HKSR Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, mll said: Sounds more like speculation than rumours. Dan Rosen doesn't even buy it. It's a weird target. NJD is relentlessness and never gives up - that's not guys like Kane who when they lose the puck don't always put in the full effort to get back after it. Can't see Miller being a fit for the same reasons + he's too old to fit their pillars as Fitzgerald calls Hughes/Hischier. Dellow, their head of analytics who reports directly to ownership, has always criticised teams who give long term deals to players at 30 given the inevitable age decline. NJD always says that building a contender is not about hoarding talent but having pieces that fit together. Again last month Fitzgerald was talking about how you need complementary players like Haula, Tatar, Wood. Don't see why they would want to pay Horvat 8-9M to be C3 or why himself would want to play behind Hughes/Hischier. Miller doesn't fit their culture. Can't imagine they want that kind of give up on plays and limited backchecking around their young players. Since when they would be allowed to retain only on this year. Have you seen confirmation. Can't find anything in the CBA but the league has their own interpretation of rules that are unclear - eg the 35+ buyout rule staying on the books was never written in the CBA but was still applied that way. Blah blah blah... NJD says this, NJD says that... how to build a contender Yada Yada Yada... Translation: WIN 1ST OVERALL 2 OUT OF 3 YEARS AND YOU TOO CAN HAVE A WINNING FORMULA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 minute ago, aGENT said: And the cap space to move Rathbone + for Marino... Yup. I do feel like we have another shot at what we need to accomplish, by moving Horvat. I don't hate the 8 million dollar Miller contract, considering some of the absurd contracts other teams have given out, and that he's got a point per game average in all 4 years as a Canuck. Get him a defensively responsible winger, and he can go back to center. No more stupid cross ice passes if he's not playing on the wall. He's good on faceoffs too. With cap space, and Myers' contract falling off next year, we can make a serious play to rebuild the defense. We're a better team with a rebuilt D, even without Horvat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Blah blah blah... NJD says this, NJD says that... how to build a contender Yada Yada Yada... Translation: WIN 1ST OVERALL 2 OUT OF 3 YEARS AND YOU TOO CAN HAVE A WINNING FORMULA. Trading peanuts for top 4 right hand d-man from teams that can't afford em also helps I am contractually obligated to bring up management sleeping on Marino til he retires or they're removed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Trading peanuts for top 4 right hand d-man from teams that can't afford em also helps I am contractually obligated to bring up management sleeping on Marino til he retires or they're removed. Yeah but you gotta wonder where they would be if they had 2nd overall instead of 1st overall in each of those years... Kaapo Kakko instead of Jack Hughes Nolan Patrick instead of Nico Hischier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Trading peanuts for top 4 right hand d-man from teams that can't afford em also helps I am contractually obligated to bring up management sleeping on Marino til he retires or they're removed. 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: And the cap space to move Rathbone + for Marino... Beat you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Yeah but you gotta wonder where they would be if they had 2nd overall instead of 1st overall in each of those years... Kaapo Kakko instead of Jack Hughes Nolan Patrick instead of Nico Hischier Nolan Patrick was the victim of injuries. It could very easily have happened to anyone. But I get your meaning. Must be nice winning the lottery instead of dropping from 2-5 in back to back drafts. I AM NOT MAD OR ANYTHING. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Beat you Oh you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Nolan Patrick was the victim of injuries. It could very easily have happened to anyone. But I get your meaning. Must be nice winning the lottery instead of dropping from 2-5 in back to back drafts. I AM NOT MAD OR ANYTHING. What’s wrong with Lafrenierre and Dach? Another couple of craperolla bustaroo bonsais. Total wasted picks. Hawks dumperooed their craperolla though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, HKSR said: Blah blah blah... NJD says this, NJD says that... how to build a contender Yada Yada Yada... Translation: WIN 1ST OVERALL 2 OUT OF 3 YEARS AND YOU TOO CAN HAVE A WINNING FORMULA. Pettersson - Hischier drafted the same year. Canucks have Pettersson and Quinn Hughes - also a combo that can carry a franchise + they have the goaltending in Demko. Right now they've simply failed to find the right pieces that fit together. NJD completely rebuild their D-corps over the past 20 months. Of their current regulars only Severson was drafted by them. Their top-4 are all new players acquired recently. Siegenthaler for a 3rd round pick in April 2021. Graves for a 2nd in July 2021. Hamilton free agent signing in summer 2021. Marino this past off-season by trade and Smith free agent signing this past summer. Vancouver could have done the same if they weren't stuck with the wrong contracts. Edited December 14, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 A fading veteran to play with Hughes to be a mentor like Sundin and the Sedins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: I pity the Chicago staffer tasked with driving Kane to the airport. Edited December 14, 2022 by Gawdzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) I think Jersey has enough speed/skill variety. I’d be looking for veteran grit and depth. Kane seems a bit redundant to me Edited December 14, 2022 by 70seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, mll said: Pettersson - Hischier drafted the same year. Canucks have Pettersson and Quinn Hughes - also a combo that can carry a franchise + they have the goaltending in Demko. Right now they've simply failed to find the right pieces that fit together. NJD completely rebuild their D-corps over the past 18 months. Of their current regulars only Severson was drafted by them. Their top-4 are all new players acquired recently. Siegenthaler for a 3rd round pick in April 2021. Graves for a 2nd in July 2021. Hamilton free agent signing in summer 2021. Marino this past off-season by trade and Smith free agent signing this past summer. Vancouver could have done the same if they weren't stuck with the wrong contracts. They can’t carry this franchise atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, mll said: Pettersson - Hischier drafted the same year. Canucks have Pettersson and Quinn Hughes - also a combo that can carry a franchise + they have the goaltending in Demko. Right now they've simply failed to find the right pieces that fit together. NJD completely rebuild their D-corps over the past 18 months. Of their current regulars only Severson was drafted by them. Their top-4 are all new players acquired recently. Siegenthaler for a 3rd round pick in April 2021. Graves for a 2nd in July 2021. Hamilton free agent signing in summer 2021. Marino this past off-season by trade and Smith free agent signing this past summer. Vancouver could have done the same if they weren't stuck with the wrong contracts. Buddy if they had 2nd overall both those years instead of 1st overall... Kaapo Kaako instead of Jack Hughes Nolan Patrick instead of Nico Hischier Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 People are saying NJ is great because they picked #1 twice. Yeah that helped but it is the depth of quality youth that they have drafted and developed from building up pics and developing players that is impressive. That is really never how JR has worked. Don’t expect him to here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Bedard to Chicago. They’ll start the cycle all over and win another 3 cups starting in 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, DeNiro said: Bedard to Chicago. They’ll start the cycle all over and win another 3 cups starting in 6 years. Right now I wish they would let me have the middle finger emoji. Breath, release, breath, release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Better for NJ over EDM which were rumors too :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Nolan Patrick was the victim of injuries. It could very easily have happened to anyone. But I get your meaning. Must be nice winning the lottery instead of dropping from 2-5 in back to back drafts. I AM NOT MAD OR ANYTHING. I'd rather have Petey than Hischier so glad we dropped to 5th in 2017... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Defenceman who can't play defence + Late 1st + decent middle 6 forward Sure sounds like Raymond, Ballard, and a pick to me. Well looking at asset value late first a serviceable middle six C and a D prospect that was flipped for another first. sounds better to me than Raymond Ballard and a 2nd to me. And then we’d have had the cap space to add a dman or make D end changes or just to sign Bo for a much more team friendly deal in the summer and have money for kuzmenko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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