DeNiro Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Lol. They been .500 since the 8-0-1 run. Let’s not kid ourselves. 4-5-3. One game below actually. There are so many stats that show it is not a good enough team. Pp, pk, even strength scoring. Dman scoring. All bottom of the league. If that isn’t enough proof then I don’t know what is. Lol. 3 of those regulation losses came from the best teams in the league after a long layoff and a rusty team. The other one came when we had 3 out of 4 goalies in protocol. Context is your friend. Edited February 2, 2022 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Viper007 said: Hard to gain traction when you don't have a full healthy lineup game in and game out. Getting COVID really hurt this team again. Having the players miss games that they don't need to miss because of border restrictions was costly. Now their timing is off and it will take a few games to get going again. I don't like the line combos at the moment. I think BB needs to go back to having Miller/Pettersson/Horvat as centres. The Bo/Pettersson line has not done enough to stay together. The PK has definitely been better under Boudreau. Only one bad stretch against the best teams where alot of PP goals against were being scored. The PP has been very inconsistent. I don't have rose coloured glasses. I see the games just fine. I make my critiques also. But I would rather be a positive person and look at the good they've done recently than be a downer and complain everytime they lose (and some people even when they win). Ok but you could have excuses for the 7 of 8 years they have missed the playoffs. When do you say hey this team is just not good enough. It isn’t, that’s the reality and all you have to do is look at the standings. If we had depth we would have had more wins and it wouldn’t have been a struggle but Benning didn’t supply the system with assets. That’s what needs to be built back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Why do you want them to make the playoffs so bad? If they keep all their players they are so far against the cap they can’t sign anyone in the off-season. They have to make trades. They need to free up money in their backend. It’s obvious that the team isn’t good enough yet you think it’s important to make the playoffs. Aren’t you tired of seeing them struggle to even get there and they have failed the last 7/8 years. I think everyone wants to see a contender. Anything less isn’t worth it. Cause I'm happier when they win. Gives us more entertainment and something to cheer for? Who do you think they'll sign in the off-season? If Benning can trade away dead cap space players, why couldn't JR do it, if we really need the cap space? The players need to be in a winning environment. You need to start consistently make the playoffs before becoming a contender. So you need to start by making the playoffs. And no everybody doesn't want to see a contender right now. Most fans on this site are realistic and know that we're not contenders. But most of us cheer on the team and believe that they can make the playoffs. And if they do make the playoffs, I think there will be a lot of teams that will not want to play against us, cause we will be one of the best teams during the second half of the season. Do I believe in this team? Yes. If you don't, maybe you really should cheer for some other team. I hear the leafs are real good this season. Go jump on their bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Lol. 4 of those regulation losses came from the best teams in the league after a long layoff and a rusty team. The other one came when we had 3 out of 4 goalies in protocol. Context is your friend. Ok but our goal should be to get to those top teams level. We aren’t close to that. I don’t know I guess some people are just happy with a below average team. Edited February 2, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, FijianCanuck said: Looks like our goalies need to put up a .940 save % for us to win games. The most important stat is Canucks' save % since Boudreau took over - which had been first in the league. That's not likely sustainable, and is masking some serious problems with the skaters on the team. IMO, we're very far from being any kind of legitimate playoff threat. So when people say we need to double down on the guys we have and lock up Miller until his late 30's, I just have to shake my head. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Viper007 said: Cause I'm happier when they win. Gives us more entertainment and something to cheer for? Who do you think they'll sign in the off-season? If Benning can trade away dead cap space players, why couldn't JR do it, if we really need the cap space? The players need to be in a winning environment. You need to start consistently make the playoffs before becoming a contender. So you need to start by making the playoffs. And no everybody doesn't want to see a contender right now. Most fans on this site are realistic and know that we're not contenders. But most of us cheer on the team and believe that they can make the playoffs. And if they do make the playoffs, I think there will be a lot of teams that will not want to play against us, cause we will be one of the best teams during the second half of the season. Do I believe in this team? Yes. If you don't, maybe you really should cheer for some other team. I hear the leafs are real good this season. Go jump on their bandwagon. The players aren’t in a winning environment now. Lol. Like I said your not about winning the cup so maybe you should move on. It can go both ways. It’s ok I get it you accept mediocrity. Your going to be disappointed when they trade a lot of players away. Sorry it’s likely happening. They are too far up against the cap and they aren’t a winning club. It’s just what happens in sports. They don’t call him trader Jim for nothing. I am excited for the future. Benning just kept things the same and wasted a lot of years. Jim Rutherford has already said they have big decisions to make coming up. He’s won three cups. I don’t think he just wants to make the playoffs. Edited February 2, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Ok but our goal should be to get to those top teams level. We aren’t lose to that. I don’t know I guess some people are just happy with a below average team. Except the previous time we played the Canes we beat them in regulation. Next time we played the Panthers it took a shootout for them to beat us. That layoff definitely killed their momentum. And then once they get rolling again suddenly guys start dropping like flies to protocol. Now that the protocol bs and postponed games are over we can see what this team really can do. Pretending like that didn’t effect them is silly though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Ok but you could have excuses for the 7 of 8 years they have missed the playoffs. When do you say hey this team is just not good enough. It isn’t, that’s the reality and all you have to do is look at the standings. If we had depth we would have had more wins and it wouldn’t have been a struggle but Benning didn’t supply the system with assets. That’s what needs to be built back up. 6/8. But facts right? Should've been 5/8 if last season COVID didn't ruin it (but we will never really know). How many teams really have a lot of depth? Not many. Other than Tampa. Benning provided the team with the core. He didn't have the assets to actually do much more. I'll be thankful for the core that JB has drafted and given the team. Could he have done better? