No Core Player NEEDS to be traded...

[aqua59]

4 minutes ago, HKSR said:

If these guys play up to their potential, there's no concern.  Imagine if Petey and Boeser were playing like they should be this year.  

 

Then you can see I added a solid top 4 RHD in 2024 to play with Hughes.

 

If the young guys on this team progress like they should, scoring won't be an issue.  We know this team is top 5 on defense 5v5.  We know we have a franchise goaltender.  

 

This team has shown glimpses of what they can do.  They just need to learn to play with consistency. 

I understand your point but realistically they're not going to wait for certain players to get better, too low a ceiling. 

[Harold Drunken]

11 hours ago, grandmaster said:

I totally disagree with you. This would be a fantastic deal and I’m not concerned about his age. He has a lot of heart in his game. If you look around the NHL, you will see plenty of older players that still perform at high levels at that age. They all have heart. 

That's based on alot of assumptions as well. You're assuming Miller's production doesn't dramatically fall off in his mid 30's, majority of players do and there are a few special, special players that continue to produce at a high level at that age but by no means is it likely. I would be all over them re signing Miller if we wants to stay at a reasonable price but 6+ years is too long unless is a franchise player or young corner stone.

[grandmaster]

49 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said:

That's based on alot of assumptions as well. You're assuming Miller's production doesn't dramatically fall off in his mid 30's, majority of players do and there are a few special, special players that continue to produce at a high level at that age but by no means is it likely. I would be all over them re signing Miller if we wants to stay at a reasonable price but 6+ years is too long unless is a franchise player or young corner stone.

He is our MVP so I would put him as a franchise player. If he wants to stay and at a reasonable price, I say yes. Even at 6 years. This is no Louie freaking Player Name!

[Alflives]

Just now, grandmaster said:

He is our MVP so I would put him as a franchise player. If he wants to stay and at a reasonable price, I say yes. Even at 6 years. This is no Louie freaking Player Name!

The key is “if he wants to stay” at a reasonable price.  Has Miller bought a home here?  Nope.  Is he invested into our city?  Nope.  What indications are there Miller has any interest in staying here as a UFA?  None.  His value is highest at this TDL.  Trade him, and return assets identified (by JR and PA) that help us get to where we are better than with Miller.  IMO Miller must be traded.  Get the best deal.

Garland is the guy we trade only if it’s an overpay.  

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The key is “if he wants to stay” at a reasonable price.  Has Miller bought a home here?  Nope.  Is he invested into our city?  Nope.  What indications are there Miller has any interest in staying here as a UFA?  None.  His value is highest at this TDL.  Trade him, and return assets identified (by JR and PA) that help us get to where we are better than with Miller.  IMO Miller must be traded.  Get the best deal.

Garland is the guy we trade only if it’s an overpay.  

Yup, we have very real structural and succession issues to deal with in the next few years. Particularly our mediocre, aging/expiring right side D. Unless people like the look of Poolman, Woo and Juulsen as our RD in a couple years?

 

We need to move Miller to have both the cap space and assets to address it. Extending soon to be declining Miller at +/-$9m ensures we have neither the cap, nor assets to address that.

 

Hard as it may be too move a VERY good player, there's only one right answer here.

[IBatch]

39 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yup, we have very real structural and succession issues to deal with in the next few years. Particularly our mediocre, aging/expiring right side D. Unless people like the look of Poolman, Woo and Juulsen as our RD in a couple years?

 

We need to move Miller to have both the cap space and assets to address it. Extending soon to be declining Miller at +/-$9m ensures we have neither the cap, nor assets to address that.

 

Hard as it may be too move a VERY good player, there's only one right answer here.

I actually wouldn't have a problem with our RD if we poached  Bryam out of COL.  It's ok to have a weaker side if one is very strong.     

Edited February 6, 2022 by IBatch

[aGENT]

Just now, IBatch said:

I actually wouldn't have a problem with our RD if we pouched Bryam out of COL.  It's ok to have a weaker side if one is very strong.     

If we're dealing with Colorado I'd prefer something around Compher, Newhook and Barron.

[IBatch]

Just now, aGENT said:

If we're dealing with Colorado I'd prefer something around Compher, Newhook and Barron.

That would be good too.    I've been waiting for another "Butcher" trade since, well we traded Butcher (and he was one of my favourite players back then).    I'm absolutely fine with a multi-player trade for Miller .... that said Byram would still be fine one for one.    

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

If we're dealing with Colorado I'd prefer something around Compher, Newhook and Barron.

What i'm really curious about, is what Allvin does do.  JB was never predictable, in both a good way and a bad way.   When the trades start (likely before the TDL - unless Bruce is a god and goes on yet another winning streak), i hope  it's not underwhelming, and also kind of hope he hits us with a complete curveball, but in a good way. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by IBatch

[ShawnAntoski]

Demko, EP and Hughes are the only, untouchable - right now; and everyone else, above the age of 25/26 should be put on the market.  Currently, the Canucks needs to be shedding salaries, while they go through another re loading, under a different leadership group.

 

Cautiously optimistic, that Allvin gets full value, for every player/asset traded - fingers crossed, he makes good on his presser.

 

Edited: in bold

Edited February 6, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Demko, EP and Hughes are the only, untouchable - right now and everyone else should be put on the market.  

 

Hoping Allvin gets full value, for every player/asset traded.

Agreed, but I’d add Hogs, Pods, ELC’s in Abbotsford, prospects, and picks should be untouchable too.  

[eeeeergh]

If this ends up being the case, we become a worse team, not better. JT Miller and OEL decline as they age, and our young players that get better get paid more, squeezing us for cap space...

