Halak and Chiasson for Edmonton's 2022-1st (Proposal)

[Coconuts]

I like your moxy, but that's not what you spend a 1st on

 

If they're moving put picks they probs pay Arizona a 1st to take Keith and then maybe a 2nd for a goaltender

 

But then they'd still have to replace Keith, but it's not a high bar anymore 

[Odd.]

4 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Koskinen is an ECHL quality goalie.  Even at 50% retained,  I don't want that sieve to ever wear a Canucks jersey.

Koskinen is quite possibly one of the worst NHL goaltenders I’ve seen since Toskala

[Rick Blight]

7 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

@qwijibo @Rick Blight

 

I honestly do not think there are many "none playoff teams" , or "none bubble team", that have goalies, that they will put on the market as good as Halak.

 

Then, I think you have to factor in length of contract, as well.

 

It is a big ask, but Halak can play a #1 goalie, and is consistant ...................

 

Who would you think could be offered up?

Edmonton would not consider Halak an upgrade on Smith, assuming he could get healthy. They probably wouldn't mind Halak as insurance but they would only take him for next to nothing. They wouldn't see him as anything other than a stop gap and definitely do not want the cap hit for next year with Nurse's new contract kicking in.

There are lots of goalies on non-payoff teams that could be available for far less than a 1st round pick. We could argue whether or not they are as good as we think Halak is but they are available. Personally, I would approach Columbus and see which of their two goalies they might part with for the right price. Perhaps a trade that includes McLeod for Korpisalo. I do think that is the type of deal that they will more likely get done in the off-season though.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Rick Blight

[JM_]

10 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Mikko Koskinen has a .900 save percentage average

 

Halak's is .915....................

 

Not a big difference

 

But Edmonton will think so!

 

We will take Koskinen at 50% retained as part of the deal

 

Do sweat it, he'll play better in Vancouver, with 4 lines and a defense in front of him.

MK has to be coming back at 50% to make this work. If it gets the approval of Ian Clark then yep.

 

Koskinen is the fall guy right now, the blame on him is pretty severe, which isn't 100% fair the Coilers stink defensively. 

 

Halak has to be convinced we have to sit him for cap reasons for next year to be compelled to move. 

 

I don't think the 1st is possible but what about:

 

MK 50%, Yamamoto

 

Halak, Dickinson

 

 

[Goal:thecup]

36 minutes ago, JM_ said:

MK has to be coming back at 50% to make this work. If it gets the approval of Ian Clark then yep.

 

Koskinen is the fall guy right now, the blame on him is pretty severe, which isn't 100% fair the Coilers stink defensively. 

 

Halak has to be convinced we have to sit him for cap reasons for next year to be compelled to move. 

 

I don't think the 1st is possible but what about:

 

MK 50%, Yamamoto

 

Halak, Dickinson

 

 

No.

They need a goal tender desperately; lets not help them compete against us for a playoff spot.

Even at 50% MK isn't worth it.

Not another little buzzbucket please.

Seriously need some meathooks on the wings for the playoffs.

[J.I.A.H.N]

9 minutes ago, JM_ said:

MK has to be coming back at 50% to make this work. If it gets the approval of Ian Clark then yep.

 

Koskinen is the fall guy right now, the blame on him is pretty severe, which isn't 100% fair the Coilers stink defensively. 

 

Halak has to be convinced we have to sit him for cap reasons for next year to be compelled to move. 

 

I don't think the 1st is possible but what about:

 

MK 50%, Yamamoto

 

Halak, Dickinson

 

 

I actually do agree with you Jim

I don't think you would get a 1st

But maybe 2 -2nds or close to it

 

Rick Bight is adamant that there are other goalies

and I am sure there are, but

When you sift out rookies or goalies playing less that 10 games

Halak is somewhere about 36th on the goalie list

and only about .003 save percentage higher than Demko

 

I think the list is very short, .........

and when you consider goalies that are actually proven

Halak is close to the top

 

As for Boston having 3 goalies, it is true

But Rask has a history of injuries, and with Covid around

There is a good chance Boston wants to keep all 3

 

Rask isn't going anywhere (aka trade..re proven Playoff goalie)

Swayman is their goalie of the future and has been put down to the minors 

and Ullmark has proven that he sucks with no defense in front of him (see Buffalo)

But maybe they move one for a 1st (I would), but he is signed for 3 more years at 5 million per

 

Real actual cost of Halak, "IF" he were to wave his no wave? Have not a clue

But he is at the top/near top of expendable goalies and is on a short contract

Value...............? In division? More than if not.

