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For his salary, Chiasson was a beauty this year. I hope they re-sign him. 

 

I also think Dermott has been very good and VAN won that trade. He's just going to get better.

 

I find Myers to be the most frustrating player on the team. Is there an award for that?  Such size - surely he would let bombs fly from the point and crush opponents legally every chance he got, like Schenn. Nope, Myers thinks he's Gretzky out there with the puck, trying to create offence. He's so awkward and gangly, he can't make quick turns, gets caught up ice. His passing always seems to be off too, lots of giveaways and mistakes, bad penalties. I'm sorry, but he's got to go. It's not even about his salary. Give that $6 to a big D man who can play good defense. 

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8 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Unless Boeser is scoring, he's not really doing much else.  And he's getting paid too much money considering what he scores.  If there's a big name gone this offseason I hope it's him.  

 

If the Canucks could dump OEL in the offseason that'd be an epic win. 

While I agree Boeser needs to score more he’s basically right in line with his peers at goals per game as laid out above. Too many people are focusing on his qualifying offer. He actually had an average season when looking at his AAV. Neither bad nor good. In all likely hood he probably will score more in the future and likely either traded or signed to a deal not much more then they are paying him now.

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4 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

With only one game to go, thought It would be interesting to see what the true individual player cost per goal & point was for this past season.   .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter.  It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos....

(*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss)

 

Player:                  Cap Hit 21-22     Goals;   Cost per Goal:   Total points:      Cost per point. 

Pettersson           $7.350,000           32           $229,688              68                           $108,088             

Boeser                 $5,875.000           23           $255,435              46                           $127,717

Horvat                  $5,500.000           31           $177,419              52                           $105,769

Miller                    $5,250.000           31           $169,355              98                           $  53,571

Garland                $4,950.000           18           $275,000              50                           $  99,000

Pearson               $3,250.000           14            $232,143              34                           $  95,588

Sutter                   $1,125,000          

Dickinson             $2,650.000             5            $530,000              11                           $240,909

Hoglander            $   891,000            10           $ 89,100               18                           $ 49,500

Podkolzin             $   925,000            14           $ 66,071               26                           $ 35,577

Lockwood            $   842,000              0                                          0

Richardson          $   800,000              2            $400,000               4                            $200,000

Chiasson             $   750,000             13            $ 57,692 (LOW)   22                           $  34,091 (LOW)

Petan                   $   750,000              0                                           2                           $375,000

Lammikko            $   750,000              7             $107,142             15                           $  50,000

Dries                    $   750,000              2             $375,000               3                           $250,000

Highmore             $   725,000              5             $145,000             12                           $  60,417

 

 

Hughes               $7,850,000            8              $  981,250               67                           $117,164

OEL                     $7,260,000           5              $1,452,000              29                           $250,344

Poolman              $2,500,000           1              $2,500,000               3                            $833,333  (HIGH)

Myers                  $6,000,000           1              $6,000,000 (HIGH)  18                           $333,000

Dermott               $1,500,000           1              $1,500,000               2                            $750,000

Schenn                $  850,000            5              $  170,000              16                            $ 53,125

Hunt                     $  800,000            3              $  266,666              16                            $ 50,000

Burroughs            $  750,000            1              $  750,000               5                             $150,000

 

can you do a $ per hit?

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  • RU SERIOUS changed the title to OFFICIAL - FINAL 2021-22 Player Cost per Goal & Point

Can you average salary per % of season played? Pretty disingenuous to equate a player like poolman's 3 points to assuming he played a full season at $2.5M when he only played less than half the season, and that under our previous coaching regime before this team actually had better coaching, or Travis Dermott's 2 points with the team vs a $1.5M salary hit when he played the majority of the season with Toronto and had a total of 7 points this season.

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1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

While the work to produce the table is commendable, without factoring in games played (and realistically, actual minutes played would make things even more accurate), the table as it's presently presented is meaningless.

 

Exactly.

