[Rumour] Patrick Kane Trade Talks

[grumpyone]

10 hours ago, J-23 said:

I don’t want to play against that.

actually it would be easy.... they never go into their own end, wo you just have to get past them and it's a 5 v 2 + goalie every time. 

[higgyfan]

12 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Soft, slow, stupid, and selfish.  He is absolutely atrocious in his own zone and has pretty much zero chance  of ever turning into a legit NHLer.  He's worse than useless and is a major liability every time he sets foot on the ice.

It's ok, Heff.  They'll be keeping Nurse + Bouchard and losing their best prospect in Broberg.

 

 

[AK_19]

I don't see how this is remotely feasible. First, Kane's got an NTC, the chances he waives to Edmonton are small to begin with. Secondly, Edmonton's got cap issues. Third, Edmonton has no blue chip prospects to even offer Chicago. NYI makes much more sense. 

[RWJC]

29 minutes ago, AK_19 said:

I don't see how this is remotely feasible. First, Kane's got an NTC, the chances he waives to Edmonton are small to begin with. Secondly, Edmonton's got cap issues. Third, Edmonton has no blue chip prospects to even offer Chicago. NYI makes much more sense. 

Depends if Kane wants another shot at a cup. Playing with the best in the game also has its perks when wanting to add to totals for his next contract after this season. 
 

DeBrincat was traded for a relatively cheap amount. 
 

I still think COL tries for him too 

[aGENT]

14 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Soft, slow, stupid, and selfish.  He is absolutely atrocious in his own zone and has pretty much zero chance  of ever turning into a legit NHLer.  He's worse than useless and is a major liability every time he sets foot on the ice.

@IBatch

[theo5789]

57 minutes ago, AK_19 said:

I don't see how this is remotely feasible. First, Kane's got an NTC, the chances he waives to Edmonton are small to begin with. Secondly, Edmonton's got cap issues. Third, Edmonton has no blue chip prospects to even offer Chicago. NYI makes much more sense. 

Perhaps Duncan Keith put in a good word of the greatness that is Edmonton.

[King Heffy]

30 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Depends if Kane wants another shot at a cup. Playing with the best in the game also has its perks when wanting to add to totals for his next contract after this season. 
 

DeBrincat was traded for a relatively cheap amount. 
 

I still think COL tries for him too 

Colorado makes more sense as their leadership can minimize the character issues.  Edmonton has no veteran leadership and a locker room cancer wearing the C.

[Pears]

1 hour ago, RWJC said:

Depends if Kane wants another shot at a cup. Playing with the best in the game also has its perks when wanting to add to totals for his next contract after this season. 
 

DeBrincat was traded for a relatively cheap amount. 
 

I still think COL tries for him too 

They have more assets and more cap space than Edmonton does and if I’m Kane, I’m waving my NTC for Colorado over Edmonton 10/10 times. 

[BureBurrito]

The more the Pacific teams improve the more the Canucks are gonna be on the bottom of the totem pole 

[250Integra]

17 hours ago, RWJC said:

You don’t think much of Bouchard, right?

Who? Eugenie?

[VanCan2023]

On 8/18/2022 at 10:19 PM, J-23 said:

I don’t want to play against that.

And then there second line has the 2nd best player on the planet to. Let's make sure P Kane stays elsewhere please.. 

[VanCan2023]

15 hours ago, BureBurrito said:

The more the Pacific teams improve the more the Canucks are gonna be on the bottom of the totem pole 

Minus a few semi respectable years, that is par for the Canucks for over 50 years. Why would you expect anything but?? Considering we are 3-4 years away to start a defence rebuild, then another 2 for them to click, our now talented young stars will be to old or gone. I won't go into our zero future depth in all positions waiting to make the club. 52 years is an embarrassment, just better win one within the next few decades before Buffallo does. 

[IBatch]

18 hours ago, aGENT said:

@IBatch

Some recent articles on this goofy faced dummy:

 

"Bouchard’s 35 points at even strength in the regular season was by some distance the most by any Oilers rearguard during the salary cap era. Indeed, they were the most by an Edmonton d-man since Steve Smith scored 42 EVP in 1987-88. That takes us all the way back to the Wayne Gretzky years when normal rules re: scoring simply did not apply."

 

And:

"This season, Bouchard was one of only six defencemen to rank top-20 in the league in both isolated impact on even-strength scoring chances (RAPM xGF/60), and 5v5 points.

