[Rumour] Arizona looking to still move Chychrun, Kessel and Crouse?

[MikeBossy]

Saw this on Sportsnet:

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/trade-market-intensifying-coyotes-jakob-chychrun/

 

The trade market for Arizona Coyotes defenceman Jakob Chychrun is heating up, with interest being shown by almost one-third of the league.

"I can confirm that at least 10 teams in the NHL have made enquiries about Jakob Chychrun," Sportsnet's Jeff Marek said during the 32 Thoughts segment on Hockey Night in Canada. "A couple of offers have given the Coyotes cause for pause."

Marek compared the return being sought by the Coyotes to be similar to that of when big puck-mover Brent Burns was traded by the Minnesota Wild in 2011 for Devin Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and a (2012) first-round pick.

"So what the Coyotes are looking for is a young player, a high-end prospect plus a first-round pick," Marek said. "Teams we believe who have the assets and could do that and might be interested include the Los Angeles Kings, the St. Louis Blues and certainly the Anaheim Ducks, who might be losing Hampus Lindholm to unrestricted free agency at the end of the season."

The puck-moving Chychrun, the 16th-overall pick in 2016, is highly sought after because he's predicted as having a dynamic upside if he were on a good team, is only 23 years old and is signed through 2024-25 with a bargain cap hit of $4.6 million.

This season, while playing on the perennially rebuilding Coyotes, Chychrun has two goals and five assists for seven points in 26 games, but is also an atrocious minus-29.

Marek added that there has also been interest shown in Coyotes scorer Phil Kessel and 2015 first-round winger Lawson Crouse, the latter of whom is being sought by Boston.

The trade deadline is March 21.

 

Anyone else think we should be making a move for Crouse? Big kid who can score.

[Phil_314]

Crouse would be great as an add, but with what cap space?  He's having a breakout season and is an RFA.

[Kuzy]

I wouldn't mind Crouse, but where does he fit and what do we give up? He's having a career year, more than doubling his points-per-game average from last year so far. Arizona would likely want a high pick and a good prospect, otherwise I could see them keeping him.

 

Based off what we may be able to part with without affecting our team dynamic too much, I could see something like Motte and a 2nd? Pearson and a 3rd? For prospects, Karlsson or Lockwood? Pass otherwise.

Edited January 9, 2022 by Stech
added a couple suggestions

[Quantum]

We already gave a lot of assets to get Garland and Ekman-Larsson. If Benning was smarter, he'd have tried to get Chychrun instead of Ekman-Larsson for the assets he gave the Coyotes... especially since OEL basically only gave the Coyotes 2 teams to negotiate with (us and the Bruins).

 

I don't see Rutherford making runs for these guys. I think he's going to be more of a seller than people realize. Our defense needs a major reno as does our bottom six. He'll make deals and they'll be fast and furious when they start.

Edited January 9, 2022 by Quantum

[mll]

10 minutes ago, Stech said:

I wouldn't mind Crouse, but where does he fit and what do we give up? He's having a career year, more than doubling his points-per-game average from last year so far. Arizona would likely want a high pick and a good prospect, otherwise I could see them keeping him.

 

Based off what we may be able to part with without affecting our team dynamic too much, I could see something like Motte and a 2nd? Pearson and a 3rd? Pass otherwise.

Arizona are in a full tear down rebuild as confirmed by Armstrong to LeBrun.  They likely aren't going to help teams clear cap space without some kind of futures in return.

 

There's the cost for Crouse + the cost to take cap back if Pearson is part of the deal.  Motte is an upcoming UFA and could probably be moved further, but Pearson has an NTC for this season so would need to waive and a limited NTC that travels with the team for next season.

 

Edited January 9, 2022 by mll

[Coconuts]

6 minutes ago, Quantum said:

We already gave a lot of assets to get Garland and Ekman-Larsson. If Benning was smarter, he'd have tried to get Chychrun instead of Ekman-Larsson for the assets he gave the Coyotes... especially since OEL basically only gave the Coyotes 2 teams to negotiate with (us and the Bruins).

 

I don't see Rutherford making runs for these guys. I think he's going to be more of a seller than people realize. Our defense needs a major reno as does our bottom six. He'll make deals and they'll be fast and furious when they start.

Rutherford wants to get younger if he's making trades, but he also doesn't want to trade picks. If we make moves we're probably moving out players, and not the younger ones either. 

