[Discussion] IF We Trade Miller, Then Also Trade ___(?)

[Nuxfanabroad]

Short & sweet. Team's playing great now, but cap troubles will soon rear it's ugly head.

 

JT Miller should get a shot at the silver. Should he go, we step back(but also get younger, & likely deeper in youth).

The Question: Who's another 4-5 mill AAV we should also unload, if the price is right?

 

Right now I'd prob say Bo. Imagine the stash of youth we could add, dealing these two?

 

Then we'd build around QH, TD, EP, BB & Pod-monster. It's a high-octane, REVAMP, L & G...

 

 

[HKSR]

No. 

 

Also not a trade, rumour, or signing

[Nuxfanabroad]

Whoopsadaisy..meant to stash this in the Proposals Section. Mods, if y'please...

[BertaNuck]

[-Vintage Canuck-]

7 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Whoopsadaisy..meant to stash this in the Proposals Section. Mods, if y'please...

Done.

[BureBurrito]

Probably Bo (who's been more of a captain this and last year? Miller? or Bo?)...I think Bo wants to head out east, perhaps to Boston (interest once Bergeron retires?)...

 

Boeser would be the other (could see Minnesota giving a sweet haul for him)

[VegasCanuck]

18 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Short & sweet. Team's playing great now, but cap troubles will soon rear it's ugly head.

 

JT Miller should get a shot at the silver. Should he go, we step back(but also get younger, & likely deeper in youth).

The Question: Who's another 4-5 mill AAV we should also unload, if the price is right?

 

Right now I'd prob say Bo. Imagine the stash of youth we could add, dealing these two?

 

Then we'd build around QH, TD, EP, BB & Pod-monster. It's a high-octane, REVAMP, L & G...

 

 

We are better off cap wise than most people think.

 

That said, there will be guys on the table at the deadline, even if we are trending into the playoffs, I think JR will feel a need to start and put his personal stamp on this team. At the moment, it is still Jim Benning's team, there hasn't been a single change other than coach and we've gone 10 - 3 - 1 since then and 12 - 4 - 1 if we include Green's last 3 games.

 

I personally think that Boeser is more likely to be moved, not because of play or that he needs a new contract, but more because we are fairly deep on the right side. I think he's an asset that could be moved to improve our right side defense and round out overall depth.

 

 

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

There has been alot of GM's calling about Miller, and if JR sees a offer that up grades us long term, I see him pulling the plug on Miller. All GM's know what the cost is, because they know what they would be asking, so I suspect the offers are very good.

 

Further to that point, other GM's know, their 1st's are very late and have value closer to a early 2nd, than a top 10 - 1st, so they know the main pieces will be young players either playing or ready to play in the NHL. So, they know for instance, with what Vancouver needs (RHD), that Vancouver will be expecting Schneider in the offer, and as NYR are rumored to be interested, I think it is reasonable to expect him on the table, despite what you hear on here.

 

I would also say that, JR is very respected, so I do not see any GM's low balling us.......JR would not take it.

 

It will be a interesting lead up to the TDL.

[Ghostsof1915]

So who plays centre?

You trade Bo AND Miller. You would need 2 centres in return, in addition to a centre prospect that can play next year at least. 

2 of which have to be able to play RIGHT NOW. 

Unless you are looking to tank? 

[Ballisticsports.]

25 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

We are better off cap wise than most people think.

 

That said, there will be guys on the table at the deadline, even if we are trending into the playoffs, I think JR will feel a need to start and put his personal stamp on this team. At the moment, it is still Jim Benning's team, there hasn't been a single change other than coach and we've gone 10 - 3 - 1 since then and 12 - 4 - 1 if we include Green's last 3 games.

 

I personally think that Boeser is more likely to be moved, not because of play or that he needs a new contract, but more because we are fairly deep on the right side. I think he's an asset that could be moved to improve our right side defense and round out overall depth.

 

 

 

IMO, I don't think JR thinks like that at all (and why should he)?

 

This is a Canucks team and he just wants to put the best group of players that will gel, compete and be under the cap

So many intangibles and only so lil opportunity to win a cup

Good players will be moved, but not because of JR ego or that they aren't good, but because of timing and team needs 

He is the Pres with more than living day to day, but planning for the future as well (hopefully)

[Heretic]

IF We Trade Miller, Then Also Trade Nuxfanabroad!

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

So who plays centre?

You trade Bo AND Miller. You would need 2 centres in return, in addition to a centre prospect that can play next year at least. 

2 of which have to be able to play RIGHT NOW. 

Unless you are looking to tank? 

That's a major tank move and doubt we will see that.  JR hasn't even hinted at that.   But as a theorotical it's interesting. 

[BPA]

12 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

So who plays centre?

You trade Bo AND Miller. You would need 2 centres in return, in addition to a centre prospect that can play next year at least. 

