Bruins article on potential JT Miller cost

[Dazzle]

https://bostonhockeynow.com/2022/02/15/boston-bruins-now-know-trade-cost-for-j-t-miller/

 

If the Boston Bruins were wondering what it’s going to cost to land Vancouver Canucks forward JT Miller, they discovered the trade market value ahead of next month’s deadline with the Tyler Toffoli trade to the Calgary Flames.

The struggling Montreal Canadiens sent their solid 29-year-old winger to Calgary to be reunited with Darryl Sutter in exchange for a 2022 first-round pick, a 2024 fifth-round pick, bottom-6 forward Tyler Pitlick, and prospect Emil Heineman. It’s a clear sign by the Calgary Flames that they are going for it this season with a talented core group that currently sits second in the Pacific Division, and a clear waving of the white flag by the hapless Habs.

But for Boston’s interests, it’s the similarity between Toffoli and Miller that’s so interesting. They are comparable veteran forwards that both have additional years on their contracts, so they would be considered comparable in many ways. The 28-year-old Miller might have the upper hand given that he’s got that one 27-goal, a 74-point campaign under his belt, and given the versatility that allows him to play both center and wing.

Then again Toffoli has the advantage when it comes to playoff experience as a Stanley Cup winner that’s posted 16 goals in 76 career playoff games and been to the Stanley Cup Finals twice in his career with the Kings (2014) and the Canadiens just last season.

The bottom line for the Boston Bruins: The bar has been set for Miller’s value with one more year on his contract with a $5.25 million cap hit. It’s going to cost them a first-round pick, an additional draft pick, a top prospect like Jack Studnicka, and a roster player like Jake DeBrusk to replace the outgoing Miller. The question is whether Studnicka would be enough to get the deal done, or whether a team like the Canucks would demand first round pick Fabian Lysell after the speedy Swede light it up for the WHL’s Vancouver Giants all season. The 19-year-old Lysell has 15 goals and 34 points in 30 games for the Giants this season and is clearly on a lot of team’s radars as we enter the funny season for trade chatter and all kinds of rumors ahead of the deadline.

There’s little question that Miller could help the Bruins. He’s got over 150 goals and 400 points in his 604 game career, and his 17 goals and 48 points this season would rank third and second respectively amongst the current Boston Bruins roster. He also brings a little thump to his game as everyone remembers from this Miller hit on David Backes during the playoffs a few years’ back that knocked the power forward out of the series.

 

I disagree that Miller and Toffoli are "comparable". The fact that Miller is a center AND a winger destroys the comparison article right then and there. This means that Miller is easily worth allt of the above, PLUS more.

[King Heffy]

Lysell, 1st is still an underpayment.  Don't want DeBrusk.

 

[DeNiro]

If teams think a first and a prospect get it done forget about it.

 

We can get a deal like that in the offseason.

 

No motivation for us to trade him until we can see what his contract ask is if that’s the case.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

I like Jack Studnicka, but he shouldn't be the focal point of that deal. The deal has to start at least with Lysell and a first. Studnicka would be a tertiary piece in that deal along with something else either another pick or perhaps take a dman prospect from them.

[Jester13]

We need a right-handed defenceman, and not B prospect like JS. I'm a little surprised that a team hasn't given a better off yet, but I guess it goes to show there isn't a very large sense of urgency with interested teams before the deadline. Maybe they'll up their price  just in time before the deadline, but it sure seems like teams might just keep their cupboards full rather than going for it, which would also say that they don't think they're ready or that close to contending, even with Miller. 

[nux_win]

Hockey writers all seem to agree: Vancouver is nothing more than a farm system for "successful" teams.  I question the assumption that Miller needs to be traded at all.  I think that we should start trying to win some games ourselves.  Now.  I know this is an unpopular opinion but so be it.  GCG!

Edited February 16, 2022 by nux_win

[DrJockitch]

Seems DeBrusk is negative value given contract and production. 

[BCNate]

I'd do 1st, Lysell, Zobril.

 

Studnicka is entering bust territory.  He has 5 points in 5 years since he was drafted.  

[DeNiro]

Just now, BCNate said:

I'd do 1st, Lysell, Zobril.

 

Studnicka is entering bust territory.  He has 5 points in 5 years since he was drafted.  

[Crimson]

21 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

If teams think a first and a prospect get it done forget about it.

 

We can get a deal like that in the offseason.

 

No motivation for us to trade him until we can see what his contract ask is if that’s the case.

That would be brutal.  The team acquiring him could just flip him at next year's deadline to recoup the entire cost.

[DeNiro]

Just now, Crimson said:

That would be brutal.  The team acquiring him could just flip him at next year's deadline to recoup the entire cost.

Pretty much.

 

That’s why some of these trade proposals from other teams fans are ridiculous. Why would we trade him for anything less than a huge haul?

 

Fair value can be had at any point. Even up until next years trade deadline.

[73 Percent]

6 minutes ago, BCNate said:

I'd do 1st, Lysell, Zobril.

