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1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

Who knows regardless she will get off much easily than someone that's over the age of 16. I mean at that age I doubt she even knows what the hell her trainers and coach gives her.. 

Aren’t a lot of summer Olympic girl gymnasts U-16?  Doping is doping, regardless of the participant’s age.  If this girl is juicing, she (and her team) should be and will be disqualified from the competition.  

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2 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

 

Well I guess we will she what she does on. Is it is one of those pain killers with trace amount of banned substances than fine. 

I hope it does turn out to be something like this.

 

Kamila Valieva is, IMO, one of the star attractions of these Olympics.  I watched her performances in these team events and was looking forward to see whether she would break her own World Records in the short and long program.  It would be quite disappointing to find out she was doing it with drugs.

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Trudeau should have withdrawn Canada from the 2022 Beijing Olympics after reports of Chinese residential schools

February 10, 2022 10.39am EST

 

 

Last June, Canada’s delegation to the United Nations was part of an international effort calling for UN inspectors to have free and unfettered access to China’s Xinjiang region to assess reports of human rights violations against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims.

 

Chinese UN representative Jiang Duan promptly fired back, noting that Canada “robbed Indigenous people of the land, killed them and eradicated their culture.”

 

The truth is, the Chinese government is taking a page out of Canada’s cultural genocide handbook in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia — extinguishing multiple cultures within their borders.

 

With the 2022 Beijing Olympics underway, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s refusal to support a full boycott of the Games is perplexing.

Ongoing colonialism

Settler colonialism is a specific kind of colonization where settlers seek to not only displace Indigenous people, but replace them entirely.

 

In Canada, this has included armed assaultgeographical displacement and the eradication of Indigenous culture and fragmentation of families (as was done through the residential school system and the 60s scoop).

 

China has used settler colonialism to destroy Uyghur and Tibetan cultures, moving large numbers of Han settlers into Xinjiang and Tibet.

 

International affairs scholar Sean R. Roberts and anthropologist Uradyn Bulag have labelled Chinese efforts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia as settler colonialism.

 

As international relations scholar Dibyesh Anand explains: “The basic premise behind development in contemporary China is not the empowerment of these peoples but their disempowerment, by making them dependent on the state, by destroying their traditional ways of being, and by taking away their dignity, ultimately through state violence.”

 

And Anand isn’t alone. Academics are pointing to ongoing settler colonialism along China’s borders. Identifying China as an imperial state, anthropologist Carol McGranahan argues that the regime’s settler colonialism has inflicted “dispossession and domination, including the loss of state sovereignty.”

A woman wearing a head covering reaches out with a metal scoop into a bag of dried herbs
An Uyghur woman who fled China for Turkey works in her shop in Istanbul. (AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)

 

In Canada, the Indian Residential School system and colonialism are often framed as in the past — but the last school closed less than 30 years ago, and colonialism is still ongoing.

 

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission published its final report in 2015 detailing the horrific atrocities that occurred at Indian Residential Schools and its ongoing impact on communities.

 

The report also included 94 calls to action that must be completed as steps toward reconciliation — in six years however, only 13 calls have been completed.

 

Summer 2021 was a period of reckoning for many Canadians as they faced the horrific truths dredged up by unmarked graves at former Indian Residential Schools. And Canadians are still reckoning with the country’s acts of genocide as more unmarked graves continue to be found.

 

We’ve now begun to face the realities of whats been happening in our own country, but we must maintain that same expectation in our relationships abroad.

Concerning parallels

For hundreds of thousands of children in China, being taken away from their homes and placed in boarding schools is a grim reality.

 

A recent report by the Tibet Action Institute estimates that the Chinese government is forcing three out of four Tibetan students into boarding schools and separating up to 900,000 children from their families.

 

The goal, explains the Tibet Action Institute, is to “eliminate Tibetan identity and supplant it with a Chinese nationalist identity in order to neutralize any resistance to Chinese Communist Party rule.”

 

People standing in a line wearing blue masks with red hands painted across the mouth area
Student activists wearing masks with the colours of the pro-independence East Turkistan flag protest outside the Chinese Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia in January 2022 to demand the cancellation of the Beijing Olympics. (AP Photo/Tatan Syuflana)

 

In Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, traditional language education is being eradicated. In Xinjiang in particular, more than a million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims are forced into political “re-education camps,” used for “coercive social re-engineering” compatible with the government’s aim to promote a universal Chinese culture within its borders.

