CanucksCountry Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Well first off i know this won't be a popular choice by many but i really think despite his struggles this year Klingberg would be an extraordinary piece to add and the Canucks should Jump all over it depending on the cost Year 1 To Dallas: Van 2022 1st Round pick (top 10 protected) Van 2023 3rd Round pick Van 2022 4th Round pick Jack Rathbone Tavis Hamonic Tucker Poolman To Vancouver: John Klingberg Why Dallas does this. Well it's no secret Klingberg want's out now. They get a 1st round pick and one of the better Defensive prospects in the league for a guy that is going to walk. While also getting 2 serviceable NHL dman who can be flipped for even better assets with a bit of money retained to help further their rebuild a guy like Hamonic at 50% retained could easily get a 2nd round pick from a contending nhl team. Why Vancouver does this. While i know people are going to get upset with us trading another 1st round pick but the reality of it is this team is in win now mode any guy we draft won't be making an impact with the team for at least 2+ years. But Vancouver get's a legit top 4 RHD who has still has a good 4 years of good hockey ahead of him. Klingberg biggest strength is his transition game which would absolutely suit our run and gun based team. Klingberg is a legit top 4 dman on 90% of the Leagues d-cores and his value is at an all time low. This trade of course is with a new Deal in place for Klingberg which would be 4years X 6.5Million To Vegas: Van 2023 4th Round Pick To Van: Brayden McNabb VGK 2022 3rd Round pick Why Vegas does this McNabb is a cup dump as they are desperate to move money out they move down a few draft spots to be able to do so Why Vancouver does this Vancouver Gets a Legit 3rd paring hard hitting defensively responsible nhl LHD. To Seattle WPG 2022 3rd Pick To Vancouver Mason Appleton Why Seattle does this. Seattle acquires more picks on a RFA to help them rebuild Why Vancouver does this. Vancouver get's a legit fast Bottom 6 winger To Arizona Van 2022 5th round pick To Vancouver Riley Nash Why Arizona does this. the Coyotes get a free pick for a guy that they claimed on waivers that won't re-sign there Why Vancouver does this. They get a Defensive RH Centreman How do we afford it? Now I know you are going to ask yourself how can we fit this into our cap? well trading Poolman and Hamonic creates 5.5 million with still 1.5 million of cap space. Next year we still have enough Money to sign Boeser at his QO of 7.5 Million while brining up DiPietro and Re-singing McNabb for about 1.5Million. in Year 3 if you trade Pearson we are able to Sign Miller for 7.5 Horvat for 7 and Hoglander for 3 plus cheap Depth guys to fill out our roster Year 3 Trade To Seattle Tanner Pearson Van 2023 3rd Round pick To Van SEA 2023 2nd Round pick Why Seattle Does this they get a good top 9 vet to help with the kids with one year left on his deal Why Van does this to make room for other guys signings Contracts Year 1 Klingberg 4 Years X 6.5 Million Tyler Motte 3 Years X 1.5 Million Mason Appleton 3 Years X 1.10 Million Cap Used 80.3 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 2 Michael DiPietro 3 X 925 Thousand Brock Boeser 7 Years X 7.5 Million Cap Used 81.4 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 3 J.T Miller 6 Years x 7.5 Million Bo Horvat 8 Years x 7.0 Million Nils Hoglander 3 Years x 3 Million Cap Used 81.45 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 1 line up Garland - Pettersson - Boeser Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin Dickinson - Horvat - Pearson Motte - Nash - Appleton Hughes - Klingberg OEL - Myers McNabb - Schenn Demko Halak Year 3 line up Garland - Pettersson - Boeser Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin Dickinson - Horvat - Klimovich Motte - Nash - Appleton Hughes - Klingberg OEL - Myers McNabb - Schenn Demko DiPietro 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fanuck Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, CanucksCountry said: While i know people are going to get upset with us trading another 1st round pick but the reality of it is this team is in win now mode This team is nowhere near 'win-now' mode. In fact it's arguable we could still be 'retooling' for some time yet. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 OR we could just wait until the off-season, and make a pitch for him then. If Dallas talks haven't worked out, money is probably the issue. It usually comes down to that. Maybe term but guaranteed money. Dallas has the luxury of low taxes ... 36.4% compared to our NDP driven 53%... 6.5 there is like a 1.3 million difference take home pay. Personally this is a JB move...and no thanks. We need our picks. Rutherford already said they wouldn't be trading futures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 lol this team is in a win now?? we are a fringe playoff team at best.. and keep dreaming miller with sign for 7.5 on a 6 years when all his comparables are all at 8.5+ for 8 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 You put a lot of time and thought into this. Win now????? You simultaneously made the team worse now and in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Guest Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 That ain't nothin'. That's the way you do it. Spend money on nothin' Take our picks for free That ain't nothin.' That's the way you do it. Go drunken sailor cause he's RHD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Thankfully OP doesn't handle the team's negotiations. If the asset (Klingberg in this case) wants out, there's no reason for us to empty our assets to acquire him at the deadline, where if anything prices get heightened. Let's just use Klingberg's and OEL's (and hopefully the Sedins') good relationship as leverage and convince him to sign in the summer (after we dump Poolman and/ or Hamonic). Trading an asset for Nash who was on waivers and could've been had for free is terrible asset management. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, IBatch said: OR we could just wait until the off-season, and make a pitch for him then. If Dallas talks haven't worked out, money is probably the issue. It usually comes down to that. Maybe term but guaranteed money. Dallas has the luxury of low taxes ... 