Arshdeep Bains | LW

[Quantum]

On 3/16/2022 at 9:59 AM, Bure_Pavel said:

I wonder if they tried to sign Ben King as well, as good as Arshdeep is Ben King looks like a better fit. He is a 19 year old 6'3" right handed center/wing with almost identical points to Arshdeep but more goals. 

I looked into this because I was wondering why Ben King hadn't signed an entry level deal somewhere.

 

Apparently, Ben King is technically eligible for the draft this summer and that's why he isn't eligible unlike Bains. The 2022 draft covers players born January 1st 2002 to September 15th 2024. Ben King was born in May 2002. So thus he's technically eligible. Unlike Bains who was born in 2001. I'm not convinced anyone drafts King but he could be a flier for a team in the sixth or seventh rounds. If the Canucks pick up a few more late round picks, I could see them taking a flier on King just because.Rutherford hasn't been scared to draft overage CHL players before and it has worked out for him. King could be the next one.

 

Most likely scenario for King is that he goes undrafted and then signs somewhere next Spring.  Assuming he keeps up his level of play.

[Rick Blight]

On 3/16/2022 at 10:59 AM, Bure_Pavel said:

I wonder if they tried to sign Ben King as well, as good as Arshdeep is Ben King looks like a better fit. He is a 19 year old 6'3" right handed center/wing with almost identical points to Arshdeep but more goals. 

I believe King needs to go through the draft again this year as a 19 year old.

 

All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.

[Kootenay Gold]

24 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

I believe King needs to go through the draft again this year as a 19 year old.

 

All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.

I thought it was up to the player and his agent if they want to re-enter the draft or just become a free agent instead.

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, Rick Blight said:

I believe King needs to go through the draft again this year as a 19 year old.

 

All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.

Typically, yes, but CBA 8.9.B.ii does offer a loophole, in certain situations:

 

 

This is the CBA section that allowed the Canucks to sign a draft eligible 18 year old Evan McEneny in 2012, after he’d passed through his first draft.

 

As I understand it, the Canucks would have needed to sign King last year, however, after the 2021 draft and before his 2021-22 WHL season started, or had signed him to a camp tryout and then completed a contract before the start of the 2021-22 NHL season.

 

At this point in time, I don’t think a deal can be done with King until after the draft (assuming he’s not taken, but he may very well get drafted this year).

 

But there is a window every year, between the completion of the draft and the start of the next season, when undrafted players can be signed as free agents, even if they’re still eligible for future drafts.

[Rick Blight]

4 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Typically, yes, but CBA 8.9.B.ii does offer a loophole, in certain situations:

 

 

This is the CBA section that allowed the Canucks to sign a draft eligible 18 year old Evan McEneny in 2012, after he’d passed through his first draft.

 

As I understand it, the Canucks would have needed to sign King last year, however, after the 2021 draft and before his 2021-22 WHL season started, or had signed him to a camp tryout and then completed a contract before the start of the 2021-22 NHL season.

 

At this point in time, I don’t think a deal can be done with King until after the draft (assuming he’s not taken, but he may very well get drafted this year).

 

But there is a window every year, between the completion of the draft and the start of the next season, when undrafted players can be signed as free agents, even if they’re still eligible for future drafts.

Thanks SID, I was not aware of that loophole.

[Ray_Cathode]

Maybe get to see him in Abby in the fall.

[Qwags]

What number does Bains wear?

[-Vintage Canuck-]

3 hours ago, Qwags said:

What number does Bains wear?

He wears #20 for the Red Deer Rebels.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

On 3/20/2022 at 11:51 AM, Quantum said:

I looked into this because I was wondering why Ben King hadn't signed an entry level deal somewhere.

 

Apparently, Ben King is technically eligible for the draft this summer and that's why he isn't eligible unlike Bains. The 2022 draft covers players born January 1st 2002 to September 15th 2024. Ben King was born in May 2002. So thus he's technically eligible. Unlike Bains who was born in 2001. I'm not convinced anyone drafts King but he could be a flier for a team in the sixth or seventh rounds. If the Canucks pick up a few more late round picks, I could see them taking a flier on King just because.Rutherford hasn't been scared to draft overage CHL players before and it has worked out for him. King could be the next one.

