Patrik Allvin on Canucks Hour

[MrCanuck94]

Did my best to create short notes on Allvin's interview with Drance today, here it is:

 

- Very busy, mostly hotel to the rink, long hours.

- Immediately after playing career got hired by Montreal as a scout.

- In 2006 after the changes in Pittsburgh, began working for them.

- You can't become perfect and learn everything about the game, likes to learn every day and never be satisfied, what drives him.

- Likes being a detailed guy and process driven. Wants structure and process within the organization, makes decision making easier.

- Talking about success in Pittsburgh and how they were able to get great production from relatively unknown players - creating a culture and environment to empower people, standards and expectations are high within the ice and higher within the hockey ops. Want to be better everyday. After you win the cup, its a relief, but immediately after it's important to figure out how to be better. Important to have a lot of quality people around with input and knowledge and work towards the same goal.

- His keys to success within acquiring talent and development was the structure in place and the trust towards him in doing the job.

- Abbotsford has a lot of good people in place. Wants to get the identity of the Vancouver Canucks in place, put a structure in place and get in the work to make the team successful. Ryan Johnson has done a tremendous job. Wants to help him with resources and have a plan and structure for each player. Each player has a different path to the NHL, it isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Don't want a 50 games and done player, wants long term success in the NHL.

- Needs to challenge staff with every decision because alone a GM can't base a decision on a few games based on self opinion. Every decision will be made based on the process of opinions from scouts and staff members.

- Has been impressed with Jim Rutherford's open mindedness. JR really trusts and empowers staff, doesn't want people who always agree with him, neither does Allvin.

- Still wants to evaluate the team more. Wants to get to know the staff and players more.

- First impressions of the team - gives players credit for fighting back from a rough start. Credit to coaching staff and players for putting themselves in a position to compete for a playoff spot.

- No rush to do anything. Going to use the 5 weeks to watch the team closely and get to know the players better.

- Good teams need a good pipeline of players. Need internal competition. Wants to create an environment to attract College and European free agents to come to Vancouver/Abbotsford to become better and be part of a winning culture.

- Will utilize the quality of the staff to hear everyone's opinion on how they see things to decide what to do moving forward.

- Wants to be a good team over time, not just one season, that's what decisions will be based on.

 

IMO, JR and PA are doing well to posture the team into a stronger trading position by not acting desperate to make moves. Will be fun to see this team progress moving forward.

[Coconuts]

Sounds like he's still settling in, which is to be expected. Taking time to make deliberate moves will probably benefit the team, especially with the deadline on the horizon. 

 

Sounds like he's high on the folks running Abbotsford, hopefully he's able to help them develop more NHL caliber players for us. That's been an issue since acquiring a team and having it in Utica, we haven't had many players come through the pipeline. Our top prospects skipped over the AHL entirely. If this team wants to have sustained success it'll need Abbotsford to develop internal options who can step into roster spots and be cost effective. That's the reality of competing under a salary cap, the best teams find ways to integrate their own prospects. 

 

I like what I'm hearing about management as a whole, it being an open and collaborative group likely makes for better decisions. 

[HKSR]

I hear your chances of success increases once you have a Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, and Kris Letang trio in your core.  The other guys just kinda fall into place after that.

[Jaimito]

[Canucks Hour] Vancouver Canucks' GM Patrik Allvin joins the show #canucksHour 

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[MrCanuck94]

4 minutes ago, HKSR said:

I hear your chances of success increases once you have a Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, and Kris Letang trio in your core.  The other guys just kinda fall into place after that.

The "other" guys do not simply fall into place. The last 8 years of our organization and many other organizations around the league that struggle with depth should be an easy example of that.

 

Pittsburgh was and is one of the best organizations at finding unknown talent and developing them into key contributors throughout the line up.

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, MrCanuck94 said:

The "other" guys do not simply fall into place. The last 8 years of our organization and many other organizations around the league that struggle with depth should be an easy example of that.

 

Pittsburgh was and is one of the best organizations at finding unknown talent and developing them into key contributors throughout the line up.

If you don't think having Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin down the middle helps with developing players, then I don't know what to say to ya.  

 

Pittsburgh develops fantastic wingers.  I wonder why? Hmmmm....

[The Lock]

I remember having a debate with someone who thought Allvin was there to be a "yes man" kind of person for JR. I'm glad what I thought in terms of that not being the case seems to be holding true so far as that was something I didn't want to be wrong on.

[The Lock]

24 minutes ago, HKSR said:

If you don't think having Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin down the middle helps with developing players, then I don't know what to say to ya.  

 

Pittsburgh develops fantastic wingers.  I wonder why? Hmmmm....

