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In light of Toffoli's trade, I wanted to look back and see what could have transpired had covid not impacted the world (and our Canucks).

 

If Covid did not happen, I believe the team GMJB was putting together would have been a contender at this point.  Alas, covid did happen, and the rest is history. 

 

DISCLAIMER:  THE FOLLOWING ARE ALL ASSUMPTIONS LOOKING AT A 'WHAT IF' SCENARIO WHERE COVID NEVER HAPPENED....

 

Prior to covid, the cap was slated to go up by as much as $4M or even more.  So because of that, GMJB managed to keep Tanev AND Toffoli!  They re-signed at the same AAV and term that they did with Montreal and Calgary respectively.

 

Keeping Tanev and Toffoli, GMJB felt he still needed to dump cap, and so he did in fact pull the same trigger he did to unload Player Name, Beagle, and Roussel.  In comes OEL and Garland.

 

Covid had no impact on Virtanen's stupidity, so he's gone as per usual.

 

Gaudette is still traded away for Highmore.  Juolevi is still traded away for Lamikko/Juulsen.

 

Since we have Tanev, there was no need to re-sign Hamonic.  We did, however, re-sign Fantenberg because he awesome for the price of his contract and we needed LHD.

 

We don't go out and sign Dickinson, and of course, Sutter never gets covid since it doesn't exist. 

 

Unfortunately, it was still time for Edler to move on.

 

The cap moving forward only goes up by a measly $2M per year, but it's enough to re-sign Miller, Horvat, and Boeser without much issue.

 

Alas... what could have been... your 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks roster... :(

 

Miller-Petey-Boeser

Garland-Bo-Toffoli

Pearson-Sutter-Podz

Motte-Lamikko-Highmore

Hogs

 

Hughes-Tanev

OEL-Myers

Fantenberg-Schenn

Rathbone-Burroughs

 

Demko

Halak

 

Cap space galore moving forward, and yet we can still ice a team like this.... it's REALLY unfortunate that covid impacted us so badly...

 

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2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

No doubt about it... but to see what could have happened is pretty depressing... and to see how much of an impact covid had is pretty incredible.

Personally feel it's a half-full/empty, subjective thing. Painting with broad strokes, a lot of positive has occurred too. If we were all F***ing potters, JB sourced us a sh*t-tonne of clay to work with. Ok, he blew up the kiln & we got thrown off that property..but hey, we pick up & start over from a new point.

 

Like the Miller trade, for example. We lose a 1st - but how much joy has watching this guy's pt-a-gm few yrs brought this fanbase?

Miller ENSURED our kids got a PO-taste. Now we may recycle him into a second tonne of top-notch clay(picks, youth, etc...) to mold.

 

Or Marky's Vegas-injury? Appeared lousy luck at the time, didn't it? If that didn't happen, TD is gone today(due to expansion, he'd have been moved). He set our world on fire, 18 mos back - was so bloody epic!

 

JB left this franch soooooo much better off than Gillis did - even if it was accidental.

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2 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Personally feel it's a half-full/empty, subjective thing. Painting with broad strokes, a lot of positive has occurred too. If we were all F***ing potters, JB sourced us a sh*t-tonne of clay to work with. Ok, he blew up the kiln & we got thrown off that property..but hey, we pick up & start over from a new point.

 

Like the Miller trade, for example. We lose a 1st - but how much joy has watching this guy's pt-a-gm few yrs brought this fanbase?

Miller ENSURED our kids got a PO-taste. Now we may recycle him into a second tonne of top-notch clay(picks, youth, etc...) to mold.

 

Or Marky's Vegas-injury? Appeared lousy luck at the time, didn't it? If that didn't happen, TD is gone today(due to expansion, he'd have been moved). He set our world on fire, 18 mos back - was so bloody epic!

 

JB left this franch soooooo much better off than Gillis did - even if it was accidental.

And that's the thing, we never drafted a player of this calibre under Gillis, who would've presumably been an important piece of the franchise. (Miller was not a high 1st round pick either). It's EXACTLY the point about "well it's been 7 years ago". If Gillis could've drafted worth a damn, we wouldn't even have to pay for a 1st to begin with, or it could've been used on another piece.

 

Gillis traded away a 1st for Keith freaking Ballard. It is worth noting that the 1st ended up not being an NHL player, but it was roughly the same price paid by Benning in Miller. Gillis never got better at trading, nor drafting when examining it from start to finish, yet he is heralded as this 'great' GM.

 

Everything today was due to the complications of the past.

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12 minutes ago, Kovalchuk said:

Man this is like being crazy over an ex-girlfriend.  It's been nearly a decade since Gillis was around.  Time to move on, there's been plenty enough time to reverse any damage Gillis did.

 

And when anyone complains about Gillis it's quite easy to respond with.... We were literally one game away from building a Mike Gillis statue outside the arena.  

 

Stop it

A decade would've helped this team a lot. Instead, we went to opposite direction from being so close to being so far. I am well aware of how close the game was, yet it was still a 4-0 loss. Not really "literally" close.

 

Moreover, excuses are always made for Gillis. "One game away". Gillis also drained the riches of the team, while giving nothing back (regardless of the cup win or not). The absolute ass drafting was not because Gillis was "winning". The awful trading involving big pieces was not because Gillis was 'pressured' to win. They were just bad decisions.

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3 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

A decade would've helped this team a lot. Instead, we went to opposite direction from being so close to being so far. I am well aware of how close the game was, yet it was still a 4-0 loss. Not really "literally" close.

 

Moreover, excuses are always made for Gillis. "One game away". Gillis also drained the riches of the team, while giving nothing back (regardless of the cup win or not). The absolute ass drafting was not because Gillis was "winning". The awful trading involving big pieces was not because Gillis was 'pressured' to win. They were just bad decisions.

Yeah and he made some good decisions too and his results were the best in franchise history.. Saying he gave nothing back is crazy, that was the best Canucks hockey we've ever seen in our lives.  You can post about it if you want I'm just telling you it looks a bit crazy to be complaining about a GM from 8 years ago and who got us 1 win away from a cup.  

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56 minutes ago, Kovalchuk said:

Yeah and he made some good decisions too and his results were the best in franchise history.. Saying he gave nothing back is crazy, that was the best Canucks hockey we've ever seen in our lives.  You can post about it if you want I'm just telling you it looks a bit crazy to be complaining about a GM from 8 years ago and who got us 1 win away from a cup.  

And yet the downplaying of his failures should be mentioned in the same breath of his successes. There is SO MUCH of history that is glossed out, especially with respect to his drafting. For a team like the Canucks that hadn't drafted that well to begin with, failing to draft minus Horvat and Hodgson (both of whom were high first round picks) is a ticking timer.


In the end, there was no depth. That is all that matters. You keep bringing up the cup that almost came, but you ignore the failures involved with the decisions to gamble.

 

Gillis was no safe gambler either.

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2 hours ago, Kovalchuk said:

Yeah and he made some good decisions too and his results were the best in franchise history.. Saying he gave nothing back is crazy, that was the best Canucks hockey we've ever seen in our lives.  You can post about it if you want I'm just telling you it looks a bit crazy to be complaining about a GM from 8 years ago and who got us 1 win away from a cup.  

It looks bat$&!# crazy 

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What if we never traded Cam Neely for a bag of pucks?  What if we never traded a bag of pucks for Marcus Naslund? What if the world really is flat? Lots of what ifs out there. Unfortunately the only certain is Canucks are not making he playoffs once again, and our once thought of up and coming cup contending "rebuilt" team was exposed and were back to our same old, same old. One more certain... Our acceptance of decades with mederocacey. Maybe next year....

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