 

Most likely scenario for King is that he goes undrafted and then signs somewhere next Spring.  Assuming he keeps up his level of play.

Thanks for this, I was wondering the same thing.

 

Could definitely see the Canucks using a 7th on him, especially with last year's draft being so unpredictable and short seasons were harder to scout (esp. in person) - he actually had a good season last year w/ 28 points in 21 games on a team that did terribly. I think only one Red Deer Rebel was drafted last year, RHD Kyle Masters.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

On 3/20/2022 at 11:25 AM, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Bains had one goal and one assist last night.

 

He now has 94 points (34 goals, 60 assists) in 60 games with the Red Deer Rebels.

97 in 62 games now, looks like he'll break into the trip digits with 6 games to go.

 

Clinched playoff spot as well, looking forward to their run

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Hometown kid Arshdeep Bains chasing childhood dream:

 

As a young kid, Arshdeep Bains would often hop onto the SkyTrain at King George Station in Surrey and ride into Rogers Arena with his older brothers and throngs of other Canucks fans. Back then, he could only dream of one day representing his hometown NHL team.

 

That dream just became a little closer to reality.

 

The Vancouver Canucks signed Bains to an entry-level contract earlier this month. As the leading scorer in the Western Hockey League, Bains had offers from other NHL teams. But he ultimately chose the team he fell in love with as a 10-year-old during their 2011 run to the Stanley Cup Finals.

 

"That 2011 Stanley Cup run was super special," Bains said. "I think that was a big part of what made me love the sport and the Vancouver Canucks. It was amazing to see how this team was able to bring people together. I remember every kid at school was wearing a Canucks jersey every day during that cup run."

 

 

Bains was born and raised in Surrey, about 40 minutes outside of Vancouver via SkyTrain. Those rides into the big city for Canucks games were among his favourite memories growing up.

 

Hockey was a big part of his childhood.

 

He credits his older brothers, Amrit and Harvir, for getting him into the sport. The three of them spent countless weeknights and weekends playing road hockey in their cul-de-sac, which was very much the beginning of Bains' hockey journey.

 

"I always loved playing mini-sticks or road hockey with them," Bains said. "We would set up two nets in our cul-de-sac and all the kids in our neighbourhood would play. We'd all go out and knock on doors and get organized to play some big games."

 

Bains' brothers pushed him to be the best he could be because they knew he was a talented player. There was always a great support system behind him, but Bains put the work in.

 

Brent Sutter, his former coach and current general manager with the Red Deer Rebels, saw the potential for Bains to become a pro early on in his time with the Western Hockey League franchise. Sutter knew that Bains' work ethic and intelligence were going to give him every chance to get to the next level.

 

"He didn't get drafted in the WHL or at the NHL draft but you could see the commitment he was making off the ice with training and working out in the gym," said the father of current Canucks centre, Brandon Sutter. "Him leading the WHL in scoring this year isn't a fluke. Every year he's gotten better and better and better. I've just always had a lot of confidence in him because of the person he is."

 

Bains has made massive improvements to his game over the past couple of seasons and it's showing with his success this year. After not being a point per game player in any of his four prior WHL seasons, Bains is currently sitting on a league-leading 97 points in 62 games and is likely to eclipse the century mark for points in his final season of junior hockey.

 

"He does everything with such a high level of intelligence and he sees the ice so well," Sutter said. "He can make plays that other players have a hard time making. He's got that vision and that sense of the game. Some of his hockey intelligence is impossible to teach - it just comes naturally to him."

 

As for what's next, Sutter says that he'd like to see Bains add another 10-20 pounds over the offseason to help him prepare for the professional game.

 

Abbotsford Canucks general manager Ryan Johnson knows that Red Deer could go on a deep playoff run, but he's excited to get Bains into the Canucks' facilities when the time comes. Johnson sees the raw talent and feels it's going to be an important offseason for the 21-year-old left winger.

