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So I'm not gonna make  a Brock proposal let's just say he's gone Ideal world we got a decent pick or prospect in return though I would also be pleased with a deal involving one of. Ryan Graves, Artym Zub, Andrew Peeke, Jokiharju. Moving on. 

 

There isn't room for both Garland and Hoglander in the top 6. It's a shame their 2 of my favorite players. 

 

I'll start with Hog. Placing value..... He's 7th in points for his draft class so I would think we would all agree he would be considered a 2019 top 10 pick. I would expect the type of return a top 10 pick would return. 

 

To Arizona 

Hoglander + Poolman + our 1st

 

To Van 

Chyhcrun 

 

I think our biggest weakness on D is that we don't have a shot. OEL is our only D who has directed a respectable number of pucks at the net. With Hughes on the PP Chychrun I think breaks 20G no sweat. Sure we spend our 1st but we spend it on what we actually need if we truly are going to try to boot this window open. 

 

If this isn't adequate to get the Chychrun Poolman dump deal done IMO it should be... 

 

Alternatively I would look at Garland. I think if Garland is here next season I will buy his jersey. Boy do I love watching CFG pour his heart out on the ice. 5V5 Garland sits 32nd in the entire league in points I consider him a bonifide 26 yo 1st line winger on a sweet heart deal locked up through his prime. If Johnny G can do it Garley can too. One thing that stands out to me is the number of PP's Garland draws. Looking at what teams culture (locker room) would actually appreciate Garlands tenacity and have pieces to make the deal. My primary target would be LA and their embarrassment of RHD. 

 

To LA Garland + our 1st 16 OA

To Van (2021 8th OA) Brandt Clarke + Lemieux rights. (Can we have Helenuis too?)

 

We turn the clock back and get the player we needed to draft in 2021 who was never going to be there at our draft spot. 

 

Ok so the LA thing is pretty ideal world tra la la skipping through daisies. 

 

Real world 

 

To NJ Garland and our 1st 16 OA

To Van NJ 1st 5OA (Jiricek) + Zacha Rights. 

 

I think thats pretty fair in the sense that I'd be right on the fence to do it or not.

 

Alright have at er.. 

 

Ah Shoot I put this in the wrong section my apologies. Mods please move to proposals and armchair GMing. 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

if I am trading that pick to Arizona, it is for their late first and 3 of their earliest 2nds.  Then I am drafting all of the fallers or RHD that remain

 

Lamoureux please

buck shot...  I'm in I doubt they do it they've worked hard for those pix. I'll play... Gimme 4 of  Beck Nyman Gaucher Chesley Bichsel Pickering Lamoureux Nelson. 

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Media has already reported several times that Vancouver doesn't have the assets to pull off a deal for Chychrun - Canucks enquired but the price was prohibitive.  Arizona is looking for the equivalent of 3x 1st round picks in futures.  LeBrun says they are going to wait to get exactly what they want like they did for Kuemper.  There are apparently so many teams interested in him.

 

Sportsnet using the same tracking technology as the majority of NHL teams use, graded Poolman's contract as one of the worse in the league - has he really upped his value past being a cap dump.  They highlighted how he was in the bottom tier in D-zone turnover rates.


Satiar Shah says no team was willing to offer up a 1st for Garland - moving from 16th to 8th is probably worth more than a 2nd round pick.  Same for the NJD deal (even more so).

 

LA got Arvidsson for a 2nd round pick + a 3rd round pick.  Arvidsson is a 30 goal scorer on a 4M deal - ie better value than Garland.

 

NJD were looking for a goal scorer and he's not exactly the best of finishers so would be surprised if he's a target now that the season is over and there could be better players available. 

 

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If I am trading with Arizona I want Lawson Crouse.  Arizona won't be signing him to a long term deal so they will most likely trade him at the draft.

 

I would start with Hoglander and go from there.  We could always flip an asset we get from a Boeser deal to send to Arizona as well.

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1 hour ago, mll said:

Media has already reported several times that Vancouver doesn't have the assets to pull off a deal for Chychrun - Canucks enquired but the price was prohibitive.  

At that time was our 1st the thing that was prohibitive?

 

They aren't getting their asking price. Chych posted 7G 14A -20 this year.

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Arizona laughs at that deal, Poolman is neutral value at best 

 

Maybe Poolman looks better next season, but right now he's eh

 

Hoglander had a sophomore slump and likely isn't worth a ton in a trade right now

 

We pick 15th, not exactly a high pick 

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6 minutes ago, hammertime said:

At that time was our 1st the thing that was prohibitive?

 

They aren't getting their asking price. Chych posted 7G 14A -20 this year.

They apparently want Podkolzin as part of the return.  A 1st is a given.    

 

LeBrun thinks they'll just wait till they get the offer they want.  Their roster is not what it was a season ago and Chychrun didn't have the same level of D-partner.  Teams acquiring him are looking to play him in the top-4 and likely with someone more reliable than he's had to play with this season.

 

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1 minute ago, mll said:

They apparently want Podkolzin as part of the return.  A 1st is a given.    