The other defencemen include Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Victor Hedman, MacKenzie Weegar, and Jaccob Slavin. Pretty decent company.

To be more specific, Bouchard ranked 4th in the league in RAPM xGF/60, and ranked in the 99th percentile; put differently, Bouchard’s impact on generating scoring chances was superior to roughly 99% of the league’s defencemen"

 

 

 

 Notice who's name isn't on that list of defenseman?   Weager and especially Slavin, are two of the league best defensive defenders...

 

And this was Bouchard's first NHL season.   Maybe Kieth had something to do with it, but he's nothing like the Kieth of old is he.    Yes he needs to clean up some of his stuff in his own end ... maybe he's the second coming of Brent Sopel lol, who also had a tough time in his own end ... but at 22 he certainly isn't "garbage, slow, blah  blah blah..."   So far it looks like out of that group of excellent D's, Dahlin shouldn't have gone number one,  QHs/Dobson are fairly equal in value all considered - ones a RHD and 6'4", the other is maybe Phil Housley lite because he doesn't score goals.  

 

Bouchard has a bomb from the point and certainly looks like he's got a shot at their PP soon.   IF that happens lol, 60-70 points is for sure within his reach. 

 

[aGENT]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Some recent articles on this goofy faced dummy:

 

"Bouchard’s 35 points at even strength in the regular season was by some distance the most by any Oilers rearguard during the salary cap era. Indeed, they were the most by an Edmonton d-man since Steve Smith scored 42 EVP in 1987-88. That takes us all the way back to the Wayne Gretzky years when normal rules re: scoring simply did not apply."

 

And:

"This season, Bouchard was one of only six defencemen to rank top-20 in the league in both isolated impact on even-strength scoring chances (RAPM xGF/60), and 5v5 points.

The other defencemen include Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Victor Hedman, MacKenzie Weegar, and Jaccob Slavin. Pretty decent company.

To be more specific, Bouchard ranked 4th in the league in RAPM xGF/60, and ranked in the 99th percentile; put differently, Bouchard’s impact on generating scoring chances was superior to roughly 99% of the league’s defencemen"

 

 

 

 Notice who's name isn't on that list of defenseman?   Weager and especially Slavin, are two of the league best defensive defenders...

 

And this was Bouchard's first NHL season.   Maybe Kieth had something to do with it, but he's nothing like the Kieth of old is he.    Yes he needs to clean up some of his stuff in his own end ... maybe he's the second coming of Brent Sopel lol, who also had a tough time in his own end ... but at 22 he certainly isn't "garbage, slow, blah  blah blah..."   So far it looks like out of that group of excellent D's, Dahlin shouldn't have gone number one,  QHs/Dobson are fairly equal in value all considered - ones a RHD and 6'4", the other is maybe Phil Housley lite because he doesn't score goals.  

 

Bouchard has a bomb from the point and certainly looks like he's got a shot at their PP soon.   IF that happens lol, 60-70 points is for sure within his reach. 

 

@King Heffy 

[canuck73_3]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

Some recent articles on this goofy faced dummy:

 

"Bouchard’s 35 points at even strength in the regular season was by some distance the most by any Oilers rearguard during the salary cap era. Indeed, they were the most by an Edmonton d-man since Steve Smith scored 42 EVP in 1987-88. That takes us all the way back to the Wayne Gretzky years when normal rules re: scoring simply did not apply."

 

And:

"This season, Bouchard was one of only six defencemen to rank top-20 in the league in both isolated impact on even-strength scoring chances (RAPM xGF/60), and 5v5 points.

The other defencemen include Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Victor Hedman, MacKenzie Weegar, and Jaccob Slavin. Pretty decent company.

To be more specific, Bouchard ranked 4th in the league in RAPM xGF/60, and ranked in the 99th percentile; put differently, Bouchard’s impact on generating scoring chances was superior to roughly 99% of the league’s defencemen"

 

 

 

 Notice who's name isn't on that list of defenseman?   Weager and especially Slavin, are two of the league best defensive defenders...

 

And this was Bouchard's first NHL season.   Maybe Kieth had something to do with it, but he's nothing like the Kieth of old is he.    Yes he needs to clean up some of his stuff in his own end ... maybe he's the second coming of Brent Sopel lol, who also had a tough time in his own end ... but at 22 he certainly isn't "garbage, slow, blah  blah blah..."   So far it looks like out of that group of excellent D's, Dahlin shouldn't have gone number one,  QHs/Dobson are fairly equal in value all considered - ones a RHD and 6'4", the other is maybe Phil Housley lite because he doesn't score goals.  

