Popular Post RU SERIOUS Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Here is the final and true individual player "cost per goal" & "cost per point" for this past season. .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter. It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos.... (*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss) Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 32 $164,062 99 $ 53,030 Garland $4,950.000 19 $260,526 52 $ 95,192 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 D-MEN: Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 68 $115,441 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 17 $ 50,000 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 17 $ 47,059 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 TOTAL Avg cost per Goal; *234 $301,893 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 234 Goals) TOTAL Avg cost per Assist; 623 $113,392 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 623 Assist) *The other 15 goals scored by the team this year - totalling 249, is from other players not listed. Edited May 3, 2022 by RU SERIOUS 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Man that's entry level stuff from Miller. And Loui level stuff from Poolman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCKER67 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 For his salary, Chiasson was a beauty this year. I hope they re-sign him. I also think Dermott has been very good and VAN won that trade. He's just going to get better. I find Myers to be the most frustrating player on the team. Is there an award for that? Such size - surely he would let bombs fly from the point and crush opponents legally every chance he got, like Schenn. Nope, Myers thinks he's Gretzky out there with the puck, trying to create offence. He's so awkward and gangly, he can't make quick turns, gets caught up ice. His passing always seems to be off too, lots of giveaways and mistakes, bad penalties. I'm sorry, but he's got to go. It's not even about his salary. Give that $6 to a big D man who can play good defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Unless Boeser is scoring, he's not really doing much else. And he's getting paid too much money considering what he scores. If there's a big name gone this offseason I hope it's him. If the Canucks could dump OEL in the offseason that'd be an epic win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Unless Boeser is scoring, he's not really doing much else. And he's getting paid too much money considering what he scores. If there's a big name gone this offseason I hope it's him. If the Canucks could dump OEL in the offseason that'd be an epic win. While I agree Boeser needs to score more he’s basically right in line with his peers at goals per game as laid out above. Too many people are focusing on his qualifying offer. He actually had an average season when looking at his AAV. Neither bad nor good. In all likely hood he probably will score more in the future and likely either traded or signed to a deal not much more then they are paying him now. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Now, what does a breakdown like this look like on an elite team like the Panthers? How many bad contracts do they have, how many steals do they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kloubek Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 While I appreciate the work put into this, I think there are so many variables not included that it's a moot exercise as a real measuring attempt. The game isn't just about getting points, but so many other elements. Still, fun for entertainment purposes if nothing else... 4 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: With only one game to go, thought It would be interesting to see what the true individual player cost per goal & point was for this past season. .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter. It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos.... (*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss) Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point. Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 31 $169,355 98 $ 53,571 Garland $4,950.000 18 $275,000 50 $ 99,000 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 67 $117,164 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 16 $ 53,125 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 16 $ 50,000 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 can you do a $ per hit? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 Just updated this to include the stats from the last game against Edmonton. The table is now Finalized for the entire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) Can you average salary per % of season played? Pretty disingenuous to equate a player like poolman's 3 points to assuming he played a full season at $2.5M when he only played less than half the season, and that under our previous coaching regime before this team actually had better coaching, or Travis Dermott's 2 points with the team vs a $1.5M salary hit when he played the majority of the season with Toronto and had a total of 7 points this season. Edited May 1, 2022 by Psycho_Path 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 While the work to produce the table is commendable, without factoring in games played (and realistically, actual minutes played would make things even more accurate), the table as it's presently presented is meaningless. 11 hours ago, Psycho_Path said: Pretty disingenuous to equate a player like poolman's 3 points to assuming he played a full season at $2.5M when he only played less than half the season Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: While the work to produce the table is commendable, without factoring in games played (and realistically, actual minutes played would make things even more accurate), the table as it's presently presented is meaningless. Exactly. That and a lot more goes into being an effective player than scoring. Yes, some guys need to score to be a help to their team because they contribute nothing else. But the vast majority of players are actually contributing things other than scoring or they wouldn’t be in the league. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Alflives said: That and a lot more goes into being an effective player than scoring. Agreed. However, my perspective of this topic is more from an academic (metrics) point of view. Goals/points by player contract value is one metric that can be used to measure in a fishbowl containing many other metrics, and can be an important metric for the right players, but as a metric, it's meaningless if you're not factoring in actual time on ice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) On 5/1/2022 at 10:16 AM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Agreed. However, my perspective of this topic is more from an academic (metrics) point of view. Goals/points by player contract value is one metric that can be used to measure in a fishbowl containing many other metrics, and can be an important metric for the right players, but as a metric, it's meaningless if you're not factoring in actual time on ice. Added in aniother set of calculations factoring in T.O.I. (2nd Table below) COST PER GOAL & ASSIST BASED ON SALARY: Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 32 $164,062 99 $ 53,030 Garland $4,950.000 19 $260,526 52 $ 95,192 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 D-MEN: Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 68 $115,441 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 17 $ 50,000 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 17 $ 47,059 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 ************************************************************************************************************************* Time PER GOAL & ASSIST Factoring in T.O.I. Player: T.O.I. 21-22: $/Min Goals: Min/Goal: Points: Min/Point: FORWARDS; Pettersson 1487:36 $4,943 32 46 68 22 Boeser 1320:32 $4,451 23 57 46 29 Horvat 1365:47 $4,029 31 44(Low) 52 26 Miller 1686:09 $3,114 32 53 99 17(Low) Garland 1263:20 $3,919 19 66 52 24 Pearson 1091:44 $2,979 14 78 34 32 Sutter Dickinson 808:36 $3,280 5 162 11 73 Hoglander 786:53 $1,134 10 79 18 44 Podkolzin 1010:29 $ 916 14 72 26 39 Lockwood 147:25 $5,728 0 0 Richardson 185:03 $4,324 2 93 4 46 Chiasson 777:14 $ 965 13 59 22 35 Petan 185:10 $4,054 0 2 93 Lammikko 920:42 $ 815 7 131 15 61 Dries 113:18 $6,637(High) 2 56 3 38 Highmore 583:58 $1,241 5 117 12 49 D-MEN: Hughes 1919:10 $4,091 8 240 68 28 OEL 1763:24 $4,118 5 352 29 61 Poolman 680:03 $3,676 1 680 3 227(High) Myers 1802:10 $3,330 1 1802(High) 18 100 Dermott 287:12 $5,226 1 287 2 144 Schenn 1135:51 $ 749(Low)5 227 17 67 Hunt 762:39 $1,050 3 254 17 44 Burroughs 543:20 $1,381 1 543 5 107 Edited May 4, 2022 by RU SERIOUS 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Added in aniother set of calculations factoring in T.O.I. (2nd Table below) COST PER GOAL & ASSIST BASED ON SALARY: Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 32 $164,062 99 $ 53,030 Garland $4,950.000 19 $260,526 52 $ 95,192 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 D-MEN: Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 68 $115,441 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 17 $ 50,000 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 17 $ 47,059 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 ************************************************************************************************************************* Time PER GOAL & ASSIST Factoring in T.O.I. Player: T.O.I. 21-22: $/Min Goals: Min/Goal: Assist: Min/Assist: FORWARDS; Pettersson 1487:36 $4,943 32 46 68 22 Boeser 1320:32 $4,451 23 57 46 29 Horvat 1365:47 $4,029 31 44(Low) 52 26 Miller 1686:09 $3,114 32 53 99 17(Low) Garland 1263:20 $3,919 19 66 52 24 Pearson 1091:44 $2,979 14 78 34 32 Sutter Dickinson 808:36 $3,280 5 162 11 73 Hoglander 786:53 $1,134 10 79 18 44 Podkolzin 1010:29 $ 916 14 72 26 39 Lockwood 147:25 $5,728 0 0 Richardson 185:03 $4,324 2 93 4 46 Chiasson 777:14 $ 965 13 59 22 35 Petan 185:10 $4,054 0 2 93 Lammikko 920:42 $ 815 7 131 15 61 Dries 113:18 $6,637(High) 2 56 3 38 Highmore 583:58 $1,241 5 117 12 49 D-MEN: Hughes 1919:10 $4,091 8 240 68 28 OEL 1763:24 $4,118 5 352 29 61 Poolman 680:03 $3,676 1 680 3 227(High) Myers 1802:10 $3,330 1 1802(High) 18 100 Dermott 287:12 $5,226 1 287 2 144 Schenn 1135:51 $ 749(Low)5 227 17 67 Hunt 762:39 $1,050 3 254 17 44 Burroughs 543:20 $1,381 1 543 5 107 Just wanted to point out that your "assists" (for table 2) appears to be actually "points" (since JT had 99 points, not 99 assists). Edited May 3, 2022 by 6of1_halfdozenofother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) On 4/30/2022 at 10:54 PM, Psycho_Path said: Can you average salary per % of season played? Pretty disingenuous to equate a player like poolman's 3 points to assuming he played a full season at $2.5M when he only played less than half the season, and that under our previous coaching regime before this team actually had better coaching, or Travis Dermott's 2 points with the team vs a $1.5M salary hit when he played the majority of the season with Toronto and had a total of 7 points this season. Poolman +2 in 40 games, most of those under the tire fire Green's coaching. Edited May 3, 2022 by Hairy Kneel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 ya, I get why people don't want to see Poolman back (perception/point totals), but he's excellent for his role IMO. I'd be happy to see him back, especially under Boudreau's coaching. That 2nd table has the same problem as the first. Love those salary per minute projections for lockwood and dries, lol... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/1/2022 at 6:13 PM, Alflives said: That and a lot more goes into being an effective player than scoring. Yes, some guys need to score to be a help to their team because they contribute nothing else. But the vast majority of players are actually contributing things other than scoring or they wouldn’t be in the league. Thank you.... If anything we need a big, stay at home, mean crease clearing Dman (if not two) to play with Hughes and OEL,,, They won't come cheap and won't score much goals, but are needed big time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) On 4/29/2022 at 12:51 PM, RU SERIOUS said: Here is the final and true individual player "cost per goal" & "cost per point" for this past season. .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter. It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos.... (*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss) Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Just want to point out that you're attributing the full season salary for these two when they were both trade deadline acquisitions. We didn't pay their full season salary, actually less than 20%, so their cost per goal/point claculation is highly inflated. Edit: It should also be pointed out that callups on two way contracts are also inflated. They only earn their higher NHL salary while on a callup. Meaning their cost is also inflated by using the full year salary.. Edited May 6, 2022 by Baggins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baggins said: Just want to point out that you're attributing the full season salary for these two when they were both trade deadline acquisitions. We didn't pay their full season salary, actually less than 20%, so their cost per goal/point claculation is highly inflated. Thanks and as I initially mentioned..................."and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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