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Bruce Boudreau or Barry Trotz  

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  1. 1. Given the choice, who would you pick to coach the Canucks moving forward?

    • Bruce, there it (still) is!!
    • Trotz the 3rd most winningest coach in NHL history.

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30 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Willie was a newbie NHL coach, who has since had a temporary head coaching job in LA and (in the past

3 yrs), has been a head coach in the WHA.

 

Boudreau has boatloads of AHL and NHL coaching experience with a decent winning % throughout his

career.

 

I don't see the similarities.

I agree with you there

but the similarities are the fact the team was in a real funk playing under Torts and Green

Remember Torts yelling at Edler and Hansen on the bench, and Edler putting up a -39 season

Edler was not that bad a player, he was performing poorly under Torts.

Under Green, the team had epic (and I don't use that term loosely) PK failure, and PP failure and Brock and Petey underperforming (admittedly, Brock's might be a different issue)

Fans booing, chanting, hiring aircraft signage and ultimately the jersey on the ice. 

The exact details may be different, but the overall stress surrounding the team was similar

 

And the next coach breathed new life into the team.

 

I am not suggesting that coach Bruce is the equivalent of Willie, because as you pointed out Bruce has a better resume

 

I am saying the situation they stepped into was similar

and the first season result was similar

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On 5/9/2022 at 2:05 PM, lmm said:

Man I hate it when I lose a half finished response that was the most eloquent  prose ever typed

so I'll try again

Big stress under Torts

Big stress under Green

New coach relieved the Big Stress and had success

 

now I am not comparing Coach B with Coach W, but I am comparing the situation that they walked into.

 

and so, my question is:

will Bruce be able, or better yet, is it fair to expect Bruce to coach this team at the same level,  ( higher than he did the Ducks) next year and beyond

Or, have we just experienced the Bruce Bubble?

 

 

All conjecture and guesswork. We'll find out if Bruce returns for a full season...which I hope he does

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On 5/10/2022 at 2:30 AM, RU SERIOUS said:

Stat/Charts from Wiki.  

 

Barry Trotz Record: 

Team Year Regular season Postseason
G W L T OTL Pts Finish W L Win% Result
NSH 1998–99 82 28 47 7 63 5th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 1999–00 82 28 40 7 7 70 5th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2000–01 82 34 36 9 3 80 3rd in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2001–02 82 28 41 13 0 69 4th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2002–03 82 27 35 13 7 74 4th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2003–04 82 38 29 11 4 91 3rd in Central 2 4 .333 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (DET)
NSH 2005–06 82 49 25 8 106 2nd in Central 1 4 .200 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (SJS)
NSH 2006–07 82 51 23 8 110 2nd in Central 1 4 .200 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (SJS)
NSH 2007–08 82 41 32 9 91 2nd in Central 2 4 .333 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (DET)
NSH 2008–09 82 40 34 8 88 5th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2009–10 82 47 29 6 100 3rd in Central 2 4 .333 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (CHI)
NSH 2010–11 82 44 27 11 99 2nd in Central 6 6 .500 Lost in Conference Semifinals (VAN)
NSH 2011–12 82 48 26 8 104 2nd in Central 5 5 .500 Lost in Conference Semifinals (PHX)
NSH 2012–13 48 16 23 9 41 5th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH 2013–14 82 38 32 12 88 6th in Central Missed playoffs
NSH total 1,196 557 479 60 100     19 31 .380 7 playoff appearances
WSH 2014–15 82 45 26 11 101 2nd in Metropolitan 7 7 .500 Lost in Second Round (NYR)
WSH 2015–16 82 56 18 8 120 1st in Metropolitan 6 6 .500 Lost in Second Round (PIT)
WSH 2016–17 82 55 19 8 118 1st in Metropolitan 7 6 .538 Lost in Second Round (PIT)
WSH 2017–18 82 49 26 7 105 1st in Metropolitan 16 8 .667 Won Stanley Cup (VGK)
WSH total 328 205 89 34     36 27 .571 4 playoff appearances
1 Stanley Cup
NYI 2018–19 82 48 27 7 103 2nd in Metropolitan 4 4 .500 Lost in Second Round (CAR)
NYI 2019–20 68 35 23 10 80 5th in Metropolitan 13 9 .591 Lost in Conference Finals (TBL)
NYI 2020–21 56 32 17 7 71 4th in East 11 8 .579 Lost in Stanley Cup Semifinals (TBL)
NYI 2021–22 82 37 35 10 84 5th in Metropolitan Missed playoffs
NYI total 288 152 102 34     28 21 .571 3 playoff appearances
Total 1,812 914 670 60 168     83 79 .512 14 playoff appearances
1 Stanley Cup