Other options.......sure? Who

 

Rick Blight seems to think there are a lot of options., but how many dependable goalies with proven track records?

Smith > Halak...sure when not injured.........but there is room for argument

and Smith is just not dependable enough at 39, and can't stay healthy

 

Realistically, your not getting Yamamoto

 

A 2nd for Halak and a 2nd for taking Koskinen with retention

and IMO, any trade that involves a decent goalie costs that

taking Koskinen, even with retention, is going to cost

 

And the way Draisaitl looked yesterday, they better move fast on something!

 

[nergish]

10 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Koskinen is an ECHL quality goalie.  Even at 50% retained,  I don't want that sieve to ever wear a Canucks jersey.

As a goalie guy, certain tenders stick out like a sore thumb to me. I was harping on Koskinen pre-COVID. 

He's huge, and definitely looks the part of a goaltender - but some guys just don't have that next gear, and he simply doesn't. 

 

Mike Smith has had a more than respectable career, but I'd argue that his peak of elite goaltending was really only 2-3 seasons.

It wasn't like when we brought in an aging Ryan Miller, who had been one of the most consistent netminders of his generation.

 

I cannot wrap my head around anyone thinking this tandem is anywhere close to good enough for a competitive team with the two best players in the world. 

Not to mention: every team has a goalie prospect like Skinner. He's alright.

 

 

Still don't understand why they didn't draft Wallstedt. The kid is only like 1-2 seasons away from playing.

 

 

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, nergish said:

As a goalie guy, certain tenders stick out like a sore thumb to me. I was harping on Koskinen pre-COVID. 

He's huge, and definitely looks the part of a goaltender - but some guys just don't have that next gear, and he simply doesn't. 

 

Mike Smith has had a more than respectable career, but I'd argue that his peak of elite goaltending was really only 2-3 seasons.

It wasn't like when we brought in an aging Ryan Miller, who had been one of the most consistent netminders of his generation.

 

I cannot wrap my head around anyone thinking this tandem is anywhere close to good enough for a competitive team with the two best players in the world. 

Not to mention: every team has a goalie prospect like Skinner. He's alright.

 

 

Still don't understand why they didn't draft Wallstedt. The kid is only like 1-2 seasons away from playing.

 

 

Agreed, Lysell is also far better than the kid they took.  They haven't hit on a first since Pool party.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Goal:thecup said:

No.

They need a goal tender desperately; lets not help them compete against us for a playoff spot.

Even at 50% MK isn't worth it.

Not another little buzzbucket please.

Seriously need some meathooks on the wings for the playoffs.

I think he's under-utilized in EDM, due to the McBaby effect. I also think he could be a good part of another trade at the draft. Its more about getting value out of the deal, I think he's better than say getting a 3rd. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

I actually do agree with you Jim

I don't think you would get a 1st

But maybe 2 -2nds or close to it

 

Rick Bight is adamant that there are other goalies

and I am sure there are, but

When you sift out rookies or goalies playing less that 10 games

Halak is somewhere about 36th on the goalie list

and only about .003 save percentage higher than Demko

 

I think the list is very short, .........

and when you consider goalies that are actually proven

Halak is close to the top

 

As for Boston having 3 goalies, it is true

But Rask has a history of injuries, and with Covid around

There is a good chance Boston wants to keep all 3

 

Rask isn't going anywhere (aka trade..re proven Playoff goalie)

Swayman is their goalie of the future and has been put down to the minors 

and Ullmark has proven that he sucks with no defense in front of him (see Buffalo)

But maybe they move one for a 1st (I would), but he is signed for 3 more years at 5 million per

 

Real actual cost of Halak, "IF" he were to wave his no wave? Have not a clue

But he is at the top/near top of expendable goalies and is on a short contract

Value...............? In division? More than if not.

Other options.......sure? Who

 

Rick Blight seems to think there are a lot of options., but how many dependable goalies with proven track records?

