grandmaster Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 2:04 PM, CanadianRugby said: Unless Boeser is scoring, he's not really doing much else. And he's getting paid too much money considering what he scores. If there's a big name gone this offseason I hope it's him. If the Canucks could dump OEL in the offseason that'd be an epic win. Dude, OEL has proven to still be a good defenceman. He became the defacto number one and took it to another level when Quinn was out. We are probably paying 1M more than his worth in Cap so is that worth giving up a 1st pick? Hell no. He is not moving anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted May 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 Poster(s)- "Get rid of Myers he sucks" Reply " but who plays the minutes instead of him? Poster(s) "Doesn't matter he sucks" Reply " so just any D man, that can play an average of 21:59 minutes per game?" Posters(s)" Yah like I said he sucks" Reply "so any D man that plays 21:59 per game at less than a $6 mill cap hit? Poster(s)" Yah" Reply " Name the D men that play those minutes for less than $6" Poster(s)---- crickets O.E.L. gets the same kind of treatment as well. 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Lol! I think LE had a more than one season at 1.3 m per goal and 850k per hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Baggins said: Injuries would still be part of the cost in my mind. Even sitting in the pressbox is part of their cost. But players we didn't pay all season seems rather unfair and makes them appear far worse than they actually were. Yep. It always bugged me that Salo was made of glass. Not like he was Edler and Tanev towing the line with nobody behind him. When Salo played great .... when he didn't just frustrating. Especially in a cap world. Edited May 6, 2022 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 hours ago, gurn said: Poster(s)- "Get rid of Myers he sucks" Reply " but who plays the minutes instead of him? Poster(s) "Doesn't matter he sucks" Reply " so just any D man, that can play an average of 21:59 minutes per game?" Posters(s)" Yah like I said he sucks" Reply "so any D man that plays 21:59 per game at less than a $6 mill cap hit? Poster(s)" Yah" Reply " Name the D men that play those minutes for less than $6" Poster(s)---- crickets O.E.L. gets the same kind of treatment as well. Shhh. You don't want to blow any minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Break it down per ice time instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 11:54 AM, gurn said: Poster(s)- "Get rid of Myers he sucks" Reply " but who plays the minutes instead of him? Poster(s) "Doesn't matter he sucks" Reply " so just any D man, that can play an average of 21:59 minutes per game?" Posters(s)" Yah like I said he sucks" Reply "so any D man that plays 21:59 per game at less than a $6 mill cap hit? Poster(s)" Yah" Reply " Name the D men that play those minutes for less than $6" Poster(s)---- crickets O.E.L. gets the same kind of treatment as well. Same with pearson. Face it, most on this board dont understand hockey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/8/2022 at 6:57 AM, EddieVedder said: Break it down per ice time instead. Yes a couple of others suggested the same (which is a good idea). So, I did that afterwards in a supplementary "follow-up" post which you'll find a bit further down from the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 12:35 AM, Psycho_Path said: ya, I get why people don't want to see Poolman back (perception/point totals), but he's excellent for his role IMO. I'd be happy to see him back, especially under Boudreau's coaching. That 2nd table has the same problem as the first. Love those salary per minute projections for lockwood and dries, lol... Poolman has zero intensity to his game. He has no heart. He isnt a Boudreau type player and should be the first one gone after boeser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/8/2022 at 6:59 AM, EddieVedder said: Same with pearson. Face it, most on this board dont understand hockey. Yeah some think Boeser is useless and worthless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanlet Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 After Bryan Rust just signed for $5.125m per, Boeser better not get more than $5m per. I realize Rust is older, but his past 3 seasons have all been around point per game while Boeser's production has really fallen off. Championship teams have players willing to take a pay cut to compete. Either Boeser accepts less, or I say move on from him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 9:35 PM, Xanlet said: After Bryan Rust just signed for $5.125m per, Boeser better not get more than $5m per. I realize Rust is older, but his past 3 seasons have all been around point per game while Boeser's production has really fallen off. Championship teams have players willing to take a pay cut to compete. Either Boeser accepts less, or