 

"For a skilled guy, there's some hardness to his game," Johnson said. "His hockey sense is good and he's able to understand the responsibilities and management of the puck in all three zones. We've got this raw talent to work with and we're going to throw resources at him from all angles. We will work with Arshdeep in the offseason to get him a little bit stronger and more powerful on those first three strides. In general, there's a lot to like about his game."

 

A full offseason working with the Canucks' development staff will bring an even better version of Bains for training camp going into the 2022-23 season, when he's expected to be vying for minutes in Abbotsford. There's a long road ahead, but his goal is to make an impression on the Canucks coaching staff and prove that he belongs in pro hockey. 

 

Regardless, the potential of playing in his own backyard is something he relishes.

 

"Everybody in my family is a Canucks fan, the opportunity to play here at home is super exciting," Bains said. "My entire family loves it and our whole family views it as a dream come true."

 

The ultimate dream for Bains is to be part of a team that brings the Stanley Cup to Vancouver. He often reminisces on the buzz throughout the province during Vancouver's 2011 Stanley Cup run, and would love nothing more than to be a part of one himself.

 

"Words can't even describe the feeling, I guess," he said. "Watching as a kid was already so unbelievable. If I was ever in that position with this team, it would by far be the biggest accomplishment of my life."

 

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/bains-chasing-childhood-dream/c-332293898

[Rick Blight]

How can you not cheer for this kid? Really hope he realizes his dreams.

[Alflives]

12 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Hometown kid Arshdeep Bains chasing childhood dream:

 

As a young kid, Arshdeep Bains would often hop onto the SkyTrain at King George Station in Surrey and ride into Rogers Arena with his older brothers and throngs of other Canucks fans. Back then, he could only dream of one day representing his hometown NHL team.

 

That dream just became a little closer to reality.

 

The Vancouver Canucks signed Bains to an entry-level contract earlier this month. As the leading scorer in the Western Hockey League, Bains had offers from other NHL teams. But he ultimately chose the team he fell in love with as a 10-year-old during their 2011 run to the Stanley Cup Finals.

 

"That 2011 Stanley Cup run was super special," Bains said. "I think that was a big part of what made me love the sport and the Vancouver Canucks. It was amazing to see how this team was able to bring people together. I remember every kid at school was wearing a Canucks jersey every day during that cup run."

 

 

Bains was born and raised in Surrey, about 40 minutes outside of Vancouver via SkyTrain. Those rides into the big city for Canucks games were among his favourite memories growing up.

 

Hockey was a big part of his childhood.

 

He credits his older brothers, Amrit and Harvir, for getting him into the sport. The three of them spent countless weeknights and weekends playing road hockey in their cul-de-sac, which was very much the beginning of Bains' hockey journey.

 

"I always loved playing mini-sticks or road hockey with them," Bains said. "We would set up two nets in our cul-de-sac and all the kids in our neighbourhood would play. We'd all go out and knock on doors and get organized to play some big games."

 

Bains' brothers pushed him to be the best he could be because they knew he was a talented player. There was always a great support system behind him, but Bains put the work in.

 

Brent Sutter, his former coach and current general manager with the Red Deer Rebels, saw the potential for Bains to become a pro early on in his time with the Western Hockey League franchise. Sutter knew that Bains' work ethic and intelligence were going to give him every chance to get to the next level.

 

"He didn't get drafted in the WHL or at the NHL draft but you could see the commitment he was making off the ice with training and working out in the gym," said the father of current Canucks centre, Brandon Sutter. "Him leading the WHL in scoring this year isn't a fluke. Every year he's gotten better and better and better. I've just always had a lot of confidence in him because of the person he is."

 

Bains has made massive improvements to his game over the past couple of seasons and it's showing with his success this year. After not being a point per game player in any of his four prior WHL seasons, Bains is currently sitting on a league-leading 97 points in 62 games and is likely to eclipse the century mark for points in his final season of junior hockey.

