CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Mabe I got my facts incorrect but this is what I currently see signed for next year 2022 NHL Cap = 82.5m Petterson, Horvat, Miller, Garland, Pearson, Dickinson, Podz, Hogz = 31M Left to sign = (Boeser 7m, Motte, 2.5, Lammiko 1m, Highmore 1m) 11m (My hope would be that we would get Boes down to 6.75 and Motte down to 2m) 12 Forwards signed @ 42.5m Hughs, OEL, Myers, Hamonic Schenn, Burroughs, Poolman = 28.25 m Demko = 5m Holtby and JV dead cap = 2.4m Total cap hit = 78.15m 13th forward <1m (Dowling, Lockwood, Bailey, DiGiuseppi) , backup goalie <1m (Martin, DiPietro) Team cap 80.15m Capspace left 2.35m After next year when Horvat and Miller are due, 2.4M in dead cap is gone so we should have 4.75m between Horvat and Miller raises Horvat is due for a moderate raise while Miller a bit more. Even if we give Horvat 7m and Miller 8m, thats only 4.25M. We technically have even up to 4.75 Hammer, Burroughs and Schenn contracts are done 4.6m. We need to re-sign them then or fill with younger guys like Woo, Rathbone Since BB took over, we are 21-8-4. Most of our losses came when we were icing an AHL calbre roster due to covid. I don't see why we need to trade anyone this year. We aren't pressed against the cap next year. Even the following year, if we are playing well at the TDL, who knows, we might even buy. I think most of us are gettign caught in the media hype of TDL. Our cap situaton seems fine to me? Some key deals are that we have Demko locked in at 5m, we have Hughes at <8m, we have Garland <5m PPL might then worry about Petey's new contract but guess what? Dickinson and Pearson contracts are done then... I havent even factored whethr cap would be going up the following season either... Anyway, dont buy into the hype guys. We can easily run it back next year and the year after etc. The only reason why I would trade is if I am not sold on some players on this team and we can get good value on a trade but right now, there is no point in selling low on anyone of our guys. We have the leverage and think it's absurd that we need to tade ppl to make capspace Edited March 10, 2022 by CanucksJay 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Mabe I got my facts incorrect but this is what I currently see signed for next year 2022 NHL Cap = 82.5m Petterson, Horvat, Miller, Garland, Pearson, Dickinson, Podz, Hogz = 31M Left to sign = (Boeser 7m, Motte, 2.5, Lammiko 1m, Highmore 1m) 11m (My hope would be that we would get Boes down to 6.75 and Motte down to 2m) 12 Forwards signed @ 42.5m Hughs, OEL, Myers, Hamonic Schenn, Burroughs, Poolman = 28.25 m Demko = 5m Holtby and JV dead cap = 2.4m Total cap hit = 78.15m 13th forward <1m (Dowling, Lockwood, Bailey, DiGiuseppi) , backup goalie <1m (Martin, DiPietro) Team cap 80.15m Capspace left 2.35m After next year when Horvat and Miller are due, 2.4M in dead cap is gone so we should have 4.75m between Horvat and Miller raises Horvat is due for a moderate raise while Miller a bit more. Even if we give Horvat 7m and Miller 8m, thats only 4.25M. We technically have even up to 4.75 Hammer, Burroughs and Schenn contracts are done 4.6m. We need to re-sign them then or fill with younger guys like Woo, Rathbone Since BB took over, we are 21-8-4. Most of our losses came when we were icing an AHL calbre roster due to covid. I don't see why we need to trade anyone this year. We aren't pressed against the cap next year. Even the following year, if we are playing well at the TDL, who knows, we might even buy. I think most of us are gettign caught in the media hype of TDL. Our cap situaton seems fine to me? Some key deals are that we have Demko locked in at 5m, we have Hughes at <8m, we have Garland <5m PPL might then worry about Petey's new contract but guess what? Dickinson and Pearson contracts are done then... I havent even factored whethr cap would be going up the following season either... Anyway, dont buy into the hype guys. We can easily run it back next year and the year after etc. The only reason why I would trade is if I am not sold on some players on this team and we can get good value on a trade but right now, there is no point in selling low on anyone of our guys. We have the leverage and think it's absurd that we need to tade ppl to make capspace It's the exact same roster as what Green had. How do you explain how we lost so much at the beginning of the season with the full lineup? I think a few of us had realized earlier on that the coaching was a huge issue, but still people don't admit it (for whatever reason). The media, for example, was SO defensive of Green, blaming it on the roster itself. It's clear that Benning didn't make very many friends outside of his administration. Edited March 10, 2022 by Dazzle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: It's the exact same roster as what Green had. How do you explain how we lost so much at the beginning of the season with the full lineup? LOL we both know why.... There's a reason why I bet heavy on the Canucks making he playoffs this year. Odds / payout was 3 to 1. I looked at the roster and believed they were criminally under rated. What I didnt factor in was the TG effect. I started to get scared during training camp, and then pre season... and then wow, that reg season start was the worst thing ive ever seen. Edited March 10, 2022 by CanucksJay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Honestly, we can keep this team pretty much intact and still add a bonafide top 4 RHD in 2 years (right when JR has said we'd be a contender). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: LOL we both know why.... There's a reason why I bet heavy on the Canucks making he playoffs this year. Odds / payout was 3 to 1. I looked at the roster and believed they were criminally under rated. What I didnt factor in was the TG effect. Yeah, I really thought we had a good lineup this year. Then preseason and the first season games happened. I honestly think that one reason that TG was supposedly respected around the league because he kept telling the media that "that's a good team over there". Does anyone still think that Green brought out the most of his rosters? This was a false narrative that was propagated by the media. People like Craig Button, who Donnie commonly brought on his show, had been praising Green for doing all that he could with a "poorly built" roster. (In his words) Edited March 10, 2022 by Dazzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Very good point team likely makes playoffs next year - start with Bruce Boudreaux from training camp - hogs, pods better - Petey prob better start to year - Dickinson may be better next year - Hamonic will be in a contract year and will likely be highly committed and give it his best. -JT miller will be in a contract year and giving'er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Honestly, we can keep this team pretty much intact and still add a bonafide top 4 RHD in 2 years (right when JR has said we'd be a contender). Great post. Sorry I missed it. I think the emergence of our 4th line has really solidified our team. I truly think it's one of the best 4th lines in the league. It may cost a bit more to re-sign them now... Also the timing of your post made it so ppl didn't want the core to stay and didn't take to your idea We were on a 4-5-3 during that stretch. Decimated with covid. Toughest road trip of the year... Now we are all happy lol I mean after NYI and Ana and NJ loss, gut reaction for me was to want a shakeup and get rid of players that don't bring it every night... Now we are seeing a very well balanced team. Horvat didn't have it last night but Miller, Petey and Brock did. That's what team do. Guys step up and pick up the slack. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 @HKSR I do think there's a need to bring in some better fitting players into the group. I'd really like to see Dickie and Poolman moved out so we can reach into the UFA and college market, or use that money for Manson. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Mabe I got my facts incorrect but this is what I currently see signed for next year 2022 NHL Cap = 82.5m Petterson, Horvat, Miller, Garland, Pearson, Dickinson, Podz, Hogz = 31M Left to sign = (Boeser 7m, Motte, 2.5, Lammiko 1m, Highmore 1m) 11m (My hope would be that we would get Boes down to 6.75 and Motte down to 2m) 12 Forwards signed @ 42.5m Hughs, OEL, Myers, Hamonic Schenn, Burroughs, Poolman = 28.25 m Demko = 5m Holtby and JV dead cap = 2.4m Total cap hit = 78.15m 13th forward <1m (Dowling, Lockwood, Bailey, DiGiuseppi) , backup goalie <1m (Martin, DiPietro) Team cap 80.15m Capspace left 2.35m After next year when Horvat and Miller are due, 2.4M in dead cap is gone so we should have 4.75m between Horvat and Miller raises Horvat is due for a moderate raise while Miller a bit more. Even if we give Horvat 7m and Miller 8m, thats only 4.25M. We technically have even up to 4.75 Hammer, Burroughs and Schenn contracts are done 4.6m. We need to re-sign them then or fill with younger guys like Woo, Rathbone Since BB took over, we are 21-8-4. Most of our losses came when we were icing an AHL calbre roster due to covid. I don't see why we need to trade anyone this year. We aren't pressed against the cap next year. Even the following year, if we are playing well at the TDL, who knows, we might even buy. I think most of us are gettign caught in the media hype of TDL. Our cap situaton seems fine to me? Some key deals are that we have Demko locked in at 5m, we have Hughes at <8m, we have Garland <5m PPL might then worry about Petey's new contract but guess what? Dickinson and Pearson contracts are done then... I havent even factored whethr cap would be going up the following season either... Anyway, dont buy into the hype guys. We can easily run it back next year and the year after etc. The only reason why I would trade is if I am not sold on some players on this team and we can get good value on a trade but right now, there is no point in selling low on anyone of our guys. We have the leverage and think it's absurd that we need to tade ppl to make capspace Agreed we shouldn't sell low, but our defense is definitely not good enough. Demko is stealing games for us, even the ones where he lets in 3 goals, because we're giving up way too many high danger scoring chances. We need at LEAST one more top-4 RHD, someone close to as good defensively as Tanev. Realistically, we should have 2 of them, because as good as Schenn has been, he's too slow to play against speedy teams. 1 top-4 defenseman to play with Hughes, 1 to play with OEL. Meaning Myers would have to be shipped out to make room. We'd likely need to trade a top tier forward like Boeser to make it all happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We can score with the players we have. Our goalkeeping is sound. What we need are some defensemen who can defend but skate and add something to the offense. We thought OEL was that guy but hmmmmm.....Hughes is terrible as a defenseman but great in the other end. This is where we need help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, CanucksJay said: Great post. Sorry I missed it. I think the emergence of our 4th line has really solidified our team. I truly think it's one of the best 4th lines in the league. It may cost a bit more to re-sign them now... Also the timing of your post made it so ppl didn't want the core to stay and didn't take to your idea We were on a 4-5-3 during that stretch. Decimated with covid. Toughest road trip of the year... Now we are all happy lol I mean after NYI and Ana and NJ loss, gut reaction for me was to