Nuxfanabroad Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Probably an exercise in futility, but wondering if anyone dreams up a good one. We never see 1st OA's get dealt, especially from a team hosting a draft! How far would a rival GM/team have to go, to persuade with something irresistible? Unfortunately I see the Avs winning it all this spring. Afterwards, drunk on success, they offer this to Mtl: COL: Newhook, Byram, Girard Mtl: 1st OA & Mike Hoffman(an undesired cap dump to help Mtl) Outrageous to ponder..but imagine winning Stanley, & THEN landing the top pick right afterwards? What team could possibly assemble an offer the Habs couldn't refuse? Edited May 11, 2022 by Nuxfanabroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Montreal hasn’t picked 1st oa in 42 years and now they have a chance to do that in front of their home fans. They aren’t moving that pick Edited May 11, 2022 by qwijibo 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Montreal hasn’t picked 1st oa in 42 years and now they have a chance to do that in front of their home fans. They aren’t moving that pick Do you remember the circumstances on that 1980 pick? I believe it was Wickenheiser over Denis Savard? Also pretty sure Grundman had taken over for Sam Pollock? There was a lot of heat/debate over this one, as Denis was dynamic, French, yet undersized. Apparently the pressure on Doug Wickenheiser was just too heavy, & they moved him to St Loo Used to wonder if the Habs would've built a more aggressive/offensive 1980's squad, had they drafted DS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Do you remember the circumstances on that 1980 pick? I believe it was Wickenheiser over Denis Savard? Also pretty sure Grundman had taken over for Sam Pollock? There was a lot of heat/debate over this one, as Denis was dynamic, French, yet undersized. Apparently the pressure on Doug Wickenheiser was just too heavy, & they moved him to St Loo Used to wonder if the Habs would've built a more aggressive/offensive 1980's squad, had they drafted DS. Wickenheiser was the consensus number one pick. It wasn’t an off the book choice He just didn’t work out. Montréal missed out on both Savard and Coffey. Painful but it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: We never see 1st OA's get dealt, especially from a team hosting a draft! How far would a rival GM/team have to go, to persuade with something irresistible? The Lightning and Burkie say hi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft https://globalnews.ca/news/2775878/how-brian-burkes-dealmaking-brought-the-sedins-to-the-vancouver-canucks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: The Lightning and Burkie say hi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft https://globalnews.ca/news/2775878/how-brian-burkes-dealmaking-brought-the-sedins-to-the-vancouver-canucks/ Hasn’t happened in the salary cap era. Star players on entry level deals are far up valuable now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: Wickenheiser was the consensus number one pick. It wasn’t an off the book choice He just didn’t work out. Montréal missed out on both Savard and Coffey. Painful but it happens. I just went to Wiki to refresh my memory(as mentioned before, was hardcore Habs fan as a kid). Indeed Grundman ran things from 78-1983. Also the architect of that much-discussed, infamous deal with the Caps(Walter, Langway, etc...). Ironically he'd draft the great Chris Chelios, who'd ultimately be sent to Chicago for the (then fading) Denis Savard. Yet seems all these blokes would wind up with their names etched in silver, one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Do you remember the circumstances on that 1980 pick? I believe it was Wickenheiser over Denis Savard? Also pretty sure Grundman had taken over for Sam Pollock? There was a lot of heat/debate over this one, as Denis was dynamic, French, yet undersized. Apparently the pressure on Doug Wickenheiser was just too heavy, & they moved him to St Loo Used to wonder if the Habs would've built a more aggressive/offensive 1980's squad, had they drafted DS. 6 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Wickenheiser was the consensus number one pick. It wasn’t an off the book choice He just didn’t work out. Montréal missed out on both Savard and Coffey. Painful but it happens. They were fine... more than fine 6 years later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, qwijibo said: Hasn’t happened in the salary cap era. Star players on entry level deals are far up valuable now Perhaps, but "never" is an absolute being thrown around that has been demonstrated to be overstated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: The Lightning and Burkie say hi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft https://globalnews.ca/news/2775878/how-brian-burkes-dealmaking-brought-the-sedins-to-the-vancouver-canucks/ Man thank goodness for Burkie. That was THE year to go all in and pick the 2 best players in the entire draft. 99% of that draft sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Perhaps, but "never" is an absolute being thrown around that has been demonstrated to be overstated. Sure. “Never” isn’t accurate. It has happened. But not in a long time and not under the current economic circumstances (salary cap). It’s it a 100% certainty that 1st oa won’t ever be moved? No. But in this specific circumstance I’m pretty confident in saying Montreal will not move that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, qwijibo said: Sure. “Never” isn’t accurate. It has happened. But not in a long time and not under the current economic circumstances (salary cap). It’s it a 100% certainty that 1st oa won’t ever be moved? No. But in this specific circumstance I’m pretty confident in saying Montreal will not move that pick. I agree with the bolded, but I should note that the OP didn't differentiate between salary-cap era vs. pre-cap era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 MacKinnon, Stamkos, Hedman...How many #1OA's have legitimately paid off in spades? If one goes back to analyze, it's easy to pick off numerous yrs where the top drafter would've been wise to ca$h in their position, garnering 3-5 top assets. It's merely theoretical(for decades now), but one of these yrs a GM will likely be so bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: Man thank goodness for Burkie. That was THE year to go all in and pick the 2 best players in the entire draft. 99% of that draft sucked. Considering more than 3 players (of 272 drafted) were talented and long-time veteran players in the league performing at a high level (just offhand, there are the Sedins, Zetterberg, and Miller of the Ryan variety who were drafted in '99), I would say your bolded statement is also an overstatement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Bergevin is gone, so no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: The Lightning and Burkie say hi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft https://globalnews.ca/news/2775878/how-brian-burkes-dealmaking-brought-the-sedins-to-the-vancouver-canucks/ Draft was in Boston, not TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, ABNuck said: Draft was in Boston, not TB. I wasn't disputing the location. I was pointing out that the Lightning traded their 1OA pick away, which was then traded away again by Burkie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Considering more than 3 players (of 272 drafted) were talented and long-time veteran players in the league performing at a high level (just offhand, there are the Sedins, Zetterberg, and Miller of the Ryan variety who were drafted in '99), I would say your bolded statement is also an overstatement. haha, ok, maybe 97% sucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'd trade Miller to NYR for their pick, Lafrenier and K Miller. Then Lafrenier and the NYR pick and our 15th pick and a plus to MTL for the 1st OA but even then they probably wouldn't do it because the draft is literally being held in Montreal and picking 1st OA in your own barn is a HUGE deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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