That and a lot more goes into being an effective player than scoring.  Yes, some guys need to score to be a help to their team because they contribute nothing else.  But the vast majority of players are actually contributing things other than scoring or they wouldn’t be in the league. 

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On 5/1/2022 at 10:16 AM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Agreed.

 

However, my perspective of this topic is more from an academic (metrics) point of view.  Goals/points by player contract value is one metric that can be used to measure in a fishbowl containing many other metrics, and can be an important metric for the right players, but as a metric, it's meaningless if you're not factoring in actual time on ice.

 

Added in aniother set of calculations factoring in T.O.I. (2nd Table below)

 

COST PER GOAL & ASSIST BASED ON SALARY:

Player:                 Cap Hit 21-22     Goals;   Cost per Goal:   Total points:        Cost per point;     

FORWARDS;

Pettersson           $7.350,000           32           $229,688              68                           $108,088             

Boeser                 $5,875.000           23           $255,435              46                           $127,717

Horvat                  $5,500.000           31           $177,419              52                           $105,769

Miller                    $5,250.000           32           $164,062              99                           $  53,030

Garland                $4,950.000           19           $260,526              52                           $  95,192

Pearson               $3,250.000           14            $232,143              34                           $  95,588

Sutter                   $1,125,000          

Dickinson             $2,650.000             5            $530,000              11                           $240,909

Hoglander            $   891,000            10           $ 89,100               18                           $ 49,500

Podkolzin             $   925,000            14           $ 66,071               26                           $ 35,577

Lockwood            $   842,000              0                                          0

Richardson          $   800,000              2            $400,000               4                          $200,000

Chiasson             $   750,000             13            $ 57,692 (LOW)  22                          $  34,091 (LOW)

Petan                   $   750,000              0                                           2                           $375,000

Lammikko           $   750,000              7             $107,142             15                           $  50,000

Dries                    $   750,000              2             $375,000               3                           $250,000

Highmore             $   725,000             5             $145,000             12                           $  60,417

 

D-MEN:

Hughes               $7,850,000           8              $  981,250               68                           $115,441

OEL                     $7,260,000           5              $1,452,000              29                           $250,344

Poolman             $2,500,000           1              $2,500,000               3                            $833,333  (HIGH)

Myers                  $6,000,000           1              $6,000,000 (HIGH)  18                           $333,000

Dermott               $1,500,000           1              $1,500,000               2                            $750,000

Schenn                $  850,000            5              $  170,000              17                            $ 50,000

Hunt                     $  800,000            3              $  266,666              17                            $ 47,059

Burroughs           $  750,000            1              $  750,000               5                             $150,000

*************************************************************************************************************************

Time PER GOAL & ASSIST  Factoring in T.O.I.

 

Player:            T.O.I. 21-22:   $/Min    Goals:  Min/Goal:    Points:  Min/Point:   

FORWARDS;

Pettersson       1487:36        $4,943      32            46                68             22           

Boeser              1320:32        $4,451      23            57               46             29          

Horvat               1365:47        $4,029      31            44(Low)     52             26         

Miller                 1686:09        $3,114      32            53               99             17(Low)           

Garland             1263:20        $3,919     19             66               52             24         

Pearson            1091:44        $2,979      14            78               34             32        

Sutter                              

Dickinson           808:36        $3,280       5            162               11            73          

Hoglander          786:53        $1,134      10              79              18            44        

Podkolzin         1010:29         $  916      14              72              26            39         

Lockwood          147:25         $5,728       0                                  0

Richardson        185:03         $4,324       2              93                4            46         

Chiasson            777:14         $  965      13              59              22            35         

Petan                  185:10         $4,054       0                                  2             93         

Lammikko          920:42         $   815       7             131              15            61        

Dries                   113:18        $6,637(High) 2            56                3            38         

Highmore           583:58         $1,241       5             117              12            49          

  

D-MEN:

Hughes             1919:10         $4,091        8            240              68             28       

