[Rumour] Patrick Kane Trade Talks

[Alflives]

That would be a great deal for Chicago.  Don’t think Jersey is in a place where they should be going all in just yet.  That’s a lot of futures. 

[Dazzle]

11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That would be a great deal for Chicago.  Don’t think Jersey is in a place where they should be going all in just yet.  That’s a lot of futures. 

Huh? It might just put them over the top.

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Dazzle

[Master Mind]

I understand why NJ would want to buy, but I'd think it's better for them to wait till deadline to prove their success is sustainable.

[Trebreh]

that rumoured package is a huge haul if true. It always amazes me how other teams are able to trade their top players and get value back for their asset. Meanwhile.. in Canuck land, we get nothing but low ball offers at the TD for JT.

 

 

[Provost]

29 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

My guess would be Kane at 50%. 
NJ is kicking ass this year and would probably like to add for a run. 
 

Also, that is a large chunk of cap coming off for next year so they can upgrade in the offseason and afford a couple

raises for some of the young fellas 

They could afford both Miller and Horvat at 50% retained for the same price as Kane at 50%.

 

Their only cap crunch is this year.

[King Heffy]

I pity the Chicago staffer tasked with driving Kane to the airport.

[RWJC]

28 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I pity the Chicago staffer tasked with driving Kane to the airport.

I would borrow and wear a goalie’s cage if I was the driver, just to be safe. 

[R3aL]

Strange wouldn’t have guessed that but maybe they feel like they are set everywhere in lineup with a lot of youth on cheap contracts coming up.. 

 

do they go Bratt-Hughes-Kane

 

or do duos 

 

hughes-bratt

hischier-kane

 

Either way that’s quite a nasty add to a team that’s playing insanely well 

 

but not the guy I’d think they would target 

[eeeeergh]

45 minutes ago, Trebreh said:

that rumoured package is a huge haul if true. It always amazes me how other teams are able to trade their top players and get value back for their asset. Meanwhile.. in Canuck land, we get nothing but low ball offers at the TD for JT.

 

 

If true, Lundkvist + a 1st + chytil was a very good return

 

Blue chip prospect + 1st + young roster player

[Fanuck]

I hope NJ does this.

It'll just skyrocket BoHo's value to any Eastern contending team hopefully. 

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

If true, Lundkvist + a 1st + chytil was a very good return

 

Blue chip prospect + 1st + young roster player

Defenceman who can't play defence + Late 1st + decent middle 6 forward

 

Sure sounds like Raymond, Ballard, and a pick to me.

[NHL97OneTimer]

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

I understand why NJ would want to buy, but I'd think it's better for them to wait till deadline to prove their success is sustainable.

There are times when deadline deals work, but so often it's too late in the year to gel.  If there's a player you're targeting and he's available for a price you're happy with, you do it early. 

[eeeeergh]

Just now, King Heffy said:

Defenceman who can't play defence + Late 1st + decent middle 6 forward

 

Sure sounds like Raymond, Ballard, and a pick to me.

Lundkvist was flipped for a 1st to Dallas, and is getting 17.5 mins a night there., doing very well. Even if he wasnt a fit here, he would net us another 1st.

 

so 2x 1sts + a middle-6 forward for JT.. not bad. 

[NHL97OneTimer]

1 hour ago, Trebreh said:

that rumoured package is a huge haul if true. It always amazes me how other teams are able to trade their top players and get value back for their asset. Meanwhile.. in Canuck land, we get nothing but low ball offers at the TD for JT.

 

 

It certainly feels like it.  Kinda like getting a 35% currency hit when buying stuff but I think it's likely more personal than that.  The Canucks have long been unfavored although NJ and Florida have tended to play nice in the sandbox.

[King Heffy]

Just now, eeeeergh said:

Lundkvist was flipped for a 1st to Dallas, and is getting 17.5 mins a night there., doing very well. Even if he wasnt a fit here, he would net us another 1st.