 

Many children of detainees are sent to state-run institutions where they are “raised ostensibly as Han children in a Chinese-language environment with Han child rearing methods adopted by the state as standard.”

 

Should we — as Canadians — be shocked? That’s partly how settler colonialism works: domination has its regional differences, but the broader patterns are mostly the same.

The prime minister hasn’t learned

It seems Trudeau hasn’t learned as much as he should have from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Because here we are, with a prime minister who refuses to take a political stance against what is happening in China.

 

His approach, which borders on disinterest, diminishes the efforts made by Canadians to address their own country’s wrongs.

 

Following Chinese UN representative Jiang Duan’s condemnation of Canada’s human rights record at the UN, Trudeau asked:

“In Canada, we had a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Where is China’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission?”

Although Trudeau did appear to see the parallels between China and Canada, and Canada’s quest for truth and reconciliation, he still stopped short of withdrawing the nation from the 2022 Beijing Olympics.

 

The Olympics will undoubtedly draw attention away from the Chinese government’s genocidal policies, permitting the authoritarian regime “to sportwash” its reputation.

 

https://theconversation.com/trudeau-should-have-withdrawn-canada-from-the-2022-beijing-olympics-after-reports-of-chinese-residential-schools-175212

 

It's an op-ed piece by a couple of academics, but it raises some very important points.

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Trudeau should have withdrawn Canada from the 2022 Beijing Olympics after reports of Chinese residential schools

February 10, 2022 10.39am EST

 

 

Last June, Canada’s delegation to the United Nations was part of an international effort calling for UN inspectors to have free and unfettered access to China’s Xinjiang region to assess reports of human rights violations against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims.

 

Chinese UN representative Jiang Duan promptly fired back, noting that Canada “robbed Indigenous people of the land, killed them and eradicated their culture.”

 

The truth is, the Chinese government is taking a page out of Canada’s cultural genocide handbook in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia — extinguishing multiple cultures within their borders.

 

With the 2022 Beijing Olympics underway, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s refusal to support a full boycott of the Games is perplexing.

Ongoing colonialism

Settler colonialism is a specific kind of colonization where settlers seek to not only displace Indigenous people, but replace them entirely.

 

In Canada, this has included armed assaultgeographical displacement and the eradication of Indigenous culture and fragmentation of families (as was done through the residential school system and the 60s scoop).

 

China has used settler colonialism to destroy Uyghur and Tibetan cultures, moving large numbers of Han settlers into Xinjiang and Tibet.

 

International affairs scholar Sean R. Roberts and anthropologist Uradyn Bulag have labelled Chinese efforts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia as settler colonialism.

 

As international relations scholar Dibyesh Anand explains: “The basic premise behind development in contemporary China is not the empowerment of these peoples but their disempowerment, by making them dependent on the state, by destroying their traditional ways of being, and by taking away their dignity, ultimately through state violence.”

 

And Anand isn’t alone. Academics are pointing to ongoing settler colonialism along China’s borders. Identifying China as an imperial state, anthropologist Carol McGranahan argues that the regime’s settler colonialism has inflicted “dispossession and domination, including the loss of state sovereignty.”

A woman wearing a head covering reaches out with a metal scoop into a bag of dried herbs

An Uyghur woman who fled China for Turkey works in her shop in Istanbul. (AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)

 

In Canada, the Indian Residential School system and colonialism are often framed as in the past — but the last school closed less than 30 years ago, and colonialism is still ongoing.

 

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission published its final report in 2015 detailing the horrific atrocities that occurred at Indian Residential Schools and its ongoing impact on communities.

 

The report also included 94 calls to action that must be completed as steps toward reconciliation — in six years however, only 13 calls have been completed.

 

Summer 2021 was a period of reckoning for many Canadians as they faced the horrific truths dredged up by unmarked graves at former Indian Residential Schools. And Canadians are still reckoning with the country’s acts of genocide as more unmarked graves continue to be found.

 

We’ve now begun to face the realities of whats been happening in our own country, but we must maintain that same expectation in our relationships abroad.

