Elias Pettersson Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 This is dumb, but I would certainly entertain doing what the NBA has done and have a play-in round so more teams have a shot at making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: This is dumb, but I would certainly entertain doing what the NBA has done and have a play-in round so more teams have a shot at making the playoffs. NBA only has 30 teams, so they couldn’t have an all-in if they wanted. When Seattle was brought in last year, it has given this opportunity with the 32 teams. At some point, it’ll have to be opened up. You can’t have just half the teams make it in. Maybe when there are 35 or 36 teams, people will be on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Loui Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Man the expectations have really gotten low around here. We've sucked so bad we want the NHL to just pleaassse let us in to the playoffs. Thanks Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 Interestingly, six of seven teams competed in the playoffs for the Stanley Cup in the 1930s. Those Stanley Cup playoffs saw the first- and second-place teams play against each other in a best-of-seven series for one berth in the Stanley Cup Finals, while the third- to sixth-place teams battled in a series of best-of-three matches for the other berth (with the third-place team taking on the fourth-place team, and the fifth-place team against the sixth-place team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: In 1993-1994 our record was 41-40-3. We had 3 ties. Up until 1999 there was no overtime. So without overtime our record this year would be better than in 1994. In 1994 we qualified for the playoffs with 85 points. Now because of the loser point you need 94 points + to make it. Whoever coined the phrase "Loser Points" got it wrong. It should be "Bonus Points" for OT and SO wins. Canucks of 2021-22 season had 32 regulation wins, 5 OT wins and 3 SO wins, giving them 40 wins by modern day Won/Loss Metrics. They had 30 regulation losses, 7 OT losses and 5 SO losses. So, 20 of their games ended up in regulation ties. Which would equate to 84 points in days of yore. For all intents and purposes, Canucks ended up with 8 bonus points for winning in OT and SO. Looking around the league, the beneficiaries of the "Bonus Points" are Florida, Minnesota and Dallas. It can be argued that simply based on the number of regulation wins they have, they may not be as good as their record indicates (though that's a tough argument to make as Minny and Dallas are leading in their respective opening round series, and other than Dallas, Florida and Minny has strong goal differentials). It would be interesting to see the NHL award 3 points for regulation wins, 2 points for OT/SO wins, and 1 point (i.e., the "Loser Point") for and OT/SO loss and see how the standings shape out. Edited May 8, 2022 by bigbadcanucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Slegr said: NBA only has 30 teams, so they couldn’t have an all-in if they wanted. When Seattle was brought in last year, it has given this opportunity with the 32 teams. At some point, it’ll have to be opened up. You can’t have just half the teams make it in. Maybe when there are 35 or 36 teams, people will be on board. Why not? Your proposal of having all teams make the playoffs makes the regular season meaningless. IMO, it's a good thing that games in October mean as much as they do in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, bigbadcanucks said: Why not? Your proposal of having all teams make the playoffs makes the regular season meaningless. IMO, it's a good thing that games in October mean as much as they do in April. I really can’t see the regular season being a meaningless exercise if all teams are jockeying for positions, plus if there were five rounds, we’d need shorter regular seasons, which would be a blessing. Besides, we haven’t had a Canadian team win the Cup since 1993. Nearly 30 years! That’s almost statistically impossible. But not with less taxes in the US seducing better players to those teams, and arguably preferential treatment to US teams throughout the year. But if it was all-in post-season, we’d have a proportionality higher amount of Canadian teams in, and more chances for hard-done-by teams to make a real run at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 So far, not one single poster agrees with the O.P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: I personally love that it's difficult to get into the playoffs now. It seems like a bit of a joke that the 80s Canucks made the playoffs for six straight years and it was obviously because of the very low standard to make the playoffs. I prefer that you actually have to be a good team to make it into the playoffs. Yes! I hate NBA teams that make the playoffs below .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: In 1993-1994 our record was 41-40-3. We had 3 ties. Up until 1999 there was no overtime. So without overtime our record this year would be better than in 1994. In 1994 we qualified for the playoffs with 85 points. Now because of the loser point you need 94 points + to make it. Regular season overtime began in the early 80s, but they didn't actually reward any points for that loss until the 1999-00 season you mentioned. That said, there are definitely both more points and wins in today's NHL. More wins begin existing in the early 80s, just by virtue of allowing teams an extra five minutes to resolve ties in sudden death. Even more wins enter the NHL in 2005-06 when shootouts eliminate all ties, forcing a winner of every game. It's likely that this particularly helped strong teams who were able to now force wins in OT or shootout when they may have previously settled for a tie. As a result, records like Tampa's in 2019-20 are less impressive than Detroit in 1995-96 or Montreal in 1976-77. Points started increasing in 1999-00, with the advent of the three-point game, and this is very obvious to anyone who looks at how many points it took to be a contender in the older days. In 1991-92, with an 80-game season, the Canucks had 96 points and finished 4th in the NHL. Just this year, our Canucks had 92 points in 82 games and finished 18th. In 80 games, our season would've pro-rated to 90 points, but it still stands to show the drastic difference in total points accumulated on average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, gurn said: So far, not one single poster agrees with the O.P Yet, only half of you would make the post-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whaleroad Train Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 If it isn't broke - don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Lets give them all participation ribbons and stop keeping score. Then everybody gets to compete.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Slegr said: Yet, only half of you would make the post-season. Cups, trophies and awards are supposed to be hard to win. watching 80 games, just to see seeding decided is simply not on. Viewership drops, revenue drops , the league withers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, gurn said: Cups, trophies and awards are supposed to be hard to win. watching 80 games, just to see seeding decided is simply not on. Viewership drops, revenue drops , the league withers. Get with the times, dinosaur. NHL is continuing its efforts to ensure the game is inclusive with commitment to diversity… 32 teams in playoffs is very inclusive and diverse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Slegr said: Get with the times, dinosaur. Do we know each other well enough for you to start calling me names? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Why bother with the post-season then? Just have the highest points at end of season win the Cup..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Mad Bro? Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Why bother with the post-season then? Just have the highest points at end of season win the Cup..... I don’t understand the logic there. You could say the same thing right now. But here are some facts: in the 1930s, a team had an 86% chance of making the playoffs before the season started. In 1989, a team had a 76% chance. Now, it’s a 50% chance. Where does the madness end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said: What’s so special about making the playoffs? Leafs have been doing it for years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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