 

LeBrun thinks they'll just wait till they get the offer they want.  Their roster is not what it was a season ago and Chychrun didn't have the same level of D-partner.  Teams acquiring him are looking to play him in the top-4 and likely with someone more reliable than he's had to play with this season.

 

Sure they can sit on him I guess. The reality I think is they will just bury his value further. 

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2 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Sure they can sit on him I guess. The reality I think is they will just bury his value further. 

Teams are going to re-assess their rosters this off-season so maybe he gets traded then.  Arizona doesn't have a cap crunch and he has 3 more seasons so there's no real rush - a bit similar to Buffalo with Eichel.

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

if I am trading that pick to Arizona, it is for their late first and 3 of their earliest 2nds.  Then I am drafting all of the fallers or RHD that remain

 

Lamoureux please

He is the dude that am have my eye on.  Maybe early at 14 to take him… but if we add a pick around 20 we could get two blue chip RHD prospects including him or package up two 1sts for a top 10 pick that could get us Nemec or Jiricek.

 

I think it is understated how much our defence is limiting our forwards.  Some better transition D beyond Hughes and that is worth 5-10 points extra for each forward over the season.  If we can’t extend Miller for reasonable dollars or can find a taker for Boeser we probably don’t really lose as much offence as you would think if we drastically improve the D.

 

 

 

 

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For argument's sake, we have to give up the equivalent of 3 1sts for Chychrun.

 

That would be a 1st + prospect (Rathbone) + good player (is Hoglander good enough? Probably want Garland). In no world is that worth it but that's what Arizona want.

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55 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

For argument's sake, we have to give up the equivalent of 3 1sts for Chychrun.

 

That would be a 1st + prospect (Rathbone) + good player (is Hoglander good enough? Probably want Garland). In no world is that worth it but that's what Arizona want.

Sat Shah says no team is willing to offer a 1st for Garland.  He was also deemed too old for their rebuild so feels unlikely that they would see value in getting him back.   

 

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6 hours ago, hammertime said:

So I'm not gonna make  a Brock proposal let's just say he's gone Ideal world we got a decent pick or prospect in return though I would also be pleased with a deal involving one of. Ryan Graves, Artym Zub, Andrew Peeke, Jokiharju. Moving on. 

 

There isn't room for both Garland and Hoglander in the top 6. It's a shame their 2 of my favorite players. 

 

I'll start with Hog. Placing value..... He's 7th in points for his draft class so I would think we would all agree he would be considered a 2019 top 10 pick. I would expect the type of return a top 10 pick would return. 

 

To Arizona 

Hoglander + Poolman + our 1st

 

To Van 

Chyhcrun 

 

I think our biggest weakness on D is that we don't have a shot. OEL is our only D who has directed a respectable number of pucks at the net. With Hughes on the PP Chychrun I think breaks 20G no sweat. Sure we spend our 1st but we spend it on what we actually need if we truly are going to try to boot this window open. 

 

If this isn't adequate to get the Chychrun Poolman dump deal done IMO it should be... 

 

Alternatively I would look at Garland. I think if Garland is here next season I will buy his jersey. Boy do I love watching CFG pour his heart out on the ice. 5V5 Garland sits 32nd in the entire league in points I consider him a bonifide 26 yo 1st line winger on a sweet heart deal locked up through his prime. If Johnny G can do it Garley can too. One thing that stands out to me is the number of PP's Garland draws. Looking at what teams culture (locker room) would actually appreciate Garlands tenacity and have pieces to make the deal. My primary target would be LA and their embarrassment of RHD. 

 

To LA Garland + our 1st 16 OA

To Van (2021 8th OA) Brandt Clarke + Lemieux rights. (Can we have Helenuis too?)

 

We turn the clock back and get the player we needed to draft in 2021 who was never going to be there at our draft spot. 

 

Ok so the LA thing is pretty ideal world tra la la skipping through daisies. 

 

Real world 

 

To NJ Garland and our 1st 16 OA

To Van NJ 1st 5OA (Jiricek) + Zacha Rights. 

 

I think thats pretty fair in the sense that I'd be right on the fence to do it or not.

 

Alright have at er.. 

 

Ah Shoot I put this in the wrong section my apologies. Mods please move to proposals and armchair GMing. 

 

 

 

 

Brock Rathbone and our 1st maybe is what that takes. If they are high on Rathbone and boesers cap hit is reasonable.

 

but even then hard to see us making a trade that actually works and have back to back summers with big trades with the same team. 

 

Can see the kings getting him tho they have the pieces to make the trade happen

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11 hours ago, hammertime said:

So I'm not gonna make  a Brock proposal let's just say he's gone Ideal world we got a decent pick or prospect in return though I would also be pleased with a deal involving one of. Ryan Graves, Artym Zub, Andrew Peeke, Jokiharju. Moving on. 

 

There isn't room for both Garland and Hoglander in the top 6. It's a shame their 2 of my favorite players. 

 

I'll start with Hog. Placing value..... He's 7th in points for his draft class so I would think we would all agree he would be considered a 2019 top 10 pick. I would expect the type of return a top 10 pick would return. 