36.4% compared to our NDP driven 53%... 6.5 there is like a 1.3 million difference take home pay. Personally this is a JB move...and no thanks. We need our picks. Rutherford already said they wouldn't be trading futures. Ya, this makes no sense for us since he isn't particularly useful for us to get just for a season where we aren't likely to make the playoffs. Klingberg and OEL are frieds, I linked a prank OEL played on him in another thread where he filled his hotel room with balloons. I am sure they will talk and we can get a chance at Klingberg if we want him. I drool over the idea of getting Carlo back in a Miller to Boston trade to partner with Hughes and then adding Klingberg to partner with OEL. That is a high end top 4 that would be set for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: This team is nowhere near 'win-now' mode. In fact it's arguable we could still be 'retooling' for some time yet. not sure... if we had even an average right handed 3C and one more legit top 4 right handed d I think we would be. In large part thanks to Demko. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Provost said: Ya, this makes no sense for us since he isn't particularly useful for us to get just for a season where we aren't likely to make the playoffs. Klingberg and OEL are frieds, I linked a prank OEL played on him in another thread where he filled his hotel room with balloons. I am sure they will talk and we can get a chance at Klingberg if we want him. I drool over the idea of getting Carlo back in a Miller to Boston trade to partner with Hughes and then adding Klingberg to partner with OEL. That is a high end top 4 that would be set for years. would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JM_ said: would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1? Nope. Carlo is solid, and his contract is spectacular value through his prime... but Miller is currently a top 10 scoring forward in the league on a cheap contract who will help any contending team go farther in the playoffs. They add a 1st and a prospect, we add in Poolman or Hamonic. That way they get a lesser replacement for help in the short term for Carlo.. and we get younger and add some cap space. Their 1st is likely going to be right at the end of the 1st round as they are real contenders when you add Miller to their lineup. You are looking at just a 25% chance of getting an NHLer with that pick... we could actually use it as currency before the draft to fill another hole for more help. Those moves advance our competitive window from a couple years ago to starting next year. Edited January 8, 2022 by Provost 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Provost said: Nope. Carlo is solid, and his contract is spectacular value through his prime... but Miller is currently a top 10 scoring forward in the league on a cheap contract who will help any contending team go farther in the playoffs. They add a 1st and a prospect, we add in Poolman or Hamonic. That way they get a lesser replacement for help in the short term for Carlo.. and we get younger and add some cap space. Their 1st is likely going to be right at the end of the 1st round as they are real contenders when you add Miller to their lineup. You are looking at just a 25% chance of getting an NHLer with that pick... we could actually use it as currency before the draft to fill another hole for more help. Those moves advance our competitive window from a couple years ago to starting next year. I'd be OK with that deal, as much as I'd hate helping Boston. I'd prefer to send them Poolman in that deal. It would give them two very hard to play against lines so its possible. I'd love to know which GMs called Rutherford when he was hired to make sure they are on our list. I'd guess Boston is one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Klingberg is not what we need, especially with the salary he'll command. Hughes, OEL and to a lesser extent Myers all play that role, and Rathbone will also before too long. We need D that can complement and support those guys, not duplicate them. And I won't even comment on the assets this proposal would waste to rent the guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 56 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Thankfully OP doesn't handle the team's negotiations. If the asset (Klingberg in this case) wants out, there's no reason for us to empty our assets to acquire him at the deadline, where if anything prices get heightened. Let's just use Klingberg's and OEL's (and hopefully the Sedins') good relationship as leverage and convince him to sign in the summer (after we dump Poolman and/ or Hamonic). Trading an asset for Nash who was on waivers and could've been had for free is terrible asset management. Why dump Poolman? He's been solid for 2.5m? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JM_ Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, hammertime said: Why dump Poolman? He's been solid for 2.5m? just for the cap flexibility more than anything. We will - hopefully - start having some ELCs come up before his deal is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) That's too much for a pending UFA in Klingberg, at least for us. We're a win now team? Nah, we're a fringe playoff team looking to beat the odds, don't get it twisted. He's an RD, but he's not even someone I'd want via UFA, he's the wrong kind of RD at the wrong age. We already have an offensive engine in Hughes. There's also the matter of JR wanting to get younger in trades and not wanting to trade picks. Klingberg is going to want a raise on the bargain deal he gave Dallas and this will likely be his last chance to cash in. Edited January 8, 2022 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Klingberg is not the droid we are looking for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, JM_ said: would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1? Actually yes I think...... Carlo would really be an Ideal partner for Hughes and signed long term @4.1m would go a long way towards signing Bo and Brock if that were the direction the team wanted to go. Edited January 8, 2022 by hammertime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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