 

"He does everything with such a high level of intelligence and he sees the ice so well," Sutter said. "He can make plays that other players have a hard time making. He's got that vision and that sense of the game. Some of his hockey intelligence is impossible to teach - it just comes naturally to him."

 

As for what's next, Sutter says that he'd like to see Bains add another 10-20 pounds over the offseason to help him prepare for the professional game.

 

Abbotsford Canucks general manager Ryan Johnson knows that Red Deer could go on a deep playoff run, but he's excited to get Bains into the Canucks' facilities when the time comes. Johnson sees the raw talent and feels it's going to be an important offseason for the 21-year-old left winger.

 

"For a skilled guy, there's some hardness to his game," Johnson said. "His hockey sense is good and he's able to understand the responsibilities and management of the puck in all three zones. We've got this raw talent to work with and we're going to throw resources at him from all angles. We will work with Arshdeep in the offseason to get him a little bit stronger and more powerful on those first three strides. In general, there's a lot to like about his game."

 

A full offseason working with the Canucks' development staff will bring an even better version of Bains for training camp going into the 2022-23 season, when he's expected to be vying for minutes in Abbotsford. There's a long road ahead, but his goal is to make an impression on the Canucks coaching staff and prove that he belongs in pro hockey. 

 

Regardless, the potential of playing in his own backyard is something he relishes.

 

"Everybody in my family is a Canucks fan, the opportunity to play here at home is super exciting," Bains said. "My entire family loves it and our whole family views it as a dream come true."

 

The ultimate dream for Bains is to be part of a team that brings the Stanley Cup to Vancouver. He often reminisces on the buzz throughout the province during Vancouver's 2011 Stanley Cup run, and would love nothing more than to be a part of one himself.

 

"Words can't even describe the feeling, I guess," he said. "Watching as a kid was already so unbelievable. If I was ever in that position with this team, it would by far be the biggest accomplishment of my life."

 

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/bains-chasing-childhood-dream/c-332293898

Maybe we got another Alex Burrows on our hands?  Smart, hard working, and never quits.  

[Quantum]

I saw this tweet recently about Arshdeep Bains statistical profile and it's pretty interesting:

 

 

If Bains can turn into players like Ryan and Johnson that would be a huge win. Only thing is that Derek Ryan and Tyler Johnson are C's whereas Bains is a LW primarily.

 

As Byron Bader notes in a follow up to his original tweet "Most elite Canadian hockey players (who are drafted) play in the the CHL by their pre-draft year. It's not that common an NHLer would be playing AAA at 16/17. But its interesting the only two others to generate so significantly in AAA in their pre-draft year made the NHL."

[fanfor42]

Bains will definitely play in Abby.  He may or may not ever play for the big club.

 

That will depend on his drive and desire and work ethic to get better and better.  He is a long shot but by all accounts a good kid with a high motor.

 

 

[Captain Canuck #12]

12 hours ago, Quantum said:

I saw this tweet recently about Arshdeep Bains statistical profile and it's pretty interesting:

 

 

If Bains can turn into players like Ryan and Johnson that would be a huge win. Only thing is that Derek Ryan and Tyler Johnson are C's whereas Bains is a LW primarily.

 

As Byron Bader notes in a follow up to his original tweet "Most elite Canadian hockey players (who are drafted) play in the the CHL by their pre-draft year. It's not that common an NHLer would be playing AAA at 16/17. But its interesting the only two others to generate so significantly in AAA in their pre-draft year made the NHL."

Another big difference here is that they're both American.  Is AAA even equivalent to BCAA?

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[70seven]

Nice add. Clearly a project, but he’s local to baby Canucks so amazing for him!

 

hope he goes Arshdeep 

[70seven]

Also… would anyone else be up for trading Miller, Garland, Boeser, Horvat and going full tank with a tonne of young assets for a chance at Bedard???

[DeNiro]

32 minutes ago, 70seven said:

Also… would anyone else be up for trading Miller, Garland, Boeser, Horvat and going full tank with a tonne of young assets for a chance at Bedard???

End up drafting 5th and picking the one bust in the top 10?

 

No thanks.