[proposal] full dumperoo

[JM_]

So this is inspired by our friend @Alflives but it might be a sentiment shared by a lot of the fanbase? 

 

If we assume this roster has too many problems to be fixed within 2 years, should it just be blown up? full teardown/tank. 

 

Are OEL's contract, risk of Millers decline, lack of prospect depth just too much to expect Rutherford to fix?

 

Trading away Demko, Hughes, Petey, Bo, Miller, Myers likely nets the team all the 1sts and prospects needed for a full rebuild. 

 

Would you accept that decision by Rutherford? 

 

 

EDIT: also this is meant to have fun with, not get angry over. 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by JM_

[HKSR]

Hughes and Petey are young enough to be included in any 'new core' being drafted. 

 

A blow up would probably be Demko, Miller, Horvat, Boeser, Garland, etc. etc.

 

If it's done, it should be done next year to get a good shot at Bedard or Michkov lol

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Hughes and Petey are young enough to be included in any 'new core' being drafted. 

 

A blow up would probably be Demko, Miller, Horvat, Boeser, Garland, etc. etc.

 

If it's done, it should be done next year to get a good shot at Bedard or Michkov lol

but should it be done?

[HKSR]

2 minutes ago, JM_ said:

but should it be done?

Lol, I am totally the wrong guy for you to be asking that question

[Gurn]

32 minutes ago, JM_ said:

Trading away Demko, Hughes, Petey, Bo, Miller, Myers likely nets the team all the 1sts and prospects needed for a full rebuild

The picks would need to be top 10, and lots of them.

Prospects would need to be former first rounders as well, imo.

 

Losing Demko would truly devastate the Canuck season- so likely to get our own, very high pick without him.

Edited May 11, 2022 by gurn

[JM_]

Just now, HKSR said:

Lol, I am totally the wrong guy for you to be asking that question

take a stab, what would full dumperoo net us?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, gurn said:

The picks would need to be top 10, and lots of them.

Prospects would need to be former first rounders as well, imo.

Not sure about other teams picks, those would likely be back 1/2 of the 1st round. Former 1st rounders for sure back though. 

 

1 minute ago, gurn said:

 

Losing Demko would truly devastate the Canuck season- so likely to get our own, very high pick without him.

yup this is the full meltdown option. Lotto picks for 3-4 years. 

[HKSR]

I'll play, just cuz it's fun...

 

Demko to NJD for 2nd OA

 

Horvat to Philly for 5th OA

 

Miller to Boston for Debrusk+Lysell+2023 1st Round

 

etc

 

Slafkovsky with 2nd OA

Jiricek or Nemec with 5th OA

 

Future core:

 

Lysell-Petey-Slafkovsky

Hughes-Jiricek/Nemec

 

[kanucks25]

Don't think it would be necessary, assuming a competent management team.

 

To turn this team around in 1-2 years, it'll take miracle work. As in, we would have to hit it big on every trade and signing.

 

But between Petey, Hughes, Demko, Hog, Pod and whoever we draft this summer, we have enough of a base to be good in ~4 seasons.

 

The time for scorched earth was when Benning took over. Our core is young enough this time that we shouldn't have to do that. Don't want to turn into a perpetual loser franchise (even more than we are).

Edited May 11, 2022 by kanucks25

[mll]

7 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

Don't think it would be necessary, assuming a competent management team.

 

To turn this team around in 1-2 years, it'll take miracle work. As in, we would have to hit it big on every trade and signing.

 

But between Petey, Hughes, Demko, Hog, Pod and whoever we draft this summer, we have enough of a base to be good in ~4 seasons.

 

The time for scorched earth was when Benning took over. Our core is young enough this time that we shouldn't have to do that. Don't want to turn into a perpetual loser franchise (even more than we are).

~4 seasons would be just when Demko hits UFA.  Hughes would be 1 year later and Pettersson can hit UFA in 3 seasons.  If they are a bubble team over those coming seasons would they want to stick around?  

 

[higgyfan]

14 minutes ago, JM_ said:

take a stab, what would full dumperoo net us?

