A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!

[HKSR]

So I went ahead and reviewed each and every one of GMJB's trades as a Canuck.  Contrary to what many of you have been saying, he won far more trades than he lost. 

 

In fact, the way I look at it, he won 23 trades, lost 7 of them, and the other 20 were really insignificant or were fair for both teams.  Have a look yourself...

[kanucks25]

No bias here with any of these evaluations.

 

Definitely no other context required for any of these, as well.

 

Fantastic job, OP.

 

[Zhukini]

Yup his excellent trade and signing records over the last 7 years have us set up for a cup this year or next. 

[Odd.]

Loving some of these detailed threads you’ve been making OP. Can’t say I disagree with any of that.

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, Zhukini said:

Yup his excellent trade and signing records over the last 7 years have us set up for a cup this year or next. 

This is simply an evaluation of his trades.  I never mentioned signings or even draft picks here.

[HKSR]

Just now, Odd. said:

Loving some of these detailed threads you’ve been making OP. Can’t say I disagree with any of that.

Gonna be ending soon... my boss came back today lmao

[Odd.]

My goodness, I thought I’d never hear Dane Fox’s name again. I remember thinking he was the next Gretzky or something 

[Zhukini]

It's easy to say wow Jim soon 23 trades and only lost 6. 

 

But if you're including things like. Leivo for Carcone as a clear W but saying Etem for Jensen is just a Draw? The numbers are obviously skewed here.

Giving the Mazanec trade a straight W just because he was part of the Miller trade?

 

Like come on. 

 

[Shekky]

 

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Could of been something I would agree its a draw but if JB had the pick he might of picked someone else and who knows who would of that been so I would say it would be leaning closer to a loss as a 2nd round pick is better then what Vey brought to the team. With the Subban trade as well I wish they had given him a bit more of a look might of been something more there though I think he would of been better as a forward instead of defenceman. Even though I wished he got a better look he clearly hasn't been able to translate his game to the NHL level though.

[HKSR]

15 minutes ago, Zhukini said:

It's easy to say wow Jim soon 23 trades and only lost 6. 

 

But if you're including things like. Leivo for Carcone as a clear W but saying Etem for Jensen is just a Draw? The numbers are obviously skewed here.

Giving the Mazanec trade a straight W just because he was part of the Miller trade?

 

Like come on. 

 

Ok, so why would Leivo for Carcone be considered anything else but a W?  At least give me a reason why.

 

Sure, you can take the W away from the Mazanec trade, but that's 1 out of 23.  So 22 wins and 8 losses.  Keep going.

 

EDIT:  Actually, if we really wanna break it down.  I'd give the Etem and Jensen trade a W.  Jensen played 7 games with NYR and got 0 points and that was it.  Etem played 39 games with Vancouver and had 7 goals and 5 assists.  So a W makes more sense.  Thanks!  LMAO

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by HKSR

[HKSR]

6 minutes ago, Shekky said:

 

Could of been something I would agree its a draw but if JB had the pick he might of picked someone else and who knows who would of that been so I would say it would be leaning closer to a loss as a 2nd round pick is better then what Vey brought to the team. With the Subban trade as well I wish they had given him a bit more of a look might of been something more there though I think he would of been better as a forward instead of defenceman. Even though I wished he got a better look he clearly hasn't been able to translate his game to the NHL level though.

The only problem with altering what actually happened is that we could do that with all the trades.  This was simply looking in hindsight with 20/20 vision.  What actually happened once the trades played out.

[spook007]

Maybe have a few more draws as in insignificant, but yes tend to agree. Put up like this he won more trades than given credit for. 

[Tank4Bedard]

OEL trade was trash. Sure, he might be a decent top 4 D man right now, but imagine 3-4 years down the line with a 7.26M cap hit. Sure he may still be an NHL D, but at 7.26. HELL NO 

 

Garland is good, but at the expense of taking OEL and giving Guenther no thanks. It was a save my job trade..

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, DontMessMe said:

OEL trade was trash. Sure, he might be a decent top 4 D man right now, but imagine 3-4 years down the line with a 7.26M cap hit. Sure he may still be an NHL D, but at 7.26. HELL NO 

 

Garland is good, but at the expense of taking OEL and giving Guenther no thanks. It was a save my job trade..

That one is gonna be analyzed for a long time.  If Guenther turns into a 40 goal scorer, then yeah, an easy LOSS for sure.  What if he doesn't turn into anything?  What if the 2nd round pick turns into a dud too?  Reality is it is too early to call... but for now I gave it a W because of Garland and OEL's defensive play. 

[FaninMex]

3 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

OEL trade was trash. Sure, he might be a decent top 4 D man right now, but imagine 3-4 years down the line with a 7.26M cap hit. Sure he may still be an NHL D, but at 7.26. HELL NO 

 

Garland is good, but at the expense of taking OEL and giving Guenther no thanks. It was a save my job trade..

Do you win every week at the Lotto too?

[Tank4Bedard]

5 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

Do you win every week at the Lotto too?

Was the trade necessary? We wouldve had so much cap space free this coming off season... 

[Phil_314]

It's tough to say that the Toffoli trade was a draw.  Sure, Madden and the 2nd round pick might not pan out, but the fact that we treated our team like it was ready to go on a run and making a go-for-it kind of move with a trade like that just shows that he lacks long-term vision, when the team's defense was bailed out by Markstrom and Demko.

Also, it's crazy to see how fragile Juolevi turned out to be, he's missed more time due to Covid or injury than he's played.  Lammikko has been surprisingly good lately, and agreed that Juulsen is serviceable.  

[Tank4Bedard]

6 minutes ago, HKSR said:

That one is gonna be analyzed for a long time.  If Guenther turns into a 40 goal scorer, then yeah, an easy LOSS for sure.  What if he doesn't turn into anything?  What if the 2nd round pick turns into a dud too?  Reality is it is too early to call... but for now I gave it a W because of Garland and OEL's defensive play. 

My main issue is OEL's contract. One of the worse contracts in the league, probably #2 to Jeff Skinner's contract 

[DrJockitch]

Context is important.  

A lot of these trades were made to get rid of players that never should have been brought in.

I will say though that I thought he got better at making trades but generally didn't believe he was making them for right reasons and had a very skewed evaluation of where the team was or its timeline to be competitive.

I also think you need to look at the overall results of these trades and bad signings was the loss of heart and sole core players like Markstrom and Tanev for nothing.  End result is us being in a position where we are not a playoff team, are capped out and the prospect cupboards are shockingly bare for a team early in a rebuild.

Edited February 4, 2022 by DrJockitch

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, DontMessMe said:

My main issue is OEL's contract. One of the worse contracts in the league, probably #2 to Jeff Skinner's contract 

I don't completely agree with that.  I believe the analytics show OEL is actually one of the best defencemen in the league this season for his defensive prowess... the issue is his offensive output.  I attribute a LOT of that to the fact Hughes is the offensive guy in every situation, so OEL's offensive opportunities have dried up considerably.  90% of the time, Hughes plays 1.5min of a power play.  OEL comes out for scraps lol.

 

OEL is probably being paid $1M more than he should be, but that hardly makes him useless.