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Let's do a quick reflection here. If the team was good enough, we'd be retooling, which would involve the shuffling of players, in the hopes of improving.

 

We are apparently two years away though.

 

Then we have to consider Miller, specifically with re-signing him. We also have Motte, plus the problem of re-qualifying Boeser, among other troubles.

 

If the team was built well enough, then we'd be pushing for the playoffs, which oddly would imply that Benning did a good job constructing the team.

 

However, if Benning was the root cause for the team's problems (as people love to claim), JR and company have the opportunity to sell off Miller (get a bunch of awesome prospects/return in the process), and start fresh. This is a much better position than what Gillis left this team in.

 

No action, and we claim Richardson?

 

Sorry folks, for those claiming that JR/All in would save the day, this is not happening. Motte is gonna walk, so we'll have Benning 2.0. We just spent a third rounder to ostensibly help us make the playoffs, and we are risking the devaluation of Miller, especially if we run the risk of injuring him.

 

This team is not going anywhere for a while. We are not good enough to "stand pat". We have to be selling or buying. Given that we are doing nothing, we will get nothing.

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Totally agree.  Our owner is guiding the philosophy.  Not the player moves, but the philosophy of retool over proper rebuild.  And even the retool he won't allow to go deep enough.  Just bad news all around since our owner foolishly fired Gillis (our best GM ever) because Gillis said we needed to rebuild.  

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Just now, Alflives said:

Totally agree.  Our owner is guiding the philosophy.  Not the player moves, but the philosophy of retool over proper rebuild.  And even the retool he won't allow to go deep enough.  Just bad news all around since our owner foolishly fired Gillis (our best GM ever) because Gillis said we needed to rebuild.  

Gillis did little to help with the rebuild because he couldn't draft worth a damn. Even if he had these great ideas, he couldn't execute the way he wanted.

 

We should not be standing pat. We are five points or so out of a playoff spot. This team is obviously not one or two pieces away from being a playoff contender.

 

It's just hypocritical of people to point out that there's a "change" in philosophy when the core is still Benning's, and we are not looking to the future. We are trying to make the playoffs, and this makes us no different than the criticism that Benning has faced throughout his tenure.

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1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Gillis did little to help with the rebuild because he couldn't draft worth a damn. Even if he had these great ideas, he couldn't execute the way he wanted.

 

We should not be standing pat. We are five points or so out of a playoff spot. This team is obviously not one or two pieces away from being a playoff contender.

 

It's just hypocritical of people to point out that there's a "change" in philosophy when the core is still Benning's, and we are not looking to the future. We are trying to make the playoffs, and this makes us no different than the criticism that Benning has faced throughout his tenure.

I agree.  Our owner will not allow a proper rebuild or a deeper retool.  Different management buy same owner, so same philosophy.  

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I agree. We should either have been buyers to help with the playoff push or sellers to retool the team for a run a couple of years from now. 
 

Benning made major moves in the summer to try and improve this team. They may not have all panned out but at least he tried. 
 

We hire 5 GM’s to replace him and we get to the deadline and nothing happens. No buying or selling. 
 

Looks like there are too many cooks in the kitchen and most of them are pretty raw and like to overcook the salmon. 

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I'm meh about the whole thing.

 

The risk was always doing nothing.  Which leads to wtf do we do about Boeser, How much do we pay Miller.  Is Bo a 2nd or 3rd line centre?  is Petey an actual 1c?  How the hell do we actually help the defense on a dollar store budget and zero prospects while ensuring Rathbone never gets a shot at LHD in the NHL on this team

 

If the team does nothing so be it.

 

It will make PA/JR and managements jobs that much harder coming in to the off season which makes our jobs as armchair GMs and fans that much more interesting.

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7 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Let's do a quick reflection here. If the team was good enough, we'd be retooling, which would involve the shuffling of players, in the hopes of improving.

 

We are apparently two years away though.

 

Then we have to consider Miller, specifically with re-signing him. We also have Motte, plus the problem of re-qualifying Boeser, among other troubles.

 

If the team was built well enough, then we'd be pushing for the playoffs, which oddly would imply that Benning did a good job constructing the team.

 

However, if Benning was the root cause for the team's problems (as people love to claim), JR and company have the opportunity to sell off Miller (get a bunch of awesome prospects/return in the process), and start fresh. This is a much better position than what Gillis left this team in.

 

No action, and we claim Richardson?

 

Sorry folks, for those claiming that JR/All in would save the day, this is not happening. Motte is gonna walk, so we'll have Benning 2.0. We just spent a third rounder to ostensibly help us make the playoffs, and we are risking the devaluation of Miller, especially if we run the risk of injuring him.

 

This team is not going anywhere for a while. We are not good enough to "stand pat". We have to be selling or buying. Given that we are doing nothing, we will get nothing.

I'm not sure it's time to draw that conclusion.

If they're not trading Motte, it means they plan on re-signing him. 

Other than that, there's no reason they have to take action right now - there will be more buyers in the offseason for our pieces when teams let UFAs walk. 