I say move on from him. Agree completely! If JR actually gives-in and agrees to keep Boeser, he should get offered $4.5-$5.5 at the most - depending on term & conditions and certainly not get a NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 12:51 PM, RU SERIOUS said: Here is the final and true individual player "cost per goal" & "cost per point" for this past season. .....and yes, this is simply a mathematical calculation and does not take into account games played, injuries, cloudy days, full moons etc.... and anything else for that matter. It is what it is and appologies if I missed anyone, or any typos.... (*Data extracted from Capfriendly and Canucks stat page - so shoot them if anything is amiss) Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 32 $164,062 99 $ 53,030 Garland $4,950.000 19 $260,526 52 $ 95,192 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 D-MEN: Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 68 $115,441 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 17 $ 50,000 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 17 $ 47,059 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 TOTAL Avg cost per Goal; *234 $301,893 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 234 Goals) TOTAL Avg cost per Assist; 623 $113,392 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 623 Assist) *The other 15 goals scored by the team this year - totalling 249, is from other players not listed. Since not all of them are full time players, it would make sense to adjust the cost by games played. Since defensemen produce both less goals and assists than forwards, it would also make sense to adjust for that. Otherwise, defensemen and part-time players will appear grossly overpaid. Injured players, unless they are consistently injured, would also be penalized in their value assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 20 hours ago, CaptainLinden16 said: Since not all of them are full time players, it would make sense to adjust the cost by games played. Since defensemen produce both less goals and assists than forwards, it would also make sense to adjust for that. Otherwise, defensemen and part-time players will appear grossly overpaid. Injured players, unless they are consistently injured, would also be penalized in their value assessment. Time PER GOAL & ASSIST Factoring in T.O.I. Player: T.O.I. 21-22: $/Min Goals: Min/Goal: Points: Min/Point: FORWARDS; Pettersson 1487:36 $4,943 32 46 68 22 Boeser 1320:32 $4,451 23 57 46 29 Horvat 1365:47 $4,029 31 44(Low) 52 26 Miller 1686:09 $3,114 32 53 99 17(Low) Garland 1263:20 $3,919 19 66 52 24 Pearson 1091:44 $2,979 14 78 34 32 Sutter Dickinson 808:36 $3,280 5 162 11 73 Hoglander 786:53 $1,134 10 79 18 44 Podkolzin 1010:29 $ 916 14 72 26 39 Lockwood 147:25 $5,728 0 0 Richardson 185:03 $4,324 2 93 4 46 Chiasson 777:14 $ 965 13 59 22 35 Petan 185:10 $4,054 0 2 93 Lammikko 920:42 $ 815 7 131 15 61 Dries 113:18 $6,637(High) 2 56 3 38 Highmore 583:58 $1,241 5 117 12 49 D-MEN: Hughes 1919:10 $4,091 8 240 68 28 OEL 1763:24 $4,118 5 352 29 61 Poolman 680:03 $3,676 1 680 3 227(High) Myers 1802:10 $3,330 1 1802(High) 18 100 Dermott 287:12 $5,226 1 287 2 144 Schenn 1135:51 $ 749(Low)5 227 17 67 Hunt 762:39 $1,050 3 254 17 44 Burroughs 543:20 $1,381 1 543 5 107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, RU SERIOUS said: Time PER GOAL & ASSIST Factoring in T.O.I. Player: T.O.I. 21-22: $/Min Goals: Min/Goal: Points: Min/Point: FORWARDS; Pettersson 1487:36 $4,943 32 46 68 22 Boeser 1320:32 $4,451 23 57 46 29 Horvat 1365:47 $4,029 31 44(Low) 52 26 Miller 1686:09 $3,114 32 53 99 17(Low) Garland 1263:20 $3,919 19 66 52 24 Pearson 1091:44 $2,979 14 78 34 32 Sutter Dickinson 808:36 $3,280 5 162 11 73 Hoglander 786:53 $1,134 10 79 18 44 Podkolzin 1010:29 $ 916 14 72 26 39 Lockwood 147:25 $5,728 0 0 Richardson 185:03 $4,324 2 93 4 46 Chiasson 777:14 $ 965 13 59 22 35 Petan 185:10 $4,054 0 2 93 Lammikko 920:42 $ 815 7 131 15 61 Dries 113:18 $6,637(High) 2 56 3 38 Highmore 583:58 $1,241 5 117 12 49 D-MEN: Hughes 1919:10 $4,091 8 240 68 28 OEL 1763:24 $4,118 5 352 29 61 Poolman 680:03 $3,676 1 680 3 227(High) Myers 1802:10 $3,330 1 1802(High) 18 100 Dermott 287:12 $5,226 1 287 2 144 Schenn 1135:51 $ 749(Low)5 227 17 67 Hunt 762:39 $1,050 3 254 17 44 Burroughs 543:20 $1,381 1 543 5 107 I love numbers and this certainly is fun. But I guess this is where statistics can become very misleading. Looking at this data you would just assume that everyone making larger dollar amounts is overvalued. You would think the key would be the Lammikko, Schenn, Chiasson, Podkolzin's etc..Boeser, Petterson and Horvat are pretty much the three must overvalued forwards not counting Dries. I think where this data would be more useful would be in comparing players across certain salary bands like a 8-10M tier, 8-6M tier, 6-4M etc... Great job though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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