OEL                   1763:24         $4,118        5            352              29             61        

Poolman             680:03         $3,676        1            680                3           227(High)     

Myers                1802:10         $3,330        1          1802(High)    18           100      

Dermott               287:12         $5,226        1            287                2           144     

Schenn              1135:51         $  749(Low)5            227              17             67     

Hunt                    762:39          $1,050       3             254             17              44       

Burroughs          543:20          $1,381       1             543               5            107       

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On 4/30/2022 at 10:54 PM, Psycho_Path said:

Can you average salary per % of season played? Pretty disingenuous to equate a player like poolman's 3 points to assuming he played a full season at $2.5M when he only played less than half the season, and that under our previous coaching regime before this team actually had better coaching, or Travis Dermott's 2 points with the team vs a $1.5M salary hit when he played the majority of the season with Toronto and had a total of 7 points this season.

Poolman +2 in 40 games, most of those under the tire fire Green's coaching. 

 

 

 

 

 

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ya, I get why people don't want to see Poolman back (perception/point totals), but he's excellent for his role IMO. I'd be happy to see him back, especially under Boudreau's coaching.

 

That 2nd table has the same problem as the first. Love those salary per minute projections for lockwood and dries, lol...

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On 5/1/2022 at 6:13 PM, Alflives said:

That and a lot more goes into being an effective player than scoring.  Yes, some guys need to score to be a help to their team because they contribute nothing else.  But the vast majority of players are actually contributing things other than scoring or they wouldn’t be in the league. 

Thank you....

If anything we need a big, stay at home, mean crease clearing Dman (if not two) to play with Hughes and OEL,,,

They won't come cheap and won't score much goals, but are needed big time...

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On 4/29/2022 at 12:51 PM, RU SERIOUS said:

Here is the final and true individual player "cost per goal" & "cost per point" for this past season.   .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter.  It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos....

(*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss)

 

Player:                 Cap Hit 21-22     Goals;   Cost per Goal:   Total points:        Cost per point;  

FORWARDS;

 

Richardson          $   800,000              2            $400,000               4                          $200,000

 

Dermott               $1,500,000           1              $1,500,000               2                            $750,000

 

Just want to point out that you're attributing the full season salary for these two when they were both trade deadline acquisitions. We didn't pay their full season salary, actually less than 20%, so their cost per goal/point claculation is highly inflated.

 

Edit:

It should also be pointed out that callups on two way contracts are also inflated. They only earn their higher NHL salary while on a callup. Meaning their cost is also inflated by using the full year salary..

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2 minutes ago, Baggins said:

Just want to point out that you're attributing the full season salary for these two when they were both trade deadline acquisitions. We didn't pay their full season salary, actually less than 20%, so their cost per goal/point claculation is highly inflated.

Thanks  and as I initially mentioned..................."and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter."

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Just now, RU SERIOUS said:

Thanks  and as I initially mentioned..................."and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter."

Injuries would still be part of the cost in my mind. Even sitting in the pressbox is part of their cost. But players we didn't pay all season seems rather unfair and makes them appear far worse than they actually were.

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3 minutes ago, Baggins said:

Injuries would still be part of the cost in my mind. Even sitting in the pressbox is part of their cost. But players we didn't pay all season seems rather unfair and makes them appear far worse than they actually were.

I don't disagree, but I could spend hours refining that table to precisely show values down to pinpoint accuracy but I don't have the time.  The general intent of the table is simply to show overall cost per player at the 1000' ft level - which it does.   If I had more time, i'd love to massage the stats down to finite NHL level detail - but that would only put Alvin & the Chipmunk Girls out of a job !

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2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

That's part of the reason why I mentioned the initial table was kind of a meaningless metric.  Points factoring in actual time on ice as a metric is much more useful (from the academic perspective of usefulness of the metric) - although as others have mentioned, contribution on the ice goes beyond points scored.

.......................and why I took the time to add in the second table (further down in the thread) - which I agree, adds another dimension to the discussion and stats.  Thanks for the suggestion.............!

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