ruilin96 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, lmm said: so there are 8 players left from that playoff bubble run and there is talk some of them will be traded There is talk that making the playoffs helps a team grow and yet the 8 players left from that "Experience" are the players still not ready to play the last 2 games (EXCEPT FOR Demko, he was ready) that playoff experience cost us a 1st + a 3rd for Miller a 2nd for Toffoli and potential returns on Markstom Tanev Fantenberg Stetcher was it worth it? Yes, it gave this core of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Demko a taste of how great it is to play in the playoffs and how good they could be in a do or die situation. This is crucial as if we didn't have that run, I believe we would already hear a lot more players wanting out at this point. Also, the problem isn't letting these free agents you mentioned walk for nothing, it is why they walk for nothing. Benning failed misearably in the free agency period from 2016-2018 is the reason why we couldn't keep the names you mentioned above. Out of the names you mention, the ones I really miss is Tanev and Toffoli and to an extend, Stecher. Tanev imo it is exactly the type of D-man this team is missing right now. Keeping Toffoli should've been a no brainer as he fitted in so well with the team. The failure of Benning in the 2020 off-season is in excusable. I have said all along, I don't hate the trade to acquire Toffoli, I hate how he never even attempted to re-sign him and let him walk for nothing. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 As usual, I'm going to play both sides on Halak. Yes, the team hung him out to dry, but if we're being honest, they've had starts not much better during the season.....the difference is, Demmer would bail them out until they got their legs going....They absolutely needed a couple of big saves from Jaro last night and they didn't get them... That being said, Halak has had games this season where he would have been justified for suing the rest of the squad for non support. These things have a way of balancing out over the course of a season. The Canucks' brass won't say so publicly, but they're probably disappointed in the goaltending last night, however, I don't believe they're disappointed in the job Halak has done for the bulk of the season. Take the positives from the 2nd and 3rd periods and move on..... Oh and BTW: Duncan Keith can kiss my posterior. Karma is a b!tch..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, DefCon1 said: But Benning ran out of time trying to chase OEL and his huge 7 year contract After the 2020 playoffs, I think he started to listen to Weisbrod more which was not smart of him. I just think of all the scenarios if we had kept Tanev. our PK would be so good, we could go get a pure offensive defenseman to play with him, and we'd have 2 insanely good defence pairings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Duncan Keith taking a powder in order to be 'injured' for the duration of the season to avoid that train wreck. Halak hung out to dry, 4 of 5 goals not really his fault. ie: puck going 3 ft wide bounces off a skate only to go in? with ANY puck luck the Canucks would have won that game 8-6. Sorokin had at least 4 toe-nail saves plus Hogz beat him clean only to clang it off the iron. I liked our final 40 min. effort. I wonder which of our teams shows up on Sat against the Leafs. it'll probably be 6-2, but could be for either team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) The team would often start poorly under Green The team often starts poorly under B.B. Maybe the team is the problem and not the coach? Something was wrong, and it still remains wrong. Is it fitness? A lack of a certain type of player/attitude? Too small? Play too small? Too many players waiting to see how others will play before deciding to get in the game? something was and something is, still wrong. Edited February 10, 2022 by gurn 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: I just think of all the scenarios if we had kept Tanev. our PK would be so good, we could go get a pure offensive defenseman to play with him, and we'd have 2 insanely good defence pairings.. I love Tanev and it was tough to see him go, but I get why they did. For whatever reason he couldn't stay healthy in Van 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Speaking of classy: Nice one Rupert... He deserves all he gets dirty b he is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I'm not really getting the doom and gloom, they're still playing very good hockey overall. Every team has off games, off periods. I loved their pushback after the 1st. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, EddieVedder said: We arent getting crouse for useless boeser. All he does is stand around and wait for pucks to deflect off his stick. Boeser is a proven 50-60 point player. Crouse is not. We’d actually be taking the most risk in that trade but I’m all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm not really getting the doom and gloom, they're still playing very good hockey overall. Every team has off games, off periods. I loved their pushback after the 1st. Every team has off games but the good ones have them very infrequently. They looked like a harder working team since BB arrived but that first period was unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, stawns said: I love Tanev and it was tough to see him go, but I get why they did. For whatever reason he couldn't stay healthy in Van Probably the passive defensive system we've played all these years. A higher likelihood of injury when all you are doing is retreating to retrieve pucks and get hammered or stand in front of the net playing goalie in front of the goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, CanucksJay said: Every team has off games but the good ones have them very infrequently. They looked like a harder working team since BB arrived but that first period was unacceptable There's no such thing as "unacceptable". That's a meaningless platitude you say in public. You accept you had a bad period and move on........what are they going to do, fire everyone? They played two excellent periods after that, I'm happy with that. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, ruilin96 said: Yes, it gave this core of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Demko a taste of how great it is to play in the playoffs and how good they could be in a do or die situation. This is crucial as if we didn't have that run, I believe we would already hear a lot more players wanting out at this point. Also, the problem isn't letting these free agents you mentioned walk for nothing, it is why they walk for nothing. Benning failed misearably in the free agency period from 2016-2018 is the reason why we couldn't keep the names you mentioned above. Out of the names you mention, the ones I really miss is Tanev and Toffoli and to an extend, Stecher. Tanev imo it is exactly the type of D-man this team is missing right now. Keeping Toffoli should've been a no brainer as he fitted in so well with the team. The failure of Benning in the 2020 off-season is in excusable. I have said all along, I don't hate the trade to acquire Toffoli, I hate how he never even attempted to re-sign him and let him walk for nothing. Yes. The emergence of Demko in the Vegas series alone from that run was worth it. We also saw that Petey, Hughes, and Bo are playoff performers. Benning's f*ck up was letting all three of Tanev, Marky, and Toffoli walk. Marky makes sense because Demko was the plan. Virtanen over Toffoli was obviously a mistake in hindsight but it also is understandable -- Virtanen was on pace for 20 goals and was cheaper. But letting Tanev, a backbone of our defence for close to 10 years along with Edler, walk and replace him with inferior Hamonic was stupid. He had to find a way to keep Tanev. And he did something even worse: he re-signed Green and Baumer after that disaster finish in the North division. lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, stawns said: I love Tanev and it was tough to see him go, but I get why they did. For whatever reason he couldn't stay healthy in Van Thats very true. Its hard to justify spending 4m/year for a player htat only gives you half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, stawns said: There's no such thing as "unacceptable". That's a meaningless platitude you say in public. You accept you had a bad period and move on........what are they going to do, fire everyone? They played two excellent periods after that, I'm happy with that. I think there may have been a bit of a strategic adjustment to play a bit more conservatively and that didn't pay off? The forecheck in the first period sucked. They got it going again in the 2nd and that helped the team to play better. Lammikko wasn't as good without his two feisty wingers. Dowling was hesitant unlike Highmore and Chiasson, well, the puck was gone well before he could get anywhere. Given that we missed Hughes, I think the team played decently well offensively in the 2nd and 3rd. Petey was flying. He looked light and encouraged by the fact that he gets to run his own line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Thats very true. Its hard to justify spending 4m/year for a player htat only gives you half a season. lol we are paying 3 mil for a player that doesn't even give you quarter of a season in Hamonic now. Sutter has been able to keep Tanev healthy thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, gurn said: The team would often start poorly under Green The team often starts poorly under B.B. Maybe the team is the problem and not the coach? Something was wrong, and it still remains wrong. Is it fitness? A lack of a certain type of player/attitude? Too small? Play too small? Too many players waiting to see how others will play before deciding to get in the game? something was and something is, still wrong. This is what i'm thinking. We need our leaders to dictate play at the start of games rather than wait to see who amongst their teammates is going to make things happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, stawns said: There's no such thing as "unacceptable". That's a meaningless platitude you say in public. You accept you had a bad period and move on........what are they going to do, fire everyone? They played two excellent periods after that, I'm happy with that. Isn't that why coaches bench players during games or choose healthy scratches to send a message ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, gurn said: The team would often start poorly under Green The team often starts poorly under B.B. Maybe the team is the problem and not the coach? Something was wrong, and it still remains wrong. Is it fitness? A lack of a certain type of player/attitude? Too small? Play too small? Too many players waiting to see how others will play before deciding to get in the game? something was and something is, still wrong. Well not going to say told you so yet. But getting closer. I think at this time we can say the "Bruce Bump" is over. Even if we go on another winning streak, Green did that often enough as well. It's like a yo-yo with this team. For whatever reasons few players are on at the same time lol. That said we do have some that come to play every night - QHs, Myers, Motte, OEL (yes last night wasn't a good one for him), Garland Demko and Miller. Highmore and Schenn too. To bad EP (one of his better games) and BB haven't got the memo yet. It's frustrating but it's also been like this most of our entire history. Imagine if the Sedins peaked early while Naslund was doing his thing!? Even Cloutier league worst playoff save percentage for goalies who've played 25 games in the post season wouldn't matter. Ugh . Back to .500 (again isn't this the third time we could work on getting past one game above .500?!).. Sucks to be so bad and so good at the same time. That's the Canucks way though isn't it? Rather be bad bad bad and then good good great. Love our team and always want them to win. But maybe the best medicine right now is re-setting an unfinished rebuild. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorwasgreat Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jayinblack said: This is what i'm thinking. We need our leaders to dictate play at the start of games rather than wait to see who amongst their teammates is going to make things happen. I agree , if BB could bring out the “angry” in Bo , he could be a force on the ice. I just never see him setting the tone physically. He has all the qualities of great captain except for a mean streak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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