Smith > Halak...sure when not injured.........but there is room for argument

and Smith is just not dependable enough at 39, and can't stay healthy

 

Realistically, your not getting Yamamoto

 

A 2nd for Halak and a 2nd for taking Koskinen with retention

and IMO, any trade that involves a decent goalie costs that

taking Koskinen, even with retention, is going to cost

 

And the way Draisaitl looked yesterday, they better move fast on something!

 

Halak for 50% MK just makes too much sense. Again, with the caveat of Ian Clark stamp of approval. 

 

I don't really think we'd be helping EDM that much either, they'd be helping us with our cap and giving us assets to do it. 

 

[DrJockitch]

Haha. Nobody’s  that desperate. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by DrJockitch

[Goal:thecup]

30 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I think he's under-utilized in EDM, due to the McBaby effect. I also think he could be a good part of another trade at the draft. Its more about getting value out of the deal, I think he's better than say getting a 3rd. 

I see what you mean.

I think JR is capable of multi-level marketing of those he wants to move.

Getting this and that to make the next deal work etc, sort of as you said.

[IBatch]

13 hours ago, mll said:

Holland was pretty adamant that the 1st is off the table.  He pretty much answered that it would be stupid for him to trade draft picks or prospects for rentals and that he wasn't at all interested in doing so. He says the answer is in the room.

 

Tippett not happy with their compete and will.  Making a trade is not going to fix that fundamental issue.

This EDM "fundamental issue"...well it actually can be a lot of fun. 

[Moe Knows]

If Edmonton went for this the men in the white suites would come and take their management group far, far away

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, Moe Knows said:

If Edmonton went for this the men in the white suites would come and take their management group far, far away

They let Holland trade actual assets for Duncan Keith and re-sign Barrie.  Both those decisions are far worse.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

They won't do that.

[Master Mind]

On 1/19/2022 at 11:04 AM, J.I.A.H.N said:

Rick Blight seems to think there are a lot of options., but how many dependable goalies with proven track records?

 

There are other options available. Korpisalo and Martin Jones immediately come to mind. There will likely be other goalies available as more teams drop out of the playoff race.

 

Goalies typically don't go for much on the trade market, so we won't be able to pry away a 1st for an aging Halak who hasn't been a starter in years. If Edmonton wants to bring in another goalie, they'll be able to acquire one for cheaper, and likely from an East team.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Master Mind

[J.I.A.H.N]

1 minute ago, Master Mind said:

There are other options available. Korpisalo and Martin Jones immediately come to mind. There will likely be other goalies available as more teams drop out of the playoff race.

 

Goalies typically don't go for much on the trade market, so we won't be able to pry away a 1st for an aging Halak who hasn't been a starter in years. If Edmonton wants to bring in another goalie, they'll be able to acquire one for cheaper, and likely from an East team.

Hi Master Mind

 

Yes, you are probably right,. But, I was listening to 650 and they were saying that there just are not that many goaltenders available, and that any one that are, will come at a high cost, especially to Edmonton, as no one want to fill in another piece to their puzzle.

 

I would also say that Halak has played well this year, and is up there with the rest. His contract is also a bonus as it isn't long term. 

 

But yes, a 1st is a little too steep. But it will cost.

[FaninMex]

On 1/19/2022 at 4:55 AM, J.I.A.H.N said:

They are desperate, man!

 

Put the screws to them!

Why not let them sink to the bottom and we keep winning with our players.

[Master Mind]

5 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Hi Master Mind

 

Yes, you are probably right,. But, I was listening to 650 and they were saying that there just are not that many goaltenders available, and that any one that are, will come at a high cost, especially to Edmonton, as no one want to fill in another piece to their puzzle.

 

I would also say that Halak has played well this year, and is up there with the rest. His contract is also a bonus as it isn't long term. 

 

But yes, a 1st is a little too steep. But it will cost.

I didn't hear the segment you are referring to, but I imagine it has to do with charging Edmonton extra, because teams know they are desperate.

 

Similar to when the Canucks were free falling earlier this season. Teams knew we were desperate for change, so the trade offers would have reflected that.

 

Even if EDM were to get a goalie like Halak, I don't think it fixes much. They still struggle to have secondary scoring, and their defense isn't trustworthy. A coaching change will likely be more beneficial than half a season of Halak, and wouldn't require spending any draft picks.