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20. Some things didn't work out, some things did. What I believe is that JB's tenure in the later years was alot better than when he first started. He's put this team in a better position than when he first got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Also the second highest paid defense in the nhl. (Thank You Benning!) Some people just can't help themselves when showing their (ir)rationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Some people just can't help themselves when showing their (ir)rationality. Our defense makes 30 million. That’s ludicrous. When Pittsburgh won their two cups, they paid 18 million and they could actually put the puck in the net. You limit your team so much if you don’t get any offense from the backend and we pay our defense the second most in the league. It’s crazy. Edited February 2, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 At this point in the season, despite how relatively better we've played, we seem to be unable to undo what our past coach has done. He lost the room, and I strongly believe they fired him way too late. With such a disastrous preseason, and a bad start to the season, this season could've been salvaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Our defense makes 30 million. That’s ludicrous. When Pittsburgh won their two cups, they paid 18 million and they could actually put the puck in the net. You limit your team so much if you don’t get any offense from the backend and we pay our defense the second most in the league. It’s crazy. Hard to take you seriously when you compare two pretty distant time periods. 2016 and 2017 is quite a ways away. Moreover, the Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. While those two are not defensemen, it means that the team doesn't have to spend as much money in one position, and can evenly distribute it. The Canucks never had such a luxury at all. Gillis really set the team back, and it's mindboggling how people still think he did a good job with his playoff runs. They all came at a huge cost. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: The players aren’t in a winning environment now. Lol. Like I said your not about winning the cup so maybe you should move on. It can go both ways. It’s ok I get it you accept mediocrity. Your going to be disappointed when they trade a lot of players away. Sorry it’s likely happening. They are too far up against the cap and they aren’t a winning club. It’s just what happens in sports. They don’t call him trader Jim for nothing. I am excited for the future. Benning just kept things the same and wasted a lot of years. Jim Rutherford has already said they have big decisions to make coming up. He’s won three cups. I don’t think he just wants to make the playoffs. They're 12-5-4 under Boudreau and it's not a winning environment now? If you think that the Canucks are going to be contenders without consistently making the playoffs first, you're a delusional one. Teams don't become contenders a year after they're rebuilding. I believe you will be the one who will be very disappointed in the fact that a lot of players actually won't be traded away. I believe there will be a couple of players traded. But not half the team like you're expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Our defense makes 30 million. That’s ludicrous. When Pittsburgh won their two cups, they paid 18 million and they could actually put the puck in the net. You limit your team so much if you don’t get any offense from the backend and we pay our defense the second most in the league. It’s crazy. They also had 2 of the best centres in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Hard to take you seriously when you compare two pretty distant time periods. 2016 and 2017 is quite a ways away. Moreover, the Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. While those two are not defensemen, it means that the team doesn't have to spend as much money in one position, and can evenly distribute it. The Canucks never had such a luxury at all. Gillis really set the team back, and it's mindboggling how people still think he did a good job with his playoff runs. They all came at a huge cost. Ok, stand by this defense. It’s a smart move. I can’t take you seriously if you want to ignore the offense from defense stats and think they can make the playoffs. They are bad offensively and are paid the second most. That’s a fact but ignore it. Edited February 2, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphouse Canuck Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, davidgoliath said: True. And our best hit was Garland launching a yellow shirt into the net. Preds have team size and toughness that we need. It's like the old adage: "A good big'un beats a good littl'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Viper007 said: They're 12-5-4 under Boudreau and it's not a winning environment now? If you think that the Canucks are going to be contenders without consistently making the playoffs first, you're a delusional one. Teams don't become contenders a year after they're rebuilding. I believe you will be the one who will be very disappointed in the fact that a lot of players actually won't be traded away. I believe there will be a couple of players traded. But not half the team like you're expecting. They can’t even make the playoffs. Lol. You are talking about consistently making them. How about we start small and hope they have more than one winning streak in a season. I never said half but there will be significant ones. They want cap space. Edited February 2, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Viper007 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: They can’t even make the playoffs. Lol. You are talking about consistently making them. How about we start small and hope they have more than one winning streak in a season. I never said half but there will be significant ones. They want cap space. They have made the playoffs. And they have a chance still this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Viper007 said: They have made the playoffs. And they have a chance still this season. Reality check. They have to play .700 hockey to make it and they haven’t done it consistently. Yes they play most of their games at home but it’s highly unlikely they will be able to do it. I think what’s more important is building the depth in the organization, adding assets and freeing up money from trades. Freeing cap space and adding depth are the most important things in the long run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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