There's a difference though between those 2 players helping and having actual talent to help them out as well. Not every winger is going to pan out no matter who you have as your center. Do you truly think it's ONLY Crosby and Malkin as to why those wingers play well? Like are you just falling on absolutes here? Can it not be a combination of factors and not just Crosby and Malkin?

Edited February 16, 2022 by The Lock

[Oregon.Duck]

 

53 minutes ago, HKSR said:

If you don't think having Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin down the middle helps with developing players, then I don't know what to say to ya.  

 

Pittsburgh develops fantastic wingers.  I wonder why? Hmmmm....

This is like saying the Oilers should have had Cups already thanks to McDavid and Drai. 
 

Pure generational talent can only take you so far these days. 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Oregon.Duck said:

 

This is like saying the Oilers should have had Cups already thanks to McDavid and Drai. 
 

Pure generational talent can only take you so far these days. 

Or maybe Sid and Gino (unlike Connor and Leon) actually play the game without the puck?  

[HKSR]

34 minutes ago, The Lock said:

There's a difference though between those 2 players helping and having actual talent to help them out as well. Not every winger is going to pan out no matter who you have as your center. Do you truly think it's ONLY Crosby and Malkin as to why those wingers play well? Like are you just falling on absolutes here? Can it not be a combination of factors and not just Crosby and Malkin?

I think Crosby and Malkin bring out the best in their wingers.  You seriously think Boeser would be the same player with Crosby as he would be with Nico Hischer?

[The Lock]

17 minutes ago, HKSR said:

I think Crosby and Malkin bring out the best in their wingers.  You seriously think Boeser would be the same player with Crosby as he would be with Nico Hischer?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there are also other important factors outside of Crosby and Malkin. Them alone are not enough to win multiple cups nor them alone are enough to make an entire line "cup-winning". It also takes talent with the wingers.

 

You bringing up Boeser has nothing to do with this and is just trying to put words in my mouth.

[YEGCanuck]

Thanks Mr. C.

[MrCanuck94]

1 hour ago, HKSR said:

If you don't think having Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin down the middle helps with developing players, then I don't know what to say to ya.  

 

Pittsburgh develops fantastic wingers.  I wonder why? Hmmmm....

They're developing players to reach their potential, not padding their stats by putting them with a superstar.

 

The reason Pittsburgh was successful during the stretch without Crosby and Malkin this year was because of those players.

[HKSR]

Just now, MrCanuck94 said:

They're developing players to reach their potential, not padding their stats by putting them with a superstar.

 

The reason Pittsburgh was successful during the stretch without Crosby and Malkin this year was because of those players.

Developing players is putting them in situations where they can best succeed.  If a prospect has the talent, playing him next to Crosby or Malkin will likely help to realize that potential.  Playing him next to Pavel Zacha would make it a helluva more difficult journey.

[HKSR]

18 minutes ago, The Lock said:

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there are also other important factors outside of Crosby and Malkin. Them alone are not enough to win multiple cups nor them alone are enough to make an entire line "cup-winning". It also takes talent with the wingers.

 

You bringing up Boeser has nothing to do with this and is just trying to put words in my mouth.

I think we're talking about different things.  I'm talking about player development.   I think you're talking about building a team.

[MrCanuck94]

4 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Developing players is putting them in situations where they can best succeed.  If a prospect has the talent, playing him next to Crosby or Malkin will likely help to realize that potential.  Playing him next to Pavel Zacha would make it a helluva more difficult journey.

If you develop a player properly in the AHL and they become NHL ready, they'll make an impact regardless of which roster they play on. Putting players in a position to succeed once they are NHL ready is a different conversation.

[Sell.the.team]

nothing against PA, but seems like the same old drivel we've heard for years.  The media just spoonfeed these questions looking for soundbites... looking forward to seeing what he does to put his stamp on the team.  Hopefully its a good one!

[Ghostsof1915]

We should follow what Detroit does. Detroit isn't afraid to let guys play in the AHL for 2 or so years before bringing them up to the big show. Even Rasmussen played part of 3 seasons in the AHL. And he's a 9th overall pick .

[The Lock]

24 minutes ago, HKSR said:

I think we're talking about different things.  I'm talking about player development.   I think you're talking about building a team.

They both go hand in hand. I'm talking about player development as much as I am talking about team building.

 

Crosby and Malkin help, but they're not the only factors in player development. There's the player development staff, the coaching staff, other players on the team, a player's commitment... I could literally go on and on. The way you're talking, it sounds like you think it's only (and literally ONLY) Crosby and Malkin that makes an impact on the wingers.