HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I hope some of the CDCers are listening to 650 right now and the the stupidest argument ever on here: "Yeah, well, if the Canucks didn't have Demko, or if he got injured, this team isn't very good." STUPIDEST ARGUMENT EVER. Like they are saying on 650 right now, DEMKO IS PART OF THIS TEAM. Take the starting franchise goaltender away from any elite team and they won't win the Cup. GET OVER IT! Demko is ours, and he's one of the best in the league. Taking him out of the lineup and arguing that the Canucks would have trouble winning is just plain stupid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I think that's why we keep them for another year so they increase their value and then move them at the deadline. Either Poolman or Hamonic have been injured all season it seems like. I would love to see a top 6 of Myers, OEL, Hughes, Hamonic, Poolman, Schenn/Burroughs. If Poolman shows as a solid steady player worthy of 4-6D, someone will take him. Dickinson as well. Finish the year and start next season with Bo and Podz. He will be worth his value by TDL and then we can choose to trade him or keep him. Yeah, I think we need to roll with pretty much this roster for one more year before making any major tweaks. Everything will look a lot more clear next year -- whether good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I hope some of the CDCers are listening to 650 right now and the the stupidest argument ever on here: "Yeah, well, if the Canucks didn't have Demko, or if he got injured, this team isn't very good." STUPIDEST ARGUMENT EVER. Like they are saying on 650 right now, DEMKO IS PART OF THIS TEAM. Take the starting franchise goaltender away from any elite team and they won't win the Cup. GET OVER IT! Demko is ours, and he's one of the best in the league. Taking him out of the lineup and arguing that the Canucks would have trouble winning is just plain stupid. If Tampa Bay doesn’t have Vasy they don’t win 2 cups either. That argument sucks. Teams that don’t have good goaltending just aren’t good teams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I hope some of the CDCers are listening to 650 right now and the the stupidest argument ever on here: "Yeah, well, if the Canucks didn't have Demko, or if he got injured, this team isn't very good." STUPIDEST ARGUMENT EVER. Like they are saying on 650 right now, DEMKO IS PART OF THIS TEAM. Take the starting franchise goaltender away from any elite team and they won't win the Cup. GET OVER IT! Demko is ours, and he's one of the best in the league. Taking him out of the lineup and arguing that the Canucks would have trouble winning is just plain stupid. LOL where would Oilers be without McDavid We are lucky that our franchise player is playing the most important position and signed for such a good cap hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Devron said: If Tampa Bay doesn’t have Vasy they don’t win 2 cups either. That argument sucks. Teams that don’t have good goaltending just aren’t good teams Exactly. The 650 guys were totally going off on just how stupid of an argument it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucklefuts Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: Very good point team likely makes playoffs next year - start with Bruce Boudreaux from training camp - hogs, pods better - Petey prob better start to year - Dickinson may be better next year - Hamonic will be in a contract year and will likely be highly committed and give it his best. -JT miller will be in a contract year and giving'er Why won't we make playoffs this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: Yeah, I think we need to roll with pretty much this roster for one more year before making any major tweaks. Everything will look a lot more clear next year -- whether good or bad. The only concern I have is that while I am a fan of Boeser, he has been a perennial 60-70 pt guy (over 82 games) in the league. His 2 way game is near the bottom of the team between him and Hogz. (literally every forward is better in that respect) His skating is also 2nd worst on the team in front of Chiasson. I dunno if his hands and scoring prowess is worth 7m at 65pts / season... I have no idea what 7m gets you nowadays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: The only concern I have is that while I am a fan of Boeser, he has been a perennial 60-70 pt guy (over 82 games) in the league. His 2 way game is near the bottom of the team between him and Hogz. (literally every forward is better in that respect) His skating is also 2nd worst on the team in front of Chiasson. I dunno if his hands and scoring prowess is worth 7m at 65pts / season... I have no idea what 7m gets you nowadays... I don't think Brock will get $7M... I think he'll land around $6.5M... maybe a bit less. He's an RFA, a 4 or 5 year deal brings him right to his prime where he could really cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I think this team is a lot better than we showed early on. Green just wasn't the right coach. But I always believed in the general direction Benning was going. I don't think this team is "there" yet, but with a bit more experience for our younger guys like Podz and Hogs, along with 1 more stud d-man, and I really don't know what else a GM would be expected to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I don't think Brock will get $7M... I think he'll land around $6.5M... maybe a bit less. He's an RFA, a 4 or 5 year deal brings him right to his prime where he could really cash in. I think @ 6.5 there is too much upside to let him walk unless the return is really great. I'd rather hold and hope he turns into an 80 pt player or trade him if he doesn't take the next step and remains a 60-70 pt player after next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, CanucksJay said: I think @ 6.5 there is too much upside to let him walk unless the return is really great. I'd rather hold and hope he turns into an 80 pt player or trade him if he doesn't take the next step and remains a 60-70 pt player after next season There is the off chance that if Brock wants to play hardball, he could simply accept his QO 2 years in a row and walk into free agency as a UFA. I don't think Brock is that kinda guy though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, HKSR said: I hope some of the CDCers are listening to 650 right now and the the stupidest argument ever on here: "Yeah, well, if the Canucks didn't have Demko, or if he got injured, this team isn't very good." STUPIDEST