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On 4/29/2022 at 2:04 PM, CanadianRugby said:

Unless Boeser is scoring, he's not really doing much else.  And he's getting paid too much money considering what he scores.  If there's a big name gone this offseason I hope it's him.  

 

If the Canucks could dump OEL in the offseason that'd be an epic win. 

Dude, OEL has proven to still be a good defenceman. He became the defacto number one and took it to another level when Quinn was out.
 

We are probably paying 1M more than his worth in Cap so is that worth giving up a 1st pick? Hell no. He is not moving anywhere. 

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5 hours ago, Baggins said:

Injuries would still be part of the cost in my mind. Even sitting in the pressbox is part of their cost. But players we didn't pay all season seems rather unfair and makes them appear far worse than they actually were.

Yep.   It always bugged me that Salo was made of glass.   Not like he was Edler and Tanev towing the line with nobody behind him.    When Salo played great .... when he didn't just frustrating.   Especially in a cap world. 

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4 hours ago, gurn said:

Poster(s)- "Get rid of Myers he sucks"

Reply " but who plays the minutes instead of him?

Poster(s) "Doesn't matter he sucks"

Reply " so just any  D man, that can play an average of 21:59 minutes per game?"

Posters(s)" Yah like I said he sucks"

Reply "so any D man that plays 21:59 per game at less than a $6 mill cap hit?

Poster(s)" Yah"

Reply " Name the D men that play those minutes for less than $6"

 

Poster(s)---- crickets

 

O.E.L. gets the same kind of treatment as well.

Shhh.   You don't want to blow any minds. 

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On 5/6/2022 at 11:54 AM, gurn said:

Poster(s)- "Get rid of Myers he sucks"

Reply " but who plays the minutes instead of him?

Poster(s) "Doesn't matter he sucks"

Reply " so just any  D man, that can play an average of 21:59 minutes per game?"

Posters(s)" Yah like I said he sucks"

Reply "so any D man that plays 21:59 per game at less than a $6 mill cap hit?

Poster(s)" Yah"

Reply " Name the D men that play those minutes for less than $6"

 

Poster(s)---- crickets

 

O.E.L. gets the same kind of treatment as well.

Same with pearson.  

Face it, most on this board dont understand hockey.  

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On 5/8/2022 at 6:57 AM, EddieVedder said:

Break it down per ice time instead.

Yes a couple of others suggested the same (which is a good idea).  So, I did that afterwards in a supplementary "follow-up" post which you'll find a bit further down from the original post.

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On 5/4/2022 at 12:35 AM, Psycho_Path said:

ya, I get why people don't want to see Poolman back (perception/point totals), but he's excellent for his role IMO. I'd be happy to see him back, especially under Boudreau's coaching.

 

That 2nd table has the same problem as the first. Love those salary per minute projections for lockwood and dries, lol...

Poolman has zero intensity to his game. He has no heart.   He isnt a Boudreau type player and should be the first one gone after boeser.

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After Bryan Rust just signed for $5.125m per, Boeser better not get more than $5m per. I realize Rust is older, but his past 3 seasons have all been around point per game while Boeser's production has really fallen off. Championship teams have players willing to take a pay cut to compete. Either Boeser accepts less, or I say move on from him.

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On 5/21/2022 at 9:35 PM, Xanlet said:

After Bryan Rust just signed for $5.125m per, Boeser better not get more than $5m per. I realize Rust is older, but his past 3 seasons have all been around point per game while Boeser's production has really fallen off. Championship teams have players willing to take a pay cut to compete. Either Boeser accepts less, or I say move on from him.

Agree completely!  If JR actually gives-in and agrees to keep Boeser, he should get offered $4.5-$5.5 at the most - depending on term & conditions and certainly not get a NTC.

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On 4/29/2022 at 12:51 PM, RU SERIOUS said:

Here is the final and true individual player "cost per goal" & "cost per point" for this past season.   .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter.  It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos....

(*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss)

 

Player:                 Cap Hit 21-22     Goals;   Cost per Goal:   Total points:        Cost per point;  

FORWARDS;

Pettersson           $7.350,000           32           $229,688              68                           $108,088             

Boeser                 $5,875.000           23           $255,435              46                           $127,717

Horvat                  $5,500.000           31           $177,419              52                           $105,769

Miller                    $5,250.000           32           $164,062              99                           $  53,030

Garland                $4,950.000           19           $260,526              52                           $  95,192

Pearson               $3,250.000           14            $232,143              34                           $  95,588

Sutter                   $1,125,000          

Dickinson             $2,650.000             5            $530,000              11                           $240,909

Hoglander            $   891,000            10           $ 89,100               18                           $ 49,500

Podkolzin             $   925,000            14           $ 66,071               26                           $ 35,577

Lockwood            $   842,000              0                                          0

Richardson          $   800,000              2            $400,000               4                          $200,000

Chiasson             $   750,000             13            $ 57,692 (LOW)  22                          $  34,091 (LOW)

Petan                   $   750,000              0                                           2                           $375,000

Lammikko           $   750,000              7             $107,142             15                           $  50,000

Dries                    $   750,000              2             $375,000               3                           $250,000

Highmore             $   725,000             5             $145,000             12                           $  60,417

 

D-MEN:

Hughes               $7,850,000           8              $  981,250               68                           $115,441

OEL                     $7,260,000           5              $1,452,000              29                           $250,344

Poolman             $2,500,000           1              $2,500,000               3                            $833,333  (HIGH)

Myers                  $6,000,000           1              $6,000,000 (HIGH)  18                           $333,000

Dermott               $1,500,000           1              $1,500,000               2                            $750,000

Schenn                $  850,000            5              $  170,000              17                            $ 50,000

Hunt                     $  800,000            3              $  266,666              17                            $ 47,059

Burroughs           $  750,000            1              $  750,000               5                             $150,000

 

TOTAL Avg cost per Goal;             *234          $301,893                                                                (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 234 Goals)

TOTAL Avg cost per Assist;                                                       623                             $113,392  (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 623 Assist)

*The other 15 goals scored by the team this year - totalling 249, is from other players not listed.