 

Studnicka is entering bust territory.  He has 5 points in 5 years since he was drafted.  

What's zorbil then? He's played 50 games and he's 25 lol

[IBatch]

Think that we've got to be thinking Calgary lol.   Because isn't that where all the ex JB crew seems to want to go? 

[eeeeergh]

54 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

https://bostonhockeynow.com/2022/02/15/boston-bruins-now-know-trade-cost-for-j-t-miller/

 

If the Boston Bruins were wondering what it’s going to cost to land Vancouver Canucks forward JT Miller, they discovered the trade market value ahead of next month’s deadline with the Tyler Toffoli trade to the Calgary Flames.

The struggling Montreal Canadiens sent their solid 29-year-old winger to Calgary to be reunited with Darryl Sutter in exchange for a 2022 first-round pick, a 2024 fifth-round pick, bottom-6 forward Tyler Pitlick, and prospect Emil Heineman. It’s a clear sign by the Calgary Flames that they are going for it this season with a talented core group that currently sits second in the Pacific Division, and a clear waving of the white flag by the hapless Habs.

But for Boston’s interests, it’s the similarity between Toffoli and Miller that’s so interesting. They are comparable veteran forwards that both have additional years on their contracts, so they would be considered comparable in many ways. The 28-year-old Miller might have the upper hand given that he’s got that one 27-goal, a 74-point campaign under his belt, and given the versatility that allows him to play both center and wing.

Then again Toffoli has the advantage when it comes to playoff experience as a Stanley Cup winner that’s posted 16 goals in 76 career playoff games and been to the Stanley Cup Finals twice in his career with the Kings (2014) and the Canadiens just last season.

The bottom line for the Boston Bruins: The bar has been set for Miller’s value with one more year on his contract with a $5.25 million cap hit. It’s going to cost them a first-round pick, an additional draft pick, a top prospect like Jack Studnicka, and a roster player like Jake DeBrusk to replace the outgoing Miller. The question is whether Studnicka would be enough to get the deal done, or whether a team like the Canucks would demand first round pick Fabian Lysell after the speedy Swede light it up for the WHL’s Vancouver Giants all season. The 19-year-old Lysell has 15 goals and 34 points in 30 games for the Giants this season and is clearly on a lot of team’s radars as we enter the funny season for trade chatter and all kinds of rumors ahead of the deadline.

There’s little question that Miller could help the Bruins. He’s got over 150 goals and 400 points in his 604 game career, and his 17 goals and 48 points this season would rank third and second respectively amongst the current Boston Bruins roster. He also brings a little thump to his game as everyone remembers from this Miller hit on David Backes during the playoffs a few years’ back that knocked the power forward out of the series.

 

I disagree that Miller and Toffoli are "comparable". The fact that Miller is a center AND a winger destroys the comparison article right then and there. This means that Miller is easily worth allt of the above, PLUS more.

Absolutely right, Miller and Toffoli are not remotely comparable. Miller is a 1C that can play any forward position and can take over a game. Toffolio is a great complementary piece for a team's top 6, but wont be winning you any games by himself. 

0 interest in Debrusk. 

and sorry why would we want Studnicka? 

They want to basically trade us a late first, another pick, a Kole Lind equivalent, and a massive bust RFA that the Bruins likely wont even qualify for Miller. 

Lmao. 

[NUCKER67]

F*** Boston

We want all of their good prospects, thanks

 

[BCNate]

20 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

What's zorbil then? He's played 50 games and he's 25 lol

I really like his game.  I think he has a ton of potential.  He was slower to develop though for sure, turns 25 next week.

[eeeeergh]

2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

F*** Boston

We want all of their good prospects, thanks

 

Give us a 1st, a 2nd, Lysell, and Lohrei. 

[NUCKER67]

17 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Give us a 1st, a 2nd, Lysell, and Lohrei. 

For Garland?   

[Gawdzukes]

59 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

We need a right-handed defenceman, and not B prospect like JS. I'm a little surprised that a team hasn't given a better off yet, but I guess it goes to show there isn't a very large sense of urgency with interested teams before the deadline. Maybe they'll up their price  just in time before the deadline, but it sure seems like teams might just keep their cupboards full rather than going for it, which would also say that they don't think they're ready or that close to contending, even with Miller. 

Keep in mind the deadline is over a month away. Most years action doesn't heat up until a week or two away. In addition, there may well be offers tabled that we don't know about. In fact we don't actually have any clue what the Rangers offered. It's too early to get a read on what teams are looking at.

[Jester13]

Just now, Gawdzukes said:

Keep in mind the deadline is over a month away. Most years action doesn't heat up until a week or two away. In addition, there may well be offers tabled that we don't know about. In fact we don't actually have any clue what the Rangers offered. It's too early to get a read on what teams are looking at.

True, but the reports are they have tabled an underwhelming offer, so I'm not so sure they are terribly interested in selling their cupboard for Miller. NY is still young, so I'll be very surprised to see them part with Schneider, Laf, or Kakko, as we all hope they will.