Concerning parallels

For hundreds of thousands of children in China, being taken away from their homes and placed in boarding schools is a grim reality.

 

A recent report by the Tibet Action Institute estimates that the Chinese government is forcing three out of four Tibetan students into boarding schools and separating up to 900,000 children from their families.

 

The goal, explains the Tibet Action Institute, is to “eliminate Tibetan identity and supplant it with a Chinese nationalist identity in order to neutralize any resistance to Chinese Communist Party rule.”

 

People standing in a line wearing blue masks with red hands painted across the mouth area

Student activists wearing masks with the colours of the pro-independence East Turkistan flag protest outside the Chinese Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia in January 2022 to demand the cancellation of the Beijing Olympics. (AP Photo/Tatan Syuflana)

 

In Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, traditional language education is being eradicated. In Xinjiang in particular, more than a million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims are forced into political “re-education camps,” used for “coercive social re-engineering” compatible with the government’s aim to promote a universal Chinese culture within its borders.

 

Many children of detainees are sent to state-run institutions where they are “raised ostensibly as Han children in a Chinese-language environment with Han child rearing methods adopted by the state as standard.”

 

Should we — as Canadians — be shocked? That’s partly how settler colonialism works: domination has its regional differences, but the broader patterns are mostly the same.

The prime minister hasn’t learned

It seems Trudeau hasn’t learned as much as he should have from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Because here we are, with a prime minister who refuses to take a political stance against what is happening in China.

 

His approach, which borders on disinterest, diminishes the efforts made by Canadians to address their own country’s wrongs.

 

Following Chinese UN representative Jiang Duan’s condemnation of Canada’s human rights record at the UN, Trudeau asked:

“In Canada, we had a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Where is China’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission?”

Although Trudeau did appear to see the parallels between China and Canada, and Canada’s quest for truth and reconciliation, he still stopped short of withdrawing the nation from the 2022 Beijing Olympics.

 

The Olympics will undoubtedly draw attention away from the Chinese government’s genocidal policies, permitting the authoritarian regime “to sportwash” its reputation.

 

https://theconversation.com/trudeau-should-have-withdrawn-canada-from-the-2022-beijing-olympics-after-reports-of-chinese-residential-schools-175212

 

It's an op-ed piece by a couple of academics, but it raises some very important points.

But given our history with residential schools, doesn't that make it harder for us to start preaching to China about minority rights?

 

Maybe, instead of lecturing China about human rights we should just try giving them some friendly advice:  "Hey, China, good job on the Olympics.  Oh, say, about the Uighurs and some of your other minorities.  You know, we tried to do that cultural assimilation thing on our First Nations.  Didn't work out too well.  You might want to try something different."

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2 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

But given our history with residential schools, doesn't that make it harder for us to start preaching to China about minority rights?

 

Maybe, instead of lecturing China about human rights we should just try giving them some friendly advice:  "Hey, China, good job on the Olympics.  Oh, say, about the Uighurs and some of your other minorities.  You know, we tried to do that cultural assimilation thing on our First Nations.  Didn't work out too well.  You might want to try something different."

It only seems that way because we're still working on righting the wrongs of yesteryear.  The fact of the matter is that we are working on it though, so it's not really "harder", just inconvenient.  The difficulty is the same, regardless.

 

The key point is that if we're committed to righting the wrongs, then on the basis of having a consistent philosophy and consistent action, we should not be aiding and abetting those regimes who choose to pursue the same path of wrongs that we're working hard to extricate ourselves from.  And giving the ccp face by supporting them in hosting a successful event with prominence on the world stage - through our active participation by supplying competitors - is definitely a form of aiding and abetting them.

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7 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

It only seems that way because we're still working on righting the wrongs of yesteryear.  The fact of the matter is that we are working on it though, so it's not really "harder", just inconvenient.  The difficulty is the same, regardless.

 

The key point is that if we're committed to righting the wrongs, then on the basis of having a consistent philosophy and consistent action, we should not be aiding and abetting those regimes who choose to pursue the same path of wrongs that we're working hard to extricate ourselves from.  And giving the ccp face by supporting them in hosting a successful event with prominence on the world stage - through our active participation by supplying competitors - is definitely a form of aiding and abetting them.

An interesting post, 6. 