 

Particularly if we're not as locked in to the playoff race as he might like. 

[mll]

14 minutes ago, Quantum said:

We already gave a lot of assets to get Garland and Ekman-Larsson. If Benning was smarter, he'd have tried to get Chychrun instead of Ekman-Larsson for the assets he gave the Coyotes... especially since OEL basically only gave the Coyotes 2 teams to negotiate with (us and the Bruins).

 

I don't see Rutherford making runs for these guys. I think he's going to be more of a seller than people realize. Our defense needs a major reno as does our bottom six. He'll make deals and they'll be fast and furious when they start.

Chychrun was an untouchable till recently.  He was never available when Benning made the trade.  Arizona were looking to move OEL - ownership didn't want to pay his contract anymore and things were tensed with Tocchet.  

[khay]

56 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

Saw this on Sportsnet:

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/trade-market-intensifying-coyotes-jakob-chychrun/

 

The trade market for Arizona Coyotes defenceman Jakob Chychrun is heating up, with interest being shown by almost one-third of the league.

"I can confirm that at least 10 teams in the NHL have made enquiries about Jakob Chychrun," Sportsnet's Jeff Marek said during the 32 Thoughts segment on Hockey Night in Canada. "A couple of offers have given the Coyotes cause for pause."

Marek compared the return being sought by the Coyotes to be similar to that of when big puck-mover Brent Burns was traded by the Minnesota Wild in 2011 for Devin Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and a (2012) first-round pick.

"So what the Coyotes are looking for is a young player, a high-end prospect plus a first-round pick," Marek said. "Teams we believe who have the assets and could do that and might be interested include the Los Angeles Kings, the St. Louis Blues and certainly the Anaheim Ducks, who might be losing Hampus Lindholm to unrestricted free agency at the end of the season."

The puck-moving Chychrun, the 16th-overall pick in 2016, is highly sought after because he's predicted as having a dynamic upside if he were on a good team, is only 23 years old and is signed through 2024-25 with a bargain cap hit of $4.6 million.

This season, while playing on the perennially rebuilding Coyotes, Chychrun has two goals and five assists for seven points in 26 games, but is also an atrocious minus-29.

Marek added that there has also been interest shown in Coyotes scorer Phil Kessel and 2015 first-round winger Lawson Crouse, the latter of whom is being sought by Boston.

The trade deadline is March 21.

 

Anyone else think we should be making a move for Crouse? Big kid who can score.

How good is Course? Haven't really tracked his progress since I never bother to watch Arizona games.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

I'd go after Lawson Crouse.  Big boy who can drop the gloves as well.  He's having a good year and would fit well into our top 9.

 

Arizona wants picks and prospects.  If Pearson waives his NTC then I'd try and do a deal involving Pearson.  Could be expensive though as Pearson has term on his contract.  Alternatively, we could move Motte as he is a UFA, so Arizona would clear his cap next year.  The cap hits are almost identical so it's a question of what we would need to add in the deal.  

 

Another way to do it is to trade Motte for a 2nd to a contender and then flip the 2nd plus a prospect for Crouse.  Arizona is most likely going to move Chychrun so they will need Dmen.  Rathbone plus the 2nd we get for Motte could do it.

 

Edit:  Looks like Crouse is already in his 6th year, so he may be looking at a big ticket in the summer or take a one year and go to UFA.  So maybe it's not a great idea to trade for him. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Elias Pettersson

[Ghostsof1915]

Move to Houston already. 

[Alflives]

We already stole the Coyote’s two best players.  Chychscrub couldn't even make our team.  Guy is craperolla. 

[coryberg]

5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Arizona wants picks and prospects.  If Pearson waives his NTC then I'd try and do a deal involving Pearson.  

[Neutral]

Motte as part of a deal for Crouse is quite funny to read...Would take a 1st round pick or good prospect and a 2nd to get him probably. Canucks ain't in a spot to go after younger good players with our recent dumping of high picks, we need to keep picks and try to draft and develop our own Crouse/Chychrun type players in my opinion

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said:

Motte as part of a deal for Crouse is quite funny to read...Would take a 1st round pick or good prospect and a 2nd to get him probably. Canucks ain't in a spot to go after younger good players with our recent dumping of high picks, we need to keep picks and try to draft and develop our own Crouse/Chychrun type players in my opinion

For Crouse?  Guy is craperolla.  

