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[Proposal] Klingberg 3 year Plan


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Well first off i know this won't be a popular choice by many but i really think despite his struggles this year Klingberg would be an extraordinary piece to add and the Canucks should Jump all over it depending on the cost 

 

Year 1

 

To Dallas: 

Van 2022 1st Round pick (top 10 protected) 

Van 2023 3rd Round pick

Van 2022 4th Round pick

Jack Rathbone 

Tavis Hamonic 

Tucker Poolman 

 

To Vancouver:

John Klingberg

 

Why Dallas does this. Well it's no secret Klingberg want's out now. They get a 1st round pick and one of the better Defensive prospects in the league for a guy that is going to walk. While also getting 2 serviceable NHL dman who can be flipped for even better assets with a bit of money retained to help further their rebuild a guy like Hamonic at 50% retained could easily get a 2nd round pick from a contending nhl team. 

 

Why Vancouver does this. While i know people are going to get upset with us trading another 1st round pick but the reality of it is this team is in win now mode any guy we draft won't be making an impact with the team for at least 2+ years. But Vancouver get's a legit top 4 RHD who has still has a good 4 years of good hockey ahead of him. Klingberg biggest strength is his transition game which would absolutely suit our run and gun based team. Klingberg is a legit top 4 dman on 90% of the Leagues d-cores and his value is at an all time low. This trade of course is with a new Deal in place for Klingberg which would be 4years X 6.5Million

 

 

 

To Vegas:

Van 2023 4th Round Pick

 

To Van:

Brayden McNabb 

VGK 2022 3rd Round pick 

 

Why Vegas does this McNabb is a cup dump as they are desperate to move money out they move down a few draft spots to be able to do so 

 

Why Vancouver does this Vancouver Gets a Legit 3rd paring hard hitting defensively responsible nhl LHD.

 

To Seattle 

WPG 2022 3rd Pick 

 

To Vancouver

Mason Appleton

 

Why Seattle does this. Seattle acquires more picks on a RFA to help them rebuild

 

Why Vancouver does this. Vancouver get's a  legit fast Bottom 6 winger 

 

To Arizona 

Van 2022 5th round pick 

 

To Vancouver 

Riley Nash 

 

Why Arizona does this. the Coyotes get a free pick for a guy that they claimed on waivers that won't re-sign there

 

Why Vancouver does this. They get a Defensive RH Centreman 

 

How do we afford it? 

Now I know you are going to ask yourself how can we fit this into our cap? well trading Poolman and Hamonic creates 5.5 million with still 1.5 million of cap space. Next year we still have enough Money to sign Boeser at his QO of 7.5 Million while brining up DiPietro and Re-singing McNabb for about 1.5Million. in Year 3 if you trade Pearson we are able to Sign Miller for 7.5 Horvat for 7 and Hoglander for 3 plus cheap Depth guys to fill out our roster 

  

Year 3 Trade

 

To Seattle 

Tanner Pearson 

Van 2023 3rd Round pick

 

To Van

SEA 2023 2nd Round pick

 

Why Seattle Does this they get a good top 9 vet to help with the kids with one year left on his deal 

Why Van does this to make room for other guys signings

 

 

Contracts

Year 1

Klingberg 4 Years X 6.5 Million

Tyler Motte 3 Years X 1.5 Million

Mason Appleton 3 Years X 1.10 Million

Cap Used 80.3 Million out of 81.5 Million

 

Year 2

Michael DiPietro 3 X 925 Thousand

Brock Boeser 7 Years X 7.5 Million

Cap Used 81.4 Million out of 81.5 Million

 

Year 3

J.T Miller 6 Years x 7.5 Million

Bo Horvat 8 Years x 7.0 Million

Nils Hoglander 3 Years x 3 Million

Cap Used 81.45 Million out of 81.5 Million

 

 

Year 1 line up 

Garland - Pettersson - Boeser

Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin 

Dickinson - Horvat - Pearson

Motte - Nash - Appleton

 

Hughes - Klingberg 

OEL - Myers

McNabb - Schenn

 

Demko

Halak

 

Year 3 line up

Garland - Pettersson - Boeser

Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin 

Dickinson - Horvat - Klimovich 

Motte - Nash - Appleton

 

Hughes - Klingberg 

OEL - Myers

McNabb - Schenn

Demko 

DiPietro 

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1 hour ago, CanucksCountry said:

 While i know people are going to get upset with us trading another 1st round pick but the reality of it is this team is in win now mode

This team is nowhere near 'win-now' mode.  In fact it's arguable we could still be 'retooling' for some time yet.  

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OR we could just wait until the off-season, and make a pitch for him then.  

 

If Dallas talks haven't worked out, money is probably the issue.   It usually comes down to that.    Maybe term but guaranteed money.   Dallas has the luxury of low taxes ... 36.4% compared to our NDP driven 53%... 6.5 there is like  a 1.3 million difference take home pay.    

 

Personally this is a JB move...and no thanks.   We need our picks.  Rutherford already said they wouldn't be trading futures.  