want a shakeup and get rid of players that don't bring it every night... Now we are seeing a very well balanced team. Horvat didn't have it last night but Miller, Petey and Brock did. That's what team do. Guys step up and pick up the slack. OH tell me about it. I got blasted on here over that thread lol. This team finally has had a chance to build chemistry and they look like the team I thought they'd be when the season started. Our defence group is the interesting bit. I would consider ourselves REALLY lucky that Schenn is playing like a real Top 4 RHD right now next to Hughes. It's a pairing that just works for whatever reason. It allows us to move Hamonic onto the 3rd pairing which means we have a Top 4 RHD on every pair. Explains why we've had one of the best defensive stats 5v5 since Boudreau has taken over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Yes, we do need to trade some one, or some ones to make extra space. Need at least 2 D men, 2 forwards and a back up goalie, just to replace the lost to free agency players. Then need to sign Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: @HKSR I do think there's a need to bring in some better fitting players into the group. I'd really like to see Dickie and Poolman moved out so we can reach into the UFA and college market, or use that money for Manson. If you take a look at my thread, you can see those are exactly the 2 guys I think we need to move. How we move them would be tricky, but I honestly think there's a taker for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Tyndall2 said: We can score with the players we have. Our goalkeeping is sound. What we need are some defensemen who can defend but skate and add something to the offense. We thought OEL was that guy but hmmmmm.....Hughes is terrible as a defenseman but great in the other end. This is where we need help. I thought Hughes has been awesome on both sides this year. Myers... I'm a fan of the guy but his last few games even had me wondering what he was doing at times. OEL also didn't play as well yesterday. We are missing 2 starters on D though (Poolman and Burroughs). I'm sure our D. Would improve if they were back in the lineup. Our top guys wouldn't have to take on as many minutes etc. Ppl would stay fresh. I would like to watch with our full roster. Demko. Played average yesterday and we still won. That's happened a few times recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: If you take a look at my thread, you can see those are exactly the 2 guys I think we need to move. How we move them would be tricky, but I honestly think there's a taker for both. you pay AZ to take them, there's no other way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I thought Hughes has been awesome on both sides this year. Myers... I'm a fan of the guy but his last few games even had me wondering what he was doing at times. OEL also didn't play as well yesterday. We are missing 2 starters on D though (Poolman and Burroughs). I'm sure our D. Would improve if they were back in the lineup. Our top guys wouldn't have to take on as many minutes etc. Ppl would stay fresh. I would like to watch with our full roster. Demko. Played average yesterday and we still won. That's happened a few times recently Yeah, this team is capable of winning when Demko is average which says a LOT about the makeup of this team now. Our offence is scoring at over 4 goals a game on average the past little while. Helps when Petey is back... Miller and Petey is right up there in terms of a 1-2 punch down the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, JM_ said: you pay AZ to take them, there's no other way. I'd do it if it means clearing $5M+ in cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Not until team off-season.. We should always be looking to improve our roster but it’s gonna have to wait until the off-season. Hopefully we can re-sign Motte though. I don’t want to lose him. That should be Allvins priority right now. I do believe a winger will get traded in the off-season to help bolster the blue line or improve some cap space. But yeah unless they flop on this home stand we can just relax and cheer on the boys 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: If you take a look at my thread, you can see those are exactly the 2 guys I think we need to move. How we move them would be tricky, but I honestly think there's a taker for both. 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: you pay AZ to take them, there's no other way. I think that's why we keep them for another year so they increase their value and then move them at the deadline. Either Poolman or Hamonic have been injured all season it seems like. I would love to see a top 6 of Myers, OEL, Hughes, Hamonic, Poolman, Schenn/Burroughs. If Poolman shows as a solid steady player worthy of 4-6D, someone will take him. Dickinson as well. Finish the year and start next season with Bo and Podz. He will be worth his value by TDL and then we can choose to trade him or keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Devron said: Not until team off-season.. We should always be looking to improve our roster but it’s gonna have to wait until the off-season. Hopefully we can re-sign Motte though. I don’t want to lose him. That should be Allvins priority right now. I do believe a winger will get traded in the off-season to help bolster the blue line or improve some cap space. But yeah unless they flop on this home stand we can just relax and cheer on the boys I absolutely want Motte locked up before UFA. Allvin needs to sign him at TDL and say this is our best offer. We want you back but teams are willing to pay the price for you. Sign now at a nice raise so we keep you... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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