Since not all of them are full time players, it would make sense to adjust the cost by games played.  Since defensemen produce both less goals and assists than forwards, it would also make sense to adjust for that.  Otherwise, defensemen and part-time players will appear grossly overpaid.  Injured players, unless they are consistently injured, would also be penalized in their value assessment.

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20 hours ago, CaptainLinden16 said:

Since not all of them are full time players, it would make sense to adjust the cost by games played.  Since defensemen produce both less goals and assists than forwards, it would also make sense to adjust for that.  Otherwise, defensemen and part-time players will appear grossly overpaid.  Injured players, unless they are consistently injured, would also be penalized in their value assessment.

Time PER GOAL & ASSIST  Factoring in T.O.I.

 

Player:            T.O.I. 21-22:   $/Min    Goals:  Min/Goal:    Points:  Min/Point:   

FORWARDS;

Pettersson       1487:36        $4,943      32            46                68             22           

Boeser              1320:32        $4,451      23            57               46             29          

Horvat               1365:47        $4,029      31            44(Low)     52             26         

Miller                 1686:09        $3,114      32            53               99             17(Low)           

Garland             1263:20        $3,919     19             66               52             24         

Pearson            1091:44        $2,979      14            78               34             32        

Sutter                              

Dickinson           808:36        $3,280       5            162               11            73          

Hoglander          786:53        $1,134      10              79              18            44        

Podkolzin         1010:29         $  916      14              72              26            39         

Lockwood          147:25         $5,728       0                                  0

Richardson        185:03         $4,324       2              93                4            46         

Chiasson            777:14         $  965      13              59              22            35         

Petan                  185:10         $4,054       0                                  2             93         

Lammikko          920:42         $   815       7             131              15            61        

Dries                   113:18        $6,637(High) 2            56                3            38         

Highmore           583:58         $1,241       5             117              12            49          

  

D-MEN:

Hughes             1919:10         $4,091        8            240              68             28       

OEL                   1763:24         $4,118        5            352              29             61        

Poolman             680:03         $3,676        1            680                3           227(High)     

Myers                1802:10         $3,330        1          1802(High)    18           100      

Dermott               287:12         $5,226        1            287                2           144     

Schenn              1135:51         $  749(Low)5            227              17             67     

Hunt                    762:39          $1,050       3             254             17              44       

Burroughs          543:20          $1,381       1             543               5            107      

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1 hour ago, RU SERIOUS said:

Time PER GOAL & ASSIST  Factoring in T.O.I.

 

Player:            T.O.I. 21-22:   $/Min    Goals:  Min/Goal:    Points:  Min/Point:   

FORWARDS;

Pettersson       1487:36        $4,943      32            46                68             22           

Boeser              1320:32        $4,451      23            57               46             29          

Horvat               1365:47        $4,029      31            44(Low)     52             26         

Miller                 1686:09        $3,114      32            53               99             17(Low)           

Garland             1263:20        $3,919     19             66               52             24         

Pearson            1091:44        $2,979      14            78               34             32        

Sutter                              

Dickinson           808:36        $3,280       5            162               11            73          

Hoglander          786:53        $1,134      10              79              18            44        

Podkolzin         1010:29         $  916      14              72              26            39         

Lockwood          147:25         $5,728       0                                  0

Richardson        185:03         $4,324       2              93                4            46         

Chiasson            777:14         $  965      13              59              22            35         

Petan                  185:10         $4,054       0                                  2             93         

Lammikko          920:42         $   815       7             131              15            61        

Dries                   113:18        $6,637(High) 2            56                3            38         

Highmore           583:58         $1,241       5             117              12            49          

  

D-MEN:

Hughes             1919:10         $4,091        8            240              68             28       

OEL                   1763:24         $4,118        5            352              29             61        

Poolman             680:03         $3,676        1            680                3           227(High)     

Myers                1802:10         $3,330        1          1802(High)    18           100      

Dermott               287:12         $5,226        1            287                2           144     

Schenn              1135:51         $  749(Low)5            227              17             67     

Hunt                    762:39          $1,050       3             254             17              44       

Burroughs          543:20          $1,381       1             543               5            107      

I love numbers and this certainly is fun.  But I guess this is where statistics can become very misleading.  Looking at this data you would just assume that everyone making larger dollar amounts is overvalued.  You would think the key would be the Lammikko, Schenn, Chiasson, Podkolzin's etc..Boeser, Petterson and Horvat are pretty much the three must overvalued forwards not counting Dries.  I think where this data would be more useful would be in comparing players across certain salary bands like a 8-10M tier, 8-6M tier, 6-4M etc...

 

Great job though!

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