 

But will hosting these Olympics change anyone's mind about China?  Is someone going to say "Hey, that was an exciting snowboard competition.  Maybe the CCP isn't all that bad!"

 

 

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7 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

It only seems that way because we're still working on righting the wrongs of yesteryear.  The fact of the matter is that we are working on it though, so it's not really "harder", just inconvenient.  The difficulty is the same, regardless.

 

The key point is that if we're committed to righting the wrongs, then on the basis of having a consistent philosophy and consistent action, we should not be aiding and abetting those regimes who choose to pursue the same path of wrongs that we're working hard to extricate ourselves from.  And giving the ccp face by supporting them in hosting a successful event with prominence on the world stage - through our active participation by supplying competitors - is definitely a form of aiding and abetting them.

Don't take it out on the athletes. The west have no one to blame but themselves for Beijing hosting these games as no western democracy choose to go through with their bids. 

 

The only other choice was Kazakhstan which was gonna be another Sochi white elephant not to mention they almost had a coup a few weeks before the opening ceremonies. 

 

I know you like to take every chance you can get to blast China but keep it to the political threads. This one is for the athletes. 

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35 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

An interesting post, 6. 

 

But will hosting these Olympics change anyone's mind about China?  Is someone going to say "Hey, that was an exciting snowboard competition.  Maybe the CCP isn't all that bad!"

 

 

No, but they're going to see the veneer of "efficiency" and "conformity" and most likely end up thinking, "this ain't so bad", totally glossing over the fact that the veneer is actually opaquely obscuring the human rights violations lurking just under the surface, because of the regime's work in silencing dissent and (especially this year with the pandemic) keeping the athletes, press, and support staff in a hermetically sealed bubble.

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22 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

Don't take it out on the athletes. The west have no one to blame but themselves for Beijing hosting these games as no western democracy choose to go through with their bids. 

 

The only other choice was Kazakhstan which was gonna be another Sochi white elephant not to mention they almost had a coup a few weeks before the opening ceremonies. 

 

I know you like to take every chance you can get to blast China but keep it to the political threads. This one is for the athletes. 

No doubt that the west has their own part to play in allowing this to end up a choice between two regimes that routinely violate human rights, and I'm definitely not giving them a free pass on it.  Doesn't mean that they can't boycott the games though, given their acknowledgement that they believe there's genocide happening within the borders.

 

And please get your facts straight.  I blast the ccp, not the land or its citizens. 

 

Further, sport is politics, politics is sport.  They're intricately intertwined - always have been, and always will be - and anyone who believes otherwise is naive or willfully ignorant.

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3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

No doubt that the west has their own part to play in allowing this to end up a choice between two regimes that routinely violate human rights, and I'm definitely not giving them a free pass on it.  Doesn't mean that they can't boycott the games though, given their acknowledgement that they believe there's genocide happening within the borders.

Once again, the athletes should not be punished over where the games are played. These athletes see their peak earning during these games with endorsements and achievement to warrant future endorsements which would otherwise not happen if the games are boycotted. I for one ain't gonna ask these athletes that had put countless hours and their once chance to make back all the money they put into their sports over something they have no control over.

 

3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

And please get your facts straight.  I blast the ccp, not the land or its citizens.

Was using China as short hand for the government there but point taken.

 

3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Further, sport is politics, politics is sport.  They're intricately intertwined - always have been, and always will be - and anyone who believes otherwise is naive or willfully ignorant.

Man we must all love living under the dictatorship that is the NHL. :lol:

 

K I'm gonna stop right here as I said I would not further derail this thread with politics. This one is to celebrate our Olympic athletes and their achievements.

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I'm watching the U.S. - Czech women's quarterfinal game.  Shots are 54 - 6, score is 2 - 1, with about 5 mins to go.  That Czech goalie is putting up one hell of a fight.  I feel bad for her.  She gave them a chance but they're likely going to lose anyways.

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23 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

I'm watching the U.S. - Czech women's quarterfinal game.  Shots are 54 - 6, score is 2 - 1, with about 5 mins to go.  That Czech goalie is putting up one hell of a fight.  I feel bad for her.  She gave them a chance but they're likely going to lose anyways.

A Dominik Hasek level performance.

 

Unfortunately she isn’t as good without the paddle as the Dominator was.

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