[StanleyCupOneDay]

8 hours ago, Quantum said:

We already gave a lot of assets to get Garland and Ekman-Larsson. If Benning was smarter, he'd have tried to get Chychrun instead of Ekman-Larsson for the assets he gave the Coyotes... especially since OEL basically only gave the Coyotes 2 teams to negotiate with (us and the Bruins).

 

I don't see Rutherford making runs for these guys. I think he's going to be more of a seller than people realize. Our defense needs a major reno as does our bottom six. He'll make deals and they'll be fast and furious when they start.

A 1st round draft pick and a 2nd round draft pick to get a top 4 D and top 6 F (Garland is ranked 146th in the NHL for points per game) is no where close to being a lot of assets given up. In fact, it’s a bargain. You have to pay that much for a top 4 D or top 6 F on their own easily. Hell, some teams pay that much for a playoff rental of that caliber. We got both for only the cost of 1. Benning did a fantastic job with this trade, it was one of his best ever and he deserves credit for pulling the trigger.

 

We’re not even talking about sniffing the playoffs without those two guys on our team.

[NUCKER67]

Benning traded the last two year's first round picks, plus lost Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Gadjovich, Lind and MacEwen.  The prospect pool is pretty sad again.

 

I believe Rutherford wants draft picks and young players, but he also wants to make the playoffs every year. Tough job ahead. Can't do that with a soft roster, though, so I'm thinking he may trade out the less physical, if you will. (guys that may not be built for playoffs, and who haven't been producing like they should).  

 

Pettersson

Hoglander

Rathbone

Highmore and/or Motte

 

They're going to have to make some really tough decisions, but it'll be what's best for the team. 

 

[grandmaster]

9 hours ago, Quantum said:

We already gave a lot of assets to get Garland and Ekman-Larsson. If Benning was smarter, he'd have tried to get Chychrun instead of Ekman-Larsson for the assets he gave the Coyotes... especially since OEL basically only gave the Coyotes 2 teams to negotiate with (us and the Bruins).

 

I don't see Rutherford making runs for these guys. I think he's going to be more of a seller than people realize. Our defense needs a major reno as does our bottom six. He'll make deals and they'll be fast and furious when they start.

You are so wrong.
 

The Coyotes would never have given up their young best forward AND their best young defenceman for the garbage we sent them! 
 

Thankfully OEL has shown he is still a good defenceman and Garland a very good forward. This was a fantastic trade. Benning did well here.

[grandmaster]

6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Benning traded the last two year's first round picks, plus lost Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Gadjovich, Lind and MacEwen.  The prospect pool is pretty sad again.

 

I believe Rutherford wants draft picks and young players, but he also wants to make the playoffs every year. Tough job ahead. Can't do that with a soft roster, though, so I'm thinking he may trade out the less physical, if you will. (guys that may not be built for playoffs, and who haven't been producing like they should).  

 

Pettersson

Hoglander

Rathbone

Highmore and/or Motte

 

They're going to have to make some really tough decisions, but it'll be what's best for the team. 

 

The prospect pool you mentioned are not anything special.

 

The 2 firsts we traded were excellent trades. None of that is sad.

 

I would trade for Miller, Garland and OEL for two firsts over and over again!

[Me_]

Hey now not too many ex-Coyotes players on our Canucks.

 

OEL and Garland are awesome. But there are 30 other teams which may be better suited for asset exchange with the Canucks.

 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Me_

[EternalCanuckFan]

Crouse would be an intriguing add but in terms of roster composition, hard to see where he fits.  Given Dickinson's use as a winger so far, if ARI likes him then maybe there could be a deal involving Dickinson for Crouse? I strongly doubt 1-for-1 would enough to pique Arizona's interest.  Also, my recollection is that Crouse, while a good skater for his size, isn't as good a skater as Dickinson and is less versatile positionally (although he does play PK and PP).  He's going to be due a fair pay raise as well if he continues his scoring pace for the remainder of the season.

 

My guess is Crouse gets traded to a contender with expiring contracts this summer for futures.  I would be surprised if a team was willing to give up a 1st for Crouse, but if he keeps up his scoring pace, then his acquisition cost might rise to that level - true power forwards with a scoring touch are still very rare.