2 of which have to be able to play RIGHT NOW. 

Unless you are looking to tank? 

Bingo.

 

Tank to draft Bedard.

 

Lol

 

[Me_]

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Short & sweet. Team's playing great now, but cap troubles will soon rear it's ugly head.

 

JT Miller should get a shot at the silver. Should he go, we step back(but also get younger, & likely deeper in youth).

The Question: Who's another 4-5 mill AAV we should also unload, if the price is right?

 

Right now I'd prob say Bo. Imagine the stash of youth we could add, dealing these two?

 

Then we'd build around QH, TD, EP, BB & Pod-monster. It's a high-octane, REVAMP, L & G...

 

 

No.

[J.I.A.H.N]

IMO, and looking at our roster and who may be able to replace any traded players...........if this is the year JR puts his stamp on the team, and moves players, I see this as the following...........................

 

#1. Miller............huge return.........think blue chip prospect and multiple picks, maybe in a multiple player trade

 

#2. Motte............with Motte's contract coming up and him not being a center, I see him as replaceable....value late 2nd/early 3rd.....

 

#3. Halak............these are the type of players that moved at TDL to contending teams..........value late 2nd (lol...not what I said in another post)

 

#4. Hamonic.......who is a decent player, and would be a great addition to a playoff team.....but IMO, it is not  working out in Vancouver

[VegasCanuck]

18 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said:

IMO, I don't think JR thinks like that at all (and why should he)?

 

This is a Canucks team and he just wants to put the best group of players that will gel, compete and be under the cap

So many intangibles and only so lil opportunity to win a cup

Good players will be moved, but not because of JR ego or that they aren't good, but because of timing and team needs 

He is the Pres with more than living day to day, but planning for the future as well (hopefully)

You are probably right, but he has also stated that he see's holes that need to be filled. To fill them, he needs to offer up value, and the one area that I see on this team that we have depth at, is Right Wing. My guess is we use that.

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

10 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

You are probably right, but he has also stated that he see's holes that need to be filled. To fill them, he needs to offer up value, and the one area that I see on this team that we have depth at, is Right Wing. My guess is we use that.

 

Here is the thing Vegas

 

I do not see our window as now

 

More so in 2 years

 

So, with that being said

 

Do you risk not being able to fill the holes.    aka a #2 RHD?

 

IMO, if you fill the RHD hole, you draft a young center, who develops and is on ELC when your core is in their prime (aka 2 years)

 

Tank.......no

Controlled decent.......ok

[4petesake]

 

[VegasCanuck]

4 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Here is the thing Vegas

 

I do not see our window as now

 

More so in 2 years

 

So, with that being said

 

Do you risk not being able to fill the holes.    aka a #2 RHD?

 

IMO, if you fill the RHD hole, you draft a young center, who develops and is on ELC when your core is in their prime (aka 2 years)

 

Tank.......no

Controlled decent.......ok

Personal opinion, I think with the right moves, our window opens next season. I think we have a pretty solid core in place if we round out middle six scoring.

 

I love how Motte plays, but considering Lockwood hasn't looked out of place in his short visits here, and that Lockwood and Highmore play similar game and aren't turning UFA, I would trade Motte for either a solid 3rd line prospect or a 2nd / 3rd round pick at the deadline.

 

Other trade chips, if I look at who can play RW, we've got Boeser, Garland, Motte (currently, really think they will move him), Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lammikko (better suited for center), and Highmore. Lockwood plays RW, and is looking pretty close to ready, and I'd say that Klimovich is about 18 months away from being NHL ready.

 

To me, looking at that list, we're fairly good down the right side, and Boeser is the best chip to help remake our defense and bottom 6. That would still leave us immediately with Garland Hoglander and Podkolzin to handle top 9, RW. 

 

Although some of the guys above are able to play LW as well, our natural LW's are, Miller, Pearson, Dowling, and we really don't have a lot on the farm or in prospects past McDonough, and as good as he looks, we don't really know how his abilities are going to translate to the NHL.

 

The right move of an asset from the RW, could dramatically strengthen our Left side as well as round out our defense for years to come.

 

Will wait to see what happens, but my opinion, we're weaker at center, would rather keep Miller, keep Pettersson on LW for now, move Boeser and Motte and round out Left side and Defense. Time will tell if JR agrees with me....

 

[erkayloomeh]

I'm not in favor of tradingaway the  center position. Especially ones that are playoff types and leaders. 

To me a good trade PC of any significance would be garland and/or boeser. 

Not sure why people are talking about trading Bo our captain who signed a team friendly deal last time and Miller but not a garland type. ?

Can we give up either of these and still make playoffs without it being a hockey trade? 

What we need is another key dman.

What is Rathbone worth? What is Dickenson worth.? 

Takes alot of savy to be an effective trade master.