it's realistic.  

Have to keep in mind Miller also isn't expiring. They'd get at least two runs out of him. That's added value. 

 

Yeah, hard to say if they'd be willing to give up Reaves for those reasons. IMO, the value fits as you say. Either way, I'd be open to options.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

He's the 'type' we should be looking for. Good size, skating, RD who plays solid in his own end and a 'decent' 2 way game. His ultimate ceiling is a bit in question but he should become 'at least' a 2nd pair guy. As with all prospects though, there's always risk.

 

Have to keep in mind Miller also isn't expiring. They'd get at least two runs out of him. That's added value. 

 

Yeah, hard to say if they'd be willing to give up Reaves for those reasons. IMO, the value fits as you say. Either way, I'd be open to options.

well, if your idea actually happened I'd be pretty happy. We'd be selling high for once. 

 

If we could also land one of the bigger C's and a RHD in the 1st round I'd be downright giddy. 

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8 minutes ago, JM_ said:

well, if your idea actually happened I'd be pretty happy. We'd be selling high for once. 

 

If we could also land one of the bigger C's and a RHD in the 1st round I'd be downright giddy. 

I want us to get Jiricek SOOO bad.

 

Future RD of Jiricek, Schneider and Woo...yes please.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Miller to the Rangers for a package including Schneider.

 

Schneider, Chytil, and a first. Or if they balk at Chytil (who has struggled), maybe Reaves and another prospect or pick instead (they have two seconds).

 

Sign Nic Paul this summer and we're laughing.

 

Maybe move Hamonic as well (I'm getting tired of his spotty availability and his vaccine heel dragging etc) and replace him, short term, with Lyubushkin this summer if they don't think Schneider will be ready. Sign McNabb or similar to play 3LD this summer.

 

Next year:

Hoglander, Horvat, Boeser

Podkolzin, Pettersson, Garland

Pearson, Paul, Chytil/Dickinson

Motte, Lammiko, Dickinson/Jasek/Focht/Lockwood etc

 

OEL, Myers

Hughes, Schneider (Lyubushkin/Hamonic if not ready)

McNabb, Poolman

 

Rathbone, Schenn, Juulsen, Woo etc as depth.

 

Hopefully draft Jiricek this summer too.

You left out the key question.  When?

 

If you want to do this this year forget about it.

 

At the TDL in '23 if Miller has said he wants to leave maybe.  But this year this makes zero sense except for the same 3 guys on CDC who keep saying trade Miller over and over again.  Lol/

 

 

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This is the type of deal we should be looking for if we fall off and can trade Miller by the deadline.

 

The New York 1st rounder is likely to be late in the round so it isn’t unreasonable  to ask for two really solid young players/prospects in return.

 

If anything I think there are enough question marks around those two players that we could extract a little more.  Somehow add a pieces going either way for K’Andre Miller.

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If we could swing this it'd help us sooner than if we were to trade him next deadline too. Having players like Schneider, ect being able to step right in and acclimatize, there's no reason we couldn't compete for the playoffs next season.

 

These next eleven games are full of tough opponents, January and February are tough schedules in general. If we're out of it, and there's a good chance we are, Miller absolutely should be on the table. 

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1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:

You left out the key question.  When?

 

If you want to do this this year forget about it.

 

At the TDL in '23 if Miller has said he wants to leave maybe.  But this year this makes zero sense except for the same 3 guys on CDC who keep saying trade Miller over and over again.  Lol/

 

 

If we're out of the playoffs at the TDL, absolutely this year. 

 

I also highly doubt we'd wait until next TDL either. If we're in the playoffs at the TDL next month, find out what his intentions are regarding an extension that works for the Canucks this summer. More than $7m and 4 or 5 years and you move him in the summer, you don't make that move mid next year with the team battling for the playoffs.

 

1 hour ago, Provost said:

This is the type of deal we should be looking for if we fall off and can trade Miller by the deadline.

 

The New York 1st rounder is likely to be late in the round so it isn’t unreasonable  to ask for two really solid young players/prospects in return.

 

If anything I think there are enough question marks around those two players that we could extract a little more.  Somehow add a pieces going either way for K’Andre Miller.

Rathbone- K'andre Miller swap? I totally would.

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I wonder if the Rags would part with both Schneider and Lundkvist. They have Fox and Trouba on the right side, a younger equivalent to OEL/Hughes on the left side for us. 
 

We likely wouldn’t be getting a 1st back, more likely a 2nd. I reckon we’d be sending a veteran RD back. 
 

With Lundkvist and Schneider added to the right side we’d have Lundkvist, Schneider and  Woo there moving forward. It would put us in a much better position for succession with our D-core moving forward. 
 

I am entertaining this because D take a while to develop after the draft and both Schneider and Lundkvist are two good RD prospects just starting out pro hockey in NA. It might better align for us when we try to become a contender. 

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5 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I wonder if the Rags would part with both Schneider and Lundkvist. They have Fox and Trouba on the right side, a younger equivalent to OEL/Hughes on the left side for us. 
 

We likely wouldn’t be getting a 1st back, more likely a 2nd. I reckon we’d be sending a veteran RD back. 
 

With Lundkvist and Schneider added to the right side we’d have Lundkvist, Schneider and  Woo there moving forward. It would put us in a much better position for succession with our D-core moving forward. 
 

I am entertaining this because D take a while to develop after the draft and both Schneider and Lundkvist are two good RD prospects just starting out pro hockey in NA. It might better align for us when we try to become a contender. 

It'd also align with JR wanting to get younger in trades, building around the young core, and likely line up with where he thinks we are in our competitive cycle 

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