 

so 2x 1sts + a middle-6 forward for JT.. not bad. 

Which is fine until you realize there was a risk that management might not have traded him and we would be stuck watching that pylon stink up the joint on our blueline.  Rangers weren't willing to give up anything of actual use and are suffering the consequences too.

[Mustard Tiger]

Hellllllllll nahhhhhh. Selling severson on his own brings over half that value lmao! They still have a full top pair in hughes-nemec plus soooooo much more to come it's kinda silly

[RWJC]

11 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Defenceman who can't play defence + Late 1st + decent middle 6 forward

 

Sure sounds like Raymond, Ballard, and a pick to me.

Yeah but having an extra 1st round pick (Lundqvist) out of the deal would be a pretty good achievement for this club right now. We need Trader Jim to get to work and live up to his rep. 

[mll]

Sounds more like speculation than rumours.  Dan Rosen doesn't even buy it.

 

It's a weird target.  NJD is relentlessness and never gives up - that's not guys like Kane who when they lose the puck don't always put in the full effort to get back after it. 

 

Can't see Miller being a fit for the same reasons + he's too old to fit their pillars as Fitzgerald calls Hughes/Hischier.  Dellow, their head of analytics who reports directly to ownership, has always criticised teams who give long term deals to players at 30 given the inevitable age decline.

NJD always says that building a contender is not about hoarding talent but having pieces that fit together.  Again last month Fitzgerald was talking about how you need complementary players like Haula, Tatar, Wood.  Don't see why they would want to pay Horvat 8-9M to be C3 or why himself would want to play behind Hughes/Hischier.  

 

1 hour ago, Provost said:

They could afford both Miller and Horvat at 50% retained for the same price as Kane at 50%.

 

Their only cap crunch is this year.

Miller doesn't fit their culture.  Can't imagine they want that kind of give up on plays and limited backchecking around their young players.  

 

Since when they would be allowed to retain only on this year.  Have you seen confirmation.  

 

Can't find anything in the CBA but the league has their own interpretation of rules that are unclear - eg the 35+ buyout rule staying on the books was never written in the CBA but was still applied that way.  

[aGENT]

23 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Lundkvist was flipped for a 1st to Dallas, and is getting 17.5 mins a night there., doing very well. Even if he wasnt a fit here, he would net us another 1st.

 

so 2x 1sts + a middle-6 forward for JT.. not bad. 

And the cap space to move Rathbone + for Marino...

[HKSR]

11 minutes ago, mll said:

Sounds more like speculation than rumours.  Dan Rosen doesn't even buy it.

 

It's a weird target.  NJD is relentlessness and never gives up - that's not guys like Kane who when they lose the puck don't always put in the full effort to get back after it. 

 

Can't see Miller being a fit for the same reasons + he's too old to fit their pillars as Fitzgerald calls Hughes/Hischier.  Dellow, their head of analytics who reports directly to ownership, has always criticised teams who give long term deals to players at 30 given the inevitable age decline.

NJD always says that building a contender is not about hoarding talent but having pieces that fit together.  Again last month Fitzgerald was talking about how you need complementary players like Haula, Tatar, Wood.  Don't see why they would want to pay Horvat 8-9M to be C3 or why himself would want to play behind Hughes/Hischier.  

 

Miller doesn't fit their culture.  Can't imagine they want that kind of give up on plays and limited backchecking around their young players.  

 

Since when they would be allowed to retain only on this year.  Have you seen confirmation.  

 

Can't find anything in the CBA but the league has their own interpretation of rules that are unclear - eg the 35+ buyout rule staying on the books was never written in the CBA but was still applied that way.  

Blah blah blah... NJD says this, NJD says that... how to build a contender Yada Yada Yada...

 

Translation: WIN 1ST OVERALL 2 OUT OF 3 YEARS AND YOU TOO CAN HAVE A WINNING FORMULA.