It sucks but the reality is we have too much salary tied up in underperforming players. There's really only one path forward:

Clear up some cap space (either by moving underperformers, or moving players that are at their value peak), and then go try to find prospects, young players, reclamation projects, or hidden gems in other leagues that can all deliver greater value than their contracts would prescribe.

[ShawnAntoski]

8 hours ago, Alflives said:

Agreed, but I’d add Hogs, Pods, ELC’s in Abbotsford, prospects, and picks should be untouchable 

Should had mentioned, any player at 25 or older should be on the market cause the timeline of the team, is realistically a few years away; and keeping salaries - right now, doesn't make sense.   Just look at what, Yzerman did when he traded, a 25yr old Mantha cause he wanted cap space, Mantha didn't fit his timeline and Yzerman, knew he can trade him for full value - at that stage of his career. 

 

Keenly, watching Yzermans' patient rebuild of the Redwings; and I wonder if, the Redwings will win another cup before the Canuck - hope not !

Edited February 7, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Yup, we have very real structural and succession issues to deal with in the next few years. Particularly our mediocre, aging/expiring right side D. Unless people like the look of Poolman, Woo and Juulsen as our RD in a couple years?

 

We need to move Miller to have both the cap space and assets to address it. Extending soon to be declining Miller at +/-$9m ensures we have neither the cap, nor assets to address that.

 

Hard as it may be too move a VERY good player, there's only one right answer here.

I'm often watching other teams thinking oh man I'm so jealous how the heck did they and other teams land that young player and become so good now. Then I'm reminded of several years back when they traded a top player at the deadline for an over abundant return in order to retool for the future . For once I'd like to be that team getting ahead of the game instead of clinging on to mediocrity for dear life until we've run out of options and have to completely rebuild again. If we re-sign Miller there is a good chance we suck/middle for the next 7-9 years before bottoming out and starting again.

 

The future RD you list ... hmmm the only good thing I see is they all have double vowels following their first letter of their last name.

 

Woo

Poolman

Juulsen

 

The dreaded Wu Poo You combo

 

Uggggggggggg

[Alflives]

26 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Should had mentioned, any player at 25 or older should be on the market cause the timeline of the team, is realistically a few years away; and keeping salaries - right now, doesn't make sense.   Just look at what, Yzerman did when he traded, a 25yr old Mantha cause he wanted cap space, Mantha didn't fit his timeline and Yzerman, knew he can trade him for full value, at that stage of his career. 

 

Keenly, watching Yzermans' patient rebuild of the Redwings.  I wonder if, the Redwings will win another cup before the Canuck.   

Yzerboy made his mistake missing on getting a goalie.  Cossa is an obvious Bustaroo bonsai.  Plus, Slow Mo and Dim Wit aren’t D to build around.  No, the ?Wings are craperolla.  Plus, is there a more disgusting NHL city?  Detroit is a ****hole.

We are in a way better position with Demko, Petey, and Hughes.  Plus, we live in Vancouver.  

[Chris12345]

4 hours ago, HKSR said:

If these guys play up to their potential, there's no concern.  Imagine if Petey and Boeser were playing like they should be this year.  

 

Then you can see I added a solid top 4 RHD in 2024 to play with Hughes.

 

If the young guys on this team progress like they should, scoring won't be an issue.  We know this team is top 5 on defense 5v5.  We know we have a franchise goaltender.  

 

This team has shown glimpses of what they can do.  They just need to learn to play with consistency. 

But that is the issue around Canucks nation for so many years.

 

If I looked like Brad Pitt I'd be a movie star....

 

Petey and Brock are playing EXACTLY like they should because they are. That makes no sense haha but the if questions are dangerous.

 

 

[HKSR]

17 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

But that is the issue around Canucks nation for so many years.

 

If I looked like Brad Pitt I'd be a movie star....

 

Petey and Brock are playing EXACTLY like they should because they are. That makes no sense haha but the if questions are dangerous.

 

 

I don't know how to interpret that Brad Pitt comment lol... but as for the rest, a lot hinges on IF Miller's return pans out.  If we don't get impact players back for Miller, this team will go nowhere.  

[Chris12345]

3 minutes ago, HKSR said:

I don't know how to interpret that Brad Pitt comment lol... but as for the rest, a lot hinges on IF Miller's return pans out.  If we don't get impact players back for Miller, this team will go nowhere.  

Yea well the team isn't going anywhere anyway. 

 

When I hear "if" it makes me cringe. I realize there's an if around everything like if Miller signs or if the Canucks get a good return.

 

I just think we need to watch statements like "if" the Oilers get a goalie. "If" Petey scores 80 points etc. It can happen but there are bad, average, and above expectation projections and not every player hits above expectations at the same time.

[HKSR]

4 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

Yea well the team isn't going anywhere anyway. 

 

When I hear "if" it makes me cringe. I realize there's an if around everything like if Miller signs or if the Canucks get a good return.

 

I just think we need to watch statements like "if" the Oilers get a goalie. "If" Petey scores 80 points etc. It can happen but there are bad, average, and above expectation projections and not every player hits above expectations at the same time.

Which is fair, but everything really hinges on Petey and Boeser IMO.  If those 2 don't get going, nothing else will matter.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Which is fair, but everything really hinges on Petey and Boeser IMO.  If those 2 don't get going, nothing else will matter.

Actually, our club success hinges on Demko.  The data is already in on that matter.  When he is equal to or better than his opposite we win at about a .700 rate.  When he is stopping pucks under .880 we lose.  Demko needs to play well every game.  Petey, Boeser, Hughes, Miller, Bo, etc can have bad games here and there and we will still win providing Demko plays well.