ARGUMENT EVER. Like they are saying on 650 right now, DEMKO IS PART OF THIS TEAM. Take the starting franchise goaltender away from any elite team and they won't win the Cup. GET OVER IT! Demko is ours, and he's one of the best in the league. Taking him out of the lineup and arguing that the Canucks would have trouble winning is just plain stupid. Taking Demko out of the line up disproportionately hurts the team more than say, losing Horvat or Boeser. If either of those guys miss a game, we still have a chance, if Halak is in net, it's basically a write off. Or to quantify it, the value Demko is earning above his $5 mil cost is substantially higher than the extra value Bo is giving us at $5.3 mil when it comes to generating wins. Markstrom and Demko covered up a lot of the issues this team had. I'm willing to bet Tampa can still do damage without Vasi. They play a good system. Just watching the habs game last night, we dominated them sure, but we also gave a 30th place team a heck of a lot of premium chances where the guy was alone in front of the net. Despite our expensive defense. That's where that argument comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I really like this team. I think we are to soft Burroughs is great but is he big enough to keep delivering that grit without getting hurt or standing up through the playoffs. I'd like to add another Luke schenn. I'd like to add a tough hitting winger that can also play. This team do some real damage in the playoffs if we add at least one tough player. Boeser picks up his game Oel picks up his game Dickenson plays the way we had expected when we acquired him. Ide be replacing either boeser or garland with that tough winger who can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 in your math, you forgot about Jake V...buyout money(500K) + Holtby...buyout money(1.9M) + Halak...bonus money(1.25M) = 3.6M dead space 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Honestly, we can keep this team pretty much intact and still add a bonafide top 4 RHD in 2 years (right when JR has said we'd be a contender). We still need to solve for Boeser's raise and JT's extension. We are definitely losing someone this offseason if Boeser doesn't take a discount (I too hope, Boeser signs an extension $1.25 mil below his qualifying offer. It would go a long way to helping us out.) Considering we still have that $3.4 mil in dead cap from Holtby, Virtanen and Halak next year Someone's gonna walk, and even your scenario had Poolman being traded. I don't think anyone's going to bite on a $2.5 mil 3rd pairing RHD. Or Jason Dickinson. Could be wrong, but they aren't attractive trade pieces. Edited March 10, 2022 by DSVII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DSVII said: Taking Demko out of the line up disproportionately hurts the team more than say, losing Horvat or Boeser. If either of those guys miss a game, we still have a chance, if Halak is in net, it's basically a write off. Or to quantify it, the value Demko is earning above his $5 mil cost is substantially higher than the extra value Bo is giving us at $5.3 mil when it comes to generating wins. Markstrom and Demko covered up a lot of the issues this team had. I'm willing to bet Tampa can still do damage without Vasi. They play a good system. Just watching the habs game last night, we dominated them sure, but we also gave a 30th place team a heck of a lot of premium chances where the guy was alone in front of the net. Despite our expensive defense. That's where that argument comes from. No disrespect, but it's a stupid argument, and the guys on 650 had a whole segment talking about. You're basically taking the franchise player out of a lineup and arguing how the team would be a lot worse. Horvat and Boeser are not the equivalent of a Demko because Demko is likely top 3 or top 5 in the entire NHL at his position. This is no different than saying EDM would be so much worse if McDavid was taken out of their lineup. Matthews was taken out of TOR's lineup. Heck Miller out of the Canucks lineup (I believe the record is 1-14-1 when Miller doesn't get a point). Shesterkin out of the NYR lineup. You get the idea. EDIT: Honestly, Demko hasn't been playing AMAZING the past couple weeks. He's playing well, but not amazing, yet the Canucks keep on winning. Even last night, he didn't look that great. That should tell you what kind of team this is. Edited March 10, 2022 by HKSR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, grumpyone said: in your math, you forgot about Jake V...buyout money(500K) + Holtby...buyout money(1.9M) + Halak...bonus money(1.25M) = 3.6M dead space Ooh right I got the first 2 but not halak bonus. That point is moot though as we are done in cap space next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This is the best team weve had since 2013 IMHO. The D still concerns me, but if Brock and EP keep heating up the offence can go a long way in covering up any warts on the back end. 4th line is the best weve had in a long time Offence is great. Goaltending excellent. Are we closer than we think? I keep thinking they are not good enough, but they keep winning. Im glad im not management right now lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I think that's why we keep them for another year so they increase their value and then move them at the deadline. Either Poolman or Hamonic have been injured all season it seems like. I would love to see a top 6 of Myers, OEL, Hughes, Hamonic, Poolman, Schenn/Burroughs. If Poolman shows as a solid steady player worthy of 4-6D, someone will take him. Dickinson as well. Finish the year and start next season with Bo and Podz. He will be worth his value by TDL and then we can choose to trade him or keep him. I think we need to clear cap to aim higher, I'd like to see Klingberg here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 56 minutes ago, HKSR said: I hope some of the CDCers are listening to 650 right now and the the stupidest argument ever on here: "Yeah, well, if the Canucks didn't have Demko, or if he got injured, this team isn't very good." STUPIDEST ARGUMENT EVER. Like they are saying on 650 right now, DEMKO IS PART OF THIS TEAM. Take the starting franchise goaltender away from any elite team and they won't win the Cup. GET OVER IT! Demko is ours, and he's one of the best in the league. Taking him out of the lineup and arguing that the Canucks would have trouble winning is just plain stupid. So we'd be the Leafs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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