With all due respect, I think the consensus on this board that Miller is getting traded before the TDL and the Canucks aren't making the playoffs is highly premature

[CanucksFan8353]

From scrolling through the threads over the last period of time, there seem to be 2 points of agreement on CDC:

 

1.  The Canucks aren't making the playoffs this year.

2. JT Miller is as good as gone and probably even before the TDL.

 

These two opinions, in my very humble opinion, are highly premature.  First, the team has run at a .650 winning percentage since Bruce "there it is" Boudreau" took over, which is stunning.  A .640 or less winning percentage henceforth gets us in.  Second, we just survived a COVID wave that nearly decimated the team with 4 points out 10 where we very possibly could have received zero.  We have a player who everyone in the league is drooling over who just did something last night that hasn't happened since Pavel Bure did it in 1994 before the Canucks made their magical run that year.  Fourthly, have you forgotten the 7 wins in 8 game streak, the winning 4/5 games before that, the easy schedule we have coming up in February.  Lastly, for you to believe the Canucks will miss the playoffs this year, you have to look at the standings and tell me that Dallas, Calgary, Edmonton and San Jose are such colossuses that there is no way we can catch them by the end of the regular season, as they are just so darn good while we are not.  Do you truly believe that?  Saying "too many teams" to jump over is intellectually lazy in my opinion.

 

As far as JT Miller goes, has AF from NY shown you ANYTHING to make you think that he will be as good as JT Miller?

 

Anyway, the consensus may be right and I may be wrong.  My only point here is that to have a consensus that the Canucks are out of the playoff race and JT Miller is basically 1 foot out the door already is highly premature.  For those of us still hoping for success, can you at least hold off on the Canucks obituaries until we see how February and the early half of March play out? Until we have Demko, Pearson, Horvat and Hamonic all back and healthy, etc.  Until we see if Sutter makes a return somehow?  Is there a need for the obits prematurely?

 

EDIT:  The Oilers fans were all on in the tanks and picks for years, and all it got them was a bubble playoff team and 1 round 2 game 7.  That strategy of tanking and trading hasn't worked out terribly well for them has it?

Edited January 28, 2022 by CanucksFan8353

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

6 minutes ago, CanucksFan8353 said:

We have a player who everyone in the league is drooling over who just did something last night that hasn't happened since Pavel Bure did it in 1994 before the Canucks made their magical run that year. 

I just dropped in to ask what this spectacularly almighty thing that happened last night was.

[DrJockitch]

There are 2 months until TDL and we have fairly favourable schedule and lots of games against the Pacific. 
A long road before decisions need to be made and picture may be a lot clearer. 
Looks like a long term plan though, not betting everything on scraping into the playoffs. 

[Alflives]

Miller is being traded before the TDL.  

We ARE making the playoffs.

Both will happen.  

[VegasCanuck]

#1. There is a reasonable chance that we make the playoffs

#2. There is a reasonable chance that we keep Miller

#3. There is a reasonable chance that someone will make us an offer for Miller that we can't refuse and that will setup us up for years to come.

#4. There is a highly reasonable chance that you've created a completely redundant thread as there are multiple discussions already around the question of does he stay or does he go, and I'm not quite sure why we needed another one...

[VegasCanuck]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Miller is being traded before the TDL.  

We ARE making the playoffs.

Both will happen.  

I like Alfs idea....

[Tank4Bedard]

7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Miller is being traded before the TDL.  

We ARE making the playoffs.

Both will happen.  

And get swept in the first round. I rather have a lottery pick or at least pick like #9/10 

Edited January 28, 2022 by DontMessMe

[Coconuts]

Consensus? This board rarely reaches a consensus on anything.

 

Maybe hating the Leafs.

 

There are those who argue this way or that, myself included, but there certainly ain't no consensus.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

And get swept in the first round. I rather have a lottery pick or at least pick like #9/10 

Draft 9OA and get a bustaroo like Geunther?  We got Klim in round two, and he’s better.  

[Mike Vanderhoek]

I think Dallas and Calgary will battle it out for that last Wild Card spot in the West. I will cheer for the Canucks every game of the year but think it will end up being too tall a task to make the Playoffs this season.