 

To Arizona 

Hoglander + Poolman + our 1st

 

To Van 

Chyhcrun 

 

I think our biggest weakness on D is that we don't have a shot. OEL is our only D who has directed a respectable number of pucks at the net. With Hughes on the PP Chychrun I think breaks 20G no sweat. Sure we spend our 1st but we spend it on what we actually need if we truly are going to try to boot this window open. 

 

If this isn't adequate to get the Chychrun Poolman dump deal done IMO it should be... 

 

Alternatively I would look at Garland. I think if Garland is here next season I will buy his jersey. Boy do I love watching CFG pour his heart out on the ice. 5V5 Garland sits 32nd in the entire league in points I consider him a bonifide 26 yo 1st line winger on a sweet heart deal locked up through his prime. If Johnny G can do it Garley can too. One thing that stands out to me is the number of PP's Garland draws. Looking at what teams culture (locker room) would actually appreciate Garlands tenacity and have pieces to make the deal. My primary target would be LA and their embarrassment of RHD. 

 

To LA Garland + our 1st 16 OA

To Van (2021 8th OA) Brandt Clarke + Lemieux rights. (Can we have Helenuis too?)

 

We turn the clock back and get the player we needed to draft in 2021 who was never going to be there at our draft spot. 

 

Ok so the LA thing is pretty ideal world tra la la skipping through daisies. 

 

Real world 

 

To NJ Garland and our 1st 16 OA

To Van NJ 1st 5OA (Jiricek) + Zacha Rights. 

 

I think thats pretty fair in the sense that I'd be right on the fence to do it or not.

 

Alright have at er.. 

 

Ah Shoot I put this in the wrong section my apologies. Mods please move to proposals and armchair GMing. 

 

 

 

 

 

No way Arizona does that for Chychrun. Particularly with that contract of his, some cap-crunched contender is going to move heaven and earth to acquire him.

 

And no, we can't all agree Hoglander is a top 10 pick from 2019. Quickest to get there does not equate with best.

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10 hours ago, Provost said:

He is the dude that am have my eye on.  Maybe early at 14 to take him… but if we add a pick around 20 we could get two blue chip RHD prospects including him or package up two 1sts for a top 10 pick that could get us Nemec or Jiricek.

 

I think it is understated how much our defence is limiting our forwards.  Some better transition D beyond Hughes and that is worth 5-10 points extra for each forward over the season.  If we can’t extend Miller for reasonable dollars or can find a taker for Boeser we probably don’t really lose as much offence as you would think if we drastically improve the D.

 

 

 

 

I have a proposal in the draft Day thread about ensuring we get three quality RHD prospects outside of the 1st round.

 

It's literally my only goal this draft is to see us take 3+ rhd

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17 hours ago, hammertime said:

So I'm not gonna make  a Brock proposal let's just say he's gone Ideal world we got a decent pick or prospect in return though I would also be pleased with a deal involving one of. Ryan Graves, Artym Zub, Andrew Peeke, Jokiharju. Moving on. 

 

There isn't room for both Garland and Hoglander in the top 6. It's a shame their 2 of my favorite players. 

 

I'll start with Hog. Placing value..... He's 7th in points for his draft class so I would think we would all agree he would be considered a 2019 top 10 pick. I would expect the type of return a top 10 pick would return. 

 

To Arizona 

Hoglander + Poolman + our 1st

 

To Van 

Chyhcrun 

 

I think our biggest weakness on D is that we don't have a shot. OEL is our only D who has directed a respectable number of pucks at the net. With Hughes on the PP Chychrun I think breaks 20G no sweat. Sure we spend our 1st but we spend it on what we actually need if we truly are going to try to boot this window open. 

 

If this isn't adequate to get the Chychrun Poolman dump deal done IMO it should be... 

 

Alternatively I would look at Garland. I think if Garland is here next season I will buy his jersey. Boy do I love watching CFG pour his heart out on the ice. 5V5 Garland sits 32nd in the entire league in points I consider him a bonifide 26 yo 1st line winger on a sweet heart deal locked up through his prime. If Johnny G can do it Garley can too. One thing that stands out to me is the number of PP's Garland draws. Looking at what teams culture (locker room) would actually appreciate Garlands tenacity and have pieces to make the deal. My primary target would be LA and their embarrassment of RHD. 

 

To LA Garland + our 1st 16 OA

To Van (2021 8th OA) Brandt Clarke + Lemieux rights. (Can we have Helenuis too?)

 

We turn the clock back and get the player we needed to draft in 2021 who was never going to be there at our draft spot. 

 

Ok so the LA thing is pretty ideal world tra la la skipping through daisies. 

 

Real world 

 

To NJ Garland and our 1st 16 OA

To Van NJ 1st 5OA (Jiricek) + Zacha Rights. 

 

I think thats pretty fair in the sense that I'd be right on the fence to do it or not.

 

Alright have at er.. 

 

Ah Shoot I put this in the wrong section my apologies. Mods please move to proposals and armchair GMing. 

 

 

 

 

Why not send Rathbone the other way? At least they pick up a D in return

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