 


 

Bruce Boudreau::

m Year Regular season Postseason
G W L OTL Pts Division Rank W L Result
WSH 2007–08 61 37 17 7 (81) 1st in Southeast 3 4 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (PHI)
WSH 2008–09 82 50 24 8 108 1st in Southeast 7 7 Lost in Conference Semifinals (PIT)
WSH 2009–10 82 54 15 13 121 1st in Southeast 3 4 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (MTL)
WSH 2010–11 82 48 23 11 107 1st in Southeast 4 5 Lost in Conference Semifinals (TBL)
WSH 2011–12 22 12 9 1 (25) (fired)
WSH total 329 201 88 40     17 20  
ANA 2011–12 58 27 23 8 (62) 5th in Pacific Missed playoffs
ANA 2012–13 48 30 12 6 66 1st in Pacific 3 4 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals (DET)
ANA 2013–14 82 54 20 8 116 1st in Pacific 7 6 Lost in Second Round (LAK)
ANA 2014–15 82 51 24 7 109 1st in Pacific 11 5 Lost in Conference Finals (CHI)
ANA 2015–16 82 46 25 11 103 1st in Pacific 3 4 Lost in First Round (NSH)
ANA total 352 208 104 40     24 19  
MIN 2016–17 82 49 25 8 106 2nd in Central 1 4 Lost in First Round (STL)
MIN 2017–18 82 45 26 11 101 3rd in Central 1 4 Lost in First Round (WPG)
MIN 2018–19 82 37 36 9 83 7th in Central Missed playoffs
MIN 2019–20 57 27 23 7 (61) (fired)
MIN total 303 158 110 35     2 8  
VAN 2021–22 57 32 15 10 (74) 5th in Pacific
VAN total 57 32 15 10      
Total 1,041 599 317 125     43 47

So Bruce has a better winning % 59 to 50..if I did that right.....math is hard !

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I hope we keep Bruce for at least another year or two because I do want to see he can do during a full season, but if not for some reason, I’m also a bit tired of the old recycled coaches in this league. I’d love to get some new blood and someone young that has a bright future ahead. Perhaps a younger coach from the AHL or even the junior leagues. It might be risky but trying to poach a young guy like Ryan Warfsofsky could be very rewarding potentially. He doesn’t have a lot of AHL head coaching experience but what he’s done so far is fantastic. 

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22 hours ago, lmm said:

what is your point?

LOL that's hard to do in this league as a coach. 

 

The biggest juxtaposition is this past year. The record under TG vs record under Bruce. 

 

That along with his career coaching history shows that he is a good coach. 

 

I feel like he's had the team running near full potential since he got here. 

 

The areas of improvement for next year is hopefully  being ready to start the games by coming out and scoring the first goal. 

The inconsistent effort has greatly Improved  under BB and hopefully will only get better. 

Also a full camp under BB where he and Shaw really communicate how they want the guys to play will be critical. 

 

I'm hoping for tighter defence without demko having to stand on his head most nights. 

 

I truly think we can get there under BB. 

 

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My only concern is age.  And all the health complications that come with that. If we want a stable voice behind the bench for 5+ years.

 

If it wasn't for that, I'd say Bruce all the way.  I don't take much from the past playoff success vs. regular season. Bruce brought the Ducks to two Western Conference finals. 