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Thankfully OP doesn't handle the team's negotiations.  If the asset (Klingberg in this case) wants out, there's no reason for us to empty our assets to acquire him at the deadline, where if anything prices get heightened.  Let's just use Klingberg's and OEL's (and hopefully the Sedins') good relationship as leverage and convince him to sign in the summer (after we dump Poolman and/ or Hamonic).  Trading an asset for Nash who was on waivers and could've been had for free is terrible asset management.

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

OR we could just wait until the off-season, and make a pitch for him then.  

 

If Dallas talks haven't worked out, money is probably the issue.   It usually comes down to that.    Maybe term but guaranteed money.   Dallas has the luxury of low taxes ... 36.4% compared to our NDP driven 53%... 6.5 there is like  a 1.3 million difference take home pay.    

 

Personally this is a JB move...and no thanks.   We need our picks.  Rutherford already said they wouldn't be trading futures.  

Ya, this makes no sense for us since he isn't particularly useful for us to get just for a season where we aren't likely to make the playoffs.

Klingberg and OEL are frieds, I linked a prank OEL played on him in another thread where he filled his hotel room with balloons.  I am sure they will talk and we can get a chance at Klingberg if we want him.

I drool over the idea of getting Carlo back in a Miller to Boston trade to partner with Hughes and then adding Klingberg to partner with OEL.  That is a high end top 4 that would be set for years.

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2 hours ago, Fanuck said:

This team is nowhere near 'win-now' mode.  In fact it's arguable we could still be 'retooling' for some time yet.  

not sure... if we had even an average right handed 3C and one more legit top 4 right handed d I think we would be. In large part thanks to Demko. 

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10 minutes ago, Provost said:

Ya, this makes no sense for us since he isn't particularly useful for us to get just for a season where we aren't likely to make the playoffs.

Klingberg and OEL are frieds, I linked a prank OEL played on him in another thread where he filled his hotel room with balloons.  I am sure they will talk and we can get a chance at Klingberg if we want him.

I drool over the idea of getting Carlo back in a Miller to Boston trade to partner with Hughes and then adding Klingberg to partner with OEL.  That is a high end top 4 that would be set for years.

would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1?

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7 minutes ago, JM_ said:

would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1?

Nope. 

Carlo is solid, and his contract is spectacular value through his prime... but  Miller is currently a top 10 scoring forward in the league on a cheap contract who will help any contending team go farther in the playoffs.

They add a 1st and a prospect, we add in Poolman or Hamonic.  That way they get a lesser replacement for help in the short term for Carlo.. and we get younger and add some cap space.  Their 1st is likely going to be right at the end of the 1st round as they are real contenders when you add Miller to their lineup.  You are looking at just a 25% chance of getting an NHLer with that pick... we could actually use it as currency before the draft to fill another hole for more help.  Those moves advance our competitive window from a couple years ago to starting next year.

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1 minute ago, Provost said:

Nope. 

Carlo is solid, and his contract is spectacular value through his prime... but  Miller is currently a top 10 scoring forward in the league on a cheap contract who will help any contending team go farther in the playoffs.

They add a 1st and a prospect, we add in Poolman or Hamonic.  That way they get a lesser replacement for help in the short term for Carlo.. and we get younger and add some cap space.  Their 1st is likely going to be right at the end of the 1st round as they are real contenders when you add Miller to their lineup.  You are looking at just a 25% chance of getting an NHLer with that pick... we could actually use it as currency before the draft to fill another hole for more help.  Those moves advance our competitive window from a couple years ago to starting next year.

I'd be OK with that deal, as much as I'd hate helping Boston. I'd prefer to send them Poolman in that deal. 

 

It would give them two very hard to play against lines so its possible. I'd love to know which GMs called Rutherford when he was hired to make sure they are on our list. I'd guess Boston is one of them. 

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Klingberg is not what we need, especially with the salary he'll command.  Hughes, OEL and to a lesser extent Myers all play that role, and Rathbone will also before too long.  We need D that can complement and support those guys, not duplicate them.  And I won't even comment on the assets this proposal would waste to rent the guy.

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56 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Thankfully OP doesn't handle the team's negotiations.  If the asset (Klingberg in this case) wants out, there's no reason for us to empty our assets to acquire him at the deadline, where if anything prices get heightened.  Let's just use Klingberg's and OEL's (and hopefully the Sedins') good relationship as leverage and convince him to sign in the summer (after we dump Poolman and/ or Hamonic).  Trading an asset for Nash who was on waivers and could've been had for free is terrible asset management.

Why dump Poolman? He's been solid for 2.5m?  

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That's too much for a pending UFA in Klingberg, at least for us. We're a win now team? Nah, we're a fringe playoff team looking to beat the odds, don't get it twisted.

 

He's an RD, but he's not even someone I'd want via UFA, he's the wrong kind of RD at the wrong age. We already have an offensive engine in Hughes. There's also the matter of JR wanting to get younger in trades and not wanting to trade picks. 

 

Klingberg is going to want a raise on the bargain deal he gave Dallas and this will likely be his last chance to cash in.

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5 hours ago, JM_ said:

would you be satisfied with Miller for Carlo 1:1?

Actually yes I think......

 

Carlo would really be an Ideal partner for Hughes and signed long term @4.1m would go a long way towards signing Bo and Brock if that were the direction the team wanted to go. 

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