 

That being said Miller being a Canuck and the team making the Playoffs is not really related. It is already the trending belief within the industry that Miller while sitting on a nice caphit for this and next season will be moving on at the conclusion of his contract. So if that is the prevailing thought amongst the prognosticators there is little to no sense wasting the asset in Miller whom is at a high point right now, coupled with this and next season's caphit you can extract better/more assets from an interested club utilizing this.

 

I suspect Miller could very well get dealt in the next month and a half and bring in a hefty haul even by biased Canucks fans expectations. There has been nothing stopping Miller from saying he would like to stay in Vancouver, that has not happened.

[-AJ-]

I wouldn't say it's really a consensus.

 

That said, I do think it's a possibility, but I get the feeling that JR and Allvin are not eager to trade Miller and would have to get a mammoth return to give him up.

[Coconuts]

7 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

I wouldn't say it's really a consensus.

 

That said, I do think it's a possibility, but I get the feeling that JR and Allvin are not eager to trade Miller and would have to get a mammoth return to give him up.

And if it happens, it should be. You don't trade him for scraps, and we won't. Teams will have to pay up if they want our players.

[-AJ-]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

And if it happens, it should be. You don't trade him for scraps, and we won't. Teams will have to pay up if they want our players.

Especially ones we really want to keep. I heard a rumour from a NY media reporter that JR's asking price was "astronomical", which pleased me.

[rychicken]

51 minutes ago, CanucksFan8353 said:

 

 

EDIT:  The Oilers fans were all on in the tanks and picks for years, and all it got them was a bubble playoff team and 1 round 2 game 7.  That strategy of tanking and trading hasn't worked out terribly well for them has it?

Yeah, our strategy has been great too!

 

#MakeSomeTrades

[grandmaster]

44 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Miller is being traded before the TDL.  

We ARE making the playoffs.

Both will happen.  

Wrong. If Miller is traded before the TDL then we are NOT making the playoffs. Miller is the only one that can “will” us in. 

[Tank4Bedard]

27 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

I heard a rumour from a NY media reporter that JR's asking price was "astronomical",

I mean don't other teams always say the other team's ask is astronomical. 

 

I bet NYR is hoping they get Miller for a 1st and a low end prospect lmfao. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by DontMessMe

[Rindiculous]

38 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

I wouldn't say it's really a consensus.

 

That said, I do think it's a possibility, but I get the feeling that JR and Allvin are not eager to trade Miller and would have to get a mammoth return to give him up.

Yah I have to agree.  In so many interviews, Rutherford has been pressured by the media saying 'When are you going to trade JT Miller?' which is so stupid that they're concocting this question that he has to answer.  The only response we've gotten is that they want an astronomical offer if they're ever gonna trade him which makes me think with this media narrative that trading Miller before the TDL is less than a 1% chance unless we gets the like of a Panarinesque player back because there is absolutely 0 pressure for them to lower their price for Miller with another year left in his deal.  Boudreau loves Miller, Rutherford loves Miller, they're gonna be hard pressed to let him go so soon after joining this organization.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Rindiculous

[-AJ-]

Just now, DontMessMe said:

I mean don't other teams always say the other team's ask is astronomical. 

Fair point, we do have to consider the bias coming from the NY side.

[Devron]

Here’s a thought. Cheer on the boys and see what happens? Instead making every GDT about trading Miller.

[NUCKER67]

The timing of it all is near perfect.

 

Miller has another year left on a very good contract.

He's in his prime

Leadership

He's a playoff type of performer: aggressive, physical, desire to win

He can play C or the wing, good on faceoffs

He's good on the PK and PP

Team leader in goals and points

 

What if they decide to hold off and wait until next year's TDL, and then Miller suffers an injury, or slows down, or loses his scoring touch, etc. A lot of "what ifs", but if this happens, his value drops and they might not get near as much next year. It's a gamble. 

 

Does Miller even want to play in VAN long term?  Previous management may have left a bad taste in his mouth and he might want to play elsewhere. From what I've heard, he never bought a home here, so does he really plan to stay?

 

I don't know if JR has the patience to wait and see with Miller. He knows there is a lot of work to be done, to rebuild the prospect pool, the bottom 6 and the D. Trading Miller gives them a kick start into that. They could end up with another 1st (making two 1st round picks in a strong Draft). He could also pick up a good prospect, and a player to help the team now. With Boudreau, I think the Canucks can win, even without one or two of their better players in the lineup.