 

Bouchard has a bomb from the point and certainly looks like he's got a shot at their PP soon.   IF that happens lol, 60-70 points is for sure within his reach. 

 

Yep, I don’t get the hate on for Bouchard he’s nowhere near that bad or slow. 

[RWJC]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

Some recent articles on this goofy faced dummy:

 

"Bouchard’s 35 points at even strength in the regular season was by some distance the most by any Oilers rearguard during the salary cap era. Indeed, they were the most by an Edmonton d-man since Steve Smith scored 42 EVP in 1987-88. That takes us all the way back to the Wayne Gretzky years when normal rules re: scoring simply did not apply."

 

And:

"This season, Bouchard was one of only six defencemen to rank top-20 in the league in both isolated impact on even-strength scoring chances (RAPM xGF/60), and 5v5 points.

The other defencemen include Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Victor Hedman, MacKenzie Weegar, and Jaccob Slavin. Pretty decent company.

To be more specific, Bouchard ranked 4th in the league in RAPM xGF/60, and ranked in the 99th percentile; put differently, Bouchard’s impact on generating scoring chances was superior to roughly 99% of the league’s defencemen"

 

 

 

 Notice who's name isn't on that list of defenseman?   Weager and especially Slavin, are two of the league best defensive defenders...

 

And this was Bouchard's first NHL season.   Maybe Kieth had something to do with it, but he's nothing like the Kieth of old is he.    Yes he needs to clean up some of his stuff in his own end ... maybe he's the second coming of Brent Sopel lol, who also had a tough time in his own end ... but at 22 he certainly isn't "garbage, slow, blah  blah blah..."   So far it looks like out of that group of excellent D's, Dahlin shouldn't have gone number one,  QHs/Dobson are fairly equal in value all considered - ones a RHD and 6'4", the other is maybe Phil Housley lite because he doesn't score goals.  

 

Bouchard has a bomb from the point and certainly looks like he's got a shot at their PP soon.   IF that happens lol, 60-70 points is for sure within his reach. 

 

@IBatch
@aGENT

Since when do facts matter against the King’s declarations?

Off with ye heads!

Edited August 20, 2022 by RWJC

[aGENT]

11 minutes ago, RWJC said:

@IBatch
@aGENT

Since when do facts matter against the King’s declarations?

Off with ye heads!

I bug @IBatchabout Bouchard because he was VERY high on him that draft and while I agreed he would likely put up points at the NHL... He is pretty one dimensional and not a great skater, pretty meh defensively and I felt there was better options there (there was). And while those offensive stats are certainly impressive... You do have to consider the team/team mates he's playing with a bit there.

 

It's sort of a running joke we have 

 

 

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

@King Heffy 

The problem is his defence, not his offence.  I don't care what kind of analytics BS you throw out there, I've seen him play and the way he plays in his own zone is nowhere close to acceptable regardless of offensive output.  He disgraced his country with his play at the WJHC after being gifted a spot he did nothing to earn, and he still hasn't learned how to stop being a complete liability.  We clearly differ as to whether or not a defenceman who can't play defence has a place in the NHL.

[RWJC]

53 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I bug @IBatchabout Bouchard because he was VERY high on him that draft and while I agreed he would likely put up points at the NHL... He is pretty one dimensional and not a great skater, pretty meh defensively and I felt there was better options there (there was). And while those offensive stats are certainly impressive... You do have to consider the team/team mates he's playing with a bit there.

 

It's sort of a running joke we have 

 

 

For sure. I just joke because I like to encourage @King Heffy to break free from his shyness and speak his mind for once   

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The problem is his defence, not his offence.  I don't care what kind of analytics BS you throw out there, I've seen him play and the way he plays in his own zone is nowhere close to acceptable regardless of offensive output.  He disgraced his country with his play at the WJHC after being gifted a spot he did nothing to earn, and he still hasn't learned how to stop being a complete liability.  We clearly differ as to whether or not a defenceman who can't play defence has a place in the NHL.

 

Don't think we're that far off actually Hef 

 

58 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I bug @IBatchabout Bouchard because he was VERY high on him that draft and while I agreed he would likely put up points at the NHL... He is pretty one dimensional and not a great skater, pretty meh defensively and I felt there was better options there (there was). And while those offensive stats are certainly impressive... You do have to consider the team/team mates he's playing with a bit there.

 

It's sort of a running joke we have