Pete wouldn't re-sign (he wants to win at hockey).

 

Fun at the drafts, crappy hockey, another 5 years of rebuilding and finally getting past the 1st round of SC playoffs.

 

Woohoo!!!

 

I'm out

[JM_]

9 minutes ago, mll said:

~4 seasons would be just when Demko hits UFA.  Hughes would be 1 year later and Pettersson can hit UFA in 3 seasons.  If they are a bubble team over those coming seasons would they want to stick around?  

 

this is my concern with the 2-4 year retool idea 

[NUCKER67]

I think it's more than just "what can we get back?".  Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser and Hughes are still young and want playoffs. They got a taste of the post season in the bubble and they want to get back in. Ripping the team apart to acquire picks and prospects would send a message that they aren't going for it and it will take a lot more time. I could then see those young players saying "F-it, I want to be traded to a playoff team". 

 

I do believe the Canucks need to trade a couple of larger pieces:  Garland, Pearson, Myers possibly. Improving the D would really help this team. The offence will come from Petey, Podz, Miller, Horvat and Boeser.

 

Ekman-Larsson - ??

Hughes - Schenn

Dermott - ??

Rathbone

Burroughs

 

Need some RDs

[mll]

1 minute ago, JM_ said:

this is my concern with the 2-4 year retool idea 

Kind of wonder if trading Miller for whatever magic beans is not going to lead them right into that situation.  It's the right move if they can't extend him to a reasonable deal but if that happens, they probably need to seriously assess who is left and their mindset.  

 

 

[HKSR]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Kind of wonder if trading Miller for whatever magic beans is not going to lead them right into that situation.  It's the right move if they can't extend him to a reasonable deal but if that happens, they probably need to seriously assess who is left and their mindset.  

 

 

Exactly.  If Miller is traded,  there better be more than magic beans coming back this way.  Demko is on a Mackinnon level value deal... we should be taking full advantage of that window.

[kanucks25]

43 minutes ago, mll said:

~4 seasons would be just when Demko hits UFA.  Hughes would be 1 year later and Pettersson can hit UFA in 3 seasons.  If they are a bubble team over those coming seasons would they want to stick around?  

 

One would hope that this current management team is able to build the type of foundation and culture that would make our franchise attractive to players, whether they are already on our team or not.

 

"Build it and they will come [or stay]."

 

[Angry Goose]

It might be tough to squeeze, but nothing beats a full dumperoo

[mll]

3 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

One would hope that this current management team is able to build the type of foundation and culture that would make our franchise attractive to players, whether they are already on our team or not.

 

"Build it and they will come [or stay]."

 

It's often either about winning or money and if they aren't winning it's going to be hard to retain and attract players.

 

 

[kanucks25]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

It's often either about winning or money and if they aren't winning it's going to be hard to retain and attract players.

Sure, but it's not like we'll be bottom-feeding during the turnaround time.

 

Over the next 3 years we might even be able to squeak into the playoffs once or twice, and by year 3 you'd hope that the team appears to be on a legitimate upswing, similar to how we were in the bubble before the bungled cap threw off our trajectory.

 

Hard to say either way, all depends on how the big moves management makes work out. In 3 years I wouldn't be surprised if we made the 2nd round of the playoffs, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we were a bottom-10 team. I don't know enough about the competence of this management team to say one way or the other but IMO the potential is there.

Edited May 11, 2022 by kanucks25

[ABNuck]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

So this is inspired by our friend @Alflives but it might be a sentiment shared by a lot of the fanbase? 

 

If we assume this roster has too many problems to be fixed within 2 years, should it just be blown up? full teardown/tank. 

 

Are OEL's contract, risk of Millers decline, lack of prospect depth just too much to expect Rutherford to fix?

 

Trading away Demko, Hughes, Petey, Bo, Miller, Myers likely nets the team all the 1sts and prospects needed for a full rebuild. 

 

Would you accept that decision by Rutherford? 

 

 

EDIT: also this is meant to have fun with, not get angry over. 

 

And change the team name to the Vancouver Senators