Look at the Hamonic to Ottawa trade - we absolutely fleeced Ottawa. They gave us an asset for an overpayed defenseman in decline because they like him. 

JR/PA should ONLY be trying to take trades like that where they win, or solid hockey deals that don't hinder us in the long run. It's hard to make those types of deals, it takes time and patience. 

As a side note - a lot of the players that would be obvious moves (Pearson, Myers are my two best examples) have no trade clauses. Moving Boeser right now is difficult because contending teams don't have the cap space for him, and non-contending teams don't want to roll the dice on a pending RFA. We have a better chance of moving him if we're going to in the offseason. 

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sucks we made no trades today, guess no good offers came for brock/garland/motte ....was hoping to trade brock, since he not worth what his new contract was suppose to be

 

no offence but our team is no were near a playoff team, esp with these horrid 1st period starts that plague the canucks

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7 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

I'm not sure it's time to draw that conclusion.

If they're not trading Motte, it means they plan on re-signing him. 

Other than that, there's no reason they have to take action right now - there will be more buyers in the offseason for our pieces when teams let UFAs walk. 

Look at the Hamonic to Ottawa trade - we absolutely fleeced Ottawa. They gave us an asset for an overpayed defenseman in decline because they like him. 

JR/PA should ONLY be trying to take trades like that where they win, or solid hockey deals that don't hinder us in the long run. It's hard to make those types of deals, it takes time and patience. 

As a side note - a lot of the players that would be obvious moves (Pearson, Myers are my two best examples) have no trade clauses. Moving Boeser right now is difficult because contending teams don't have the cap space for him, and non-contending teams don't want to roll the dice on a pending RFA. We have a better chance of moving him if we're going to in the offseason. 

We risk losing Miller's value due to injury, or bad performance. Now was the time to cash out, and yet we did the most useless thing of adding to our lineup. Might as well trade a draft pick to solidify our top six too.

 

Miller is worth so much... We could have a superstar prospect come in in a year or two. Instead, we are gonna have to sign Miller for something outrageous because we didn't want to let him go.

 

We acquired him for a mid first round pick. Anything more than that is already a profit.

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1 minute ago, x00x said:

sucks we made no trades today, guess no good offers came for brock/garland/motte ....was hoping to trade brock, since he not worth what his new contract was suppose to be

We are going to remain a mediocre team, unfortunately.

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Just now, Dazzle said:

We risk losing Miller's value due to injury, or bad performance. Now was the time to cash out, and yet we did the most useless thing of adding to our lineup. Might as well trade a draft pick to solidify our top six too.

 

Miller is worth so much... We could have a superstar prospect come in in a year or two. Instead, we are gonna have to sign Miller for something outrageous because we didn't want to let him go.

 

We acquired him for a mid first round pick. Anything more than that is already a profit.

Most of the time, trading your best player does not work out well. However, if they got a knock-your-socks-off offer, they would have traded him. The fact that they didn't means they were getting BS offers like "Late 1st, Lundqvist, Chytil". 

You don't need to trade Miller to create cap space if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years, there are other moves you can make and build around Miller.

Gamebreaking centers like Miller that don't get injured are unicorns. We won't be able to replace him if we lose him. 

 

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Just now, eeeeergh said:

Most of the time, trading your best player does not work out well. However, if they got a knock-your-socks-off offer, they would have traded him. The fact that they didn't means they were getting BS offers like "Late 1st, Lundqvist, Chytil". 

You don't need to trade Miller to create cap space if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years, there are other moves you can make and build around Miller.

Gamebreaking centers like Miller that don't get injured are unicorns. We won't be able to replace him if we lose him. 

 

Its sad the depth on our farm is soooooo bad and that's the main reason we have to keep Miller. At least for now.

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Just now, eeeeergh said:

Most of the time, trading your best player does not work out well. However, if they got a knock-your-socks-off offer, they would have traded him. The fact that they didn't means they were getting BS offers like "Late 1st, Lundqvist, Chytil". 

You don't need to trade Miller to create cap space if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years, there are other moves you can make and build around Miller.

Gamebreaking centers like Miller that don't get injured are unicorns. We won't be able to replace him if we lose him. 

 

Miller is gonna be 30 soon, and we'll be signing him for 9 million for 6 years. Didn't we make the "mistake" with Player Name?

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Just now, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Its sad the depth on our farm is soooooo bad and that's the main reason we have to keep Miller. At least for now.

It's because management doesn't have the guts to rebuild. Same story with Gillis, Benning, and now JR. So much for the "vision" that people praised about JR.

 

Soon we're gonna see people turn on JR after year 3.

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Just now, Dazzle said:

Miller is gonna be 30 soon, and we'll be signing him for 9 million for 6 years. Didn't we make the "mistake" with Player Name?

Player name is not Miller, and this is FAR from the last time to be able to trade Miller if we're going to do it. 

It's better to be patient and wait for the right return, and if the right return isn't out there, make other moves. 

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