 

He had a lot of bad luck in his playoff appearances as well. He never had a truly elite goaltender, and they all underperformed.  Sometimes its other factors other than coaching. This is a good article on his success or lack thereof,

 

https://puckprose.com/2020/02/15/bruce-boudreau-legacy-complicated-fascinating/

 

It doesn't hold much water to me the argument that a coach can be a great regular season coach, and bad once the post season starts. There is a lot of other factors, health and goaltending just a couple. As well as a bit of luck.  Also, one has to allow that Bruce has learned each time he has failed in the playoffs on how to approach it the next time.

 

If Bruce was 10 years younger, it would be slam dunk for him as the best option. His record backs that up.  The legend of Trotz is greatly exaggerated, Cup or no Cup.

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9 minutes ago, kilgore said:

My only concern is age.  And all the health complications that come with that. If we want a stable voice behind the bench for 5+ years.

 

If it wasn't for that, I'd say Bruce all the way.  I don't take much from the past playoff success vs. regular season. Bruce brought the Ducks to two Western Conference finals. 

 

He had a lot of bad luck in his playoff appearances as well. He never had a truly elite goaltender, and they all underperformed.  Sometimes its other factors other than coaching. This is a good article on his success or lack thereof,

 

https://puckprose.com/2020/02/15/bruce-boudreau-legacy-complicated-fascinating/

 

It doesn't hold much water to me the argument that a coach can be a great regular season coach, and bad once the post season starts. There is a lot of other factors, health and goaltending just a couple. As well as a bit of luck.  Also, one has to allow that Bruce has learned each time he has failed in the playoffs on how to approach it the next time.

 

If Bruce was 10 years younger, it would be slam dunk for him as the best option. His record backs that up.  The legend of Trotz is greatly exaggerated, Cup or no Cup.

Holy I didn't realize he was 67. I think he has at least 3 years left in him. 

Its not like he's the the one playing the games. I guess the question is, can he move around the ice during practice? 

Retire at 70?

He still looks and acts much younger lol

 

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On 5/11/2022 at 5:22 PM, kilgore said:

My only concern is age.  And all the health complications that come with that. If we want a stable voice behind the bench for 5+ years.

 

If it wasn't for that, I'd say Bruce all the way.  I don't take much from the past playoff success vs. regular season. Bruce brought the Ducks to two Western Conference finals. 

 

He had a lot of bad luck in his playoff appearances as well. He never had a truly elite goaltender, and they all underperformed.  Sometimes its other factors other than coaching. This is a good article on his success or lack thereof,

 

https://puckprose.com/2020/02/15/bruce-boudreau-legacy-complicated-fascinating/

 

It doesn't hold much water to me the argument that a coach can be a great regular season coach, and bad once the post season starts. There is a lot of other factors, health and goaltending just a couple. As well as a bit of luck.  Also, one has to allow that Bruce has learned each time he has failed in the playoffs on how to approach it the next time.

 

If Bruce was 10 years younger, it would be slam dunk for him as the best option. His record backs that up.  The legend of Trotz is greatly exaggerated, Cup or no Cup.

I was with your until the last paragraph.   Seriously - NYI didn't have a roster that was close to two conference finals in a row - let alone a one goal game 7 vs TB sort of deal.   But he did it.   And NSH was a defenseman factory because of Trotz as much or more then drafting for a decade plus.     What impressed me the most wasn't his cup in WSH, but what he did the first year with NYI just after Tavares bolted.    How would you like to have Miller leave - and have a boost of a plus 53 differential!   I'd sure like that.   And Tavares well Miller isn't Tavares. 

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On 5/11/2022 at 5:34 PM, CanucksJay said:

Holy I didn't realize he was 67. I think he has at least 3 years left in him. 

Its not like he's the the one playing the games. I guess the question is, can he move around the ice during practice? 

Retire at 70?

He still looks and acts much younger lol

 

It's all about presence.   That's it.   Quin had to eventually get off the ice because of his hips.  Bruce knows leg days you can't cheat leg days. 

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4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

It's all about presence.   That's it.   Quin had to eventually get off the ice because of his hips.  Bruce knows leg days you can't cheat leg days. 

He can also delegate to Shaw and Walker, both of whom are potential head coaches down the road.  Walker would be awesome as he's cited Quinn as a mentor and I'd love to continue the legacy.

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