Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted May 13 Popular Post Share Posted May 13 Vegas is in cap hell. They have 2 RFA's that will need significant raises and Vegas has zero cap space to sign them. There is a possibility somebody will offer sheet one or both of Nicolas Roy and Nicolas Hague. Vegas is also in win now mode with most of their core in the 30+ range. They could use Miller even if it was just for a one year rental. They have to make the playoffs next year. To Vegas: JT Miller Nils Höglander To Vancouver: Nicolas Roy Nicolas Hague Evgeni Dadonov (cap dump) 2023 1st round pick This is a similar trade to what people were proposing to the Rangers where we get back Schneider (Hague), Kravtsov (Roy) and a 1st round pick. I like this trade better as Roy and Hague are beasts and we get much much bigger as well as much younger with major upside on both players who are already established at the NHL level. This trade allows Vegas to add a 100 point player at a very low cost and allows them to get out of cap hell. They could always extend Miller and allow Pacioretty to walk as a UFA next summer. If we land Kuzmenko and add Dadanov we get some firepower up front and we get a stud 3C in Roy who's also a right hand shot. Hague will be a beast on the back end. The only problem is that Hague is a lefty so we probably need to trade OEL so that Hague can play in the top 4. Not sure if it's possible to trade OEL but if we could then this trade makes even more sense. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Pass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 They're actually a legitimate landing spot for him if he makes it to UFA. Pacioretty's 7M expires at the end of the 22-23 season and he'll be 35 years old. Miller expires that year too, and Vegas has a history of "ooo shiny". I'm not sold on them as a trade partner though, they've traded away much of their higher end trade assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Hard pass. They can’t afford JT anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) Dado probably says "nyet" just like he did to the Anaheim trade. Edited May 13 by 6of1_halfdozenofother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 As great as it would be to steal a #3 C in Roy and a top-4 LD in Hague, like someone else said they can't afford JT via a trade. We might as well offer-sheet one of them (we don't even need to pay them that much but [short of trading away their 1st and Dadonov] they already can't re-sign either of them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Would jump on this deal like the proverbial, Fat kid on a smartie! Feel it addresses many shortcomings, simultaneously..as well, straightens out that stupid 2017 lind/Hague gaffe! If necc, put Quinn on rhd..maybe with the big monster Hague? PO puck keeps proving you need some size. Nice suggestion, EP 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 No, simply because I have no interest in helping an organization that was 'gifted' a cup-level team and then effed it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: They're actually a legitimate landing spot for him if he makes it to UFA. Pacioretty's 7M expires at the end of the 22-23 season and he'll be 35 years old. Miller expires that year too, and Vegas has a history of "ooo shiny". I'm not sold on them as a trade partner though, they've traded away much of their higher end trade assets. I do like the idea of poaching 1 or more of Roy, Hague or Whitecloud from them tho. We could offer a 2024 2nd for Hague or Roy (basically a veiled offer sheet threat) or maybe they would move Whitecloud for Dermott and a later round pick to save $. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, JM_ said: I do like the idea of poaching 1 or more of Roy, Hague or Whitecloud from them tho. We could offer a 2024 2nd for Hague or Roy (basically a veiled offer sheet threat) or maybe they would move Whitecloud for Dermott and a later round pick to save $. If we can free up cap space I think we could come out ahead while helping them alleviate their cap headache, I just don't see them as a trade partner regarding Miller. We've done that before with Schmidt, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 31 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Would jump on this deal like the proverbial, Fat kid on a smartie! Feel it addresses many shortcomings, simultaneously..as well, straightens out that stupid 2017 lind/Hague gaffe! If necc, put Quinn on rhd..maybe with the big monster Hague? PO puck keeps proving you need some size. Nice suggestion, EP Thanks Nux. Didn't you suggest OEL to the Islanders for Mayfield? Hughes Mayfield Hague Myers Rathbone Schenn All of a sudden we go from one of the smaller D's in the league to one of the biggest... Hague Myers will be a handful for any team. And Hague Mayfield will be a top penalty killing unit in the NHL. Hughes runs PP1, Rathbone runs PP2... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 46 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: As great as it would be to steal a #3 C in Roy and a top-4 LD in Hague, like someone else said they can't afford JT via a trade. We might as well offer-sheet one of them (we don't even need to pay them that much but [short of trading away their 1st and Dadonov] they already can't re-sign either of them). We could retain to help them out and ask for another draft pick in the trade as compensation for retaining... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Thanks Nux. Didn't you suggest OEL to the Islanders for Mayfield? Hughes Mayfield Hague Myers Rathbone Schenn All of a sudden we go from one of the smaller D's in the league to one of the biggest... Hague Myers will be a handful for any team. And Hague Mayfield will be a top penalty killing unit in the NHL. Hughes runs PP1, Rathbone runs PP2... No, don't think OEL will be easy to move. Mentioned recently, he's the price we pay for consolidating our cap-debts We prob gotta ride that one out for another 1-3 yrs?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) I'm open to this deal, but not with Hoglander in it. No reason for us to dump a young prospect in a trade to help Vegas. They can have Miller and we can take back Dadonov (for the cap dump) along with either those 2 prospects and no 1st (maybe a 2nd), but leave Hog out of it and if they want we can retain a million or two on JT's contract (or they can take another player). Maybe at the deadline we can also flip Dadonov for a 2nd/3rd round pick if he has a decent season (or we'll keep him if we are in a playoff spot). Edited May 13 by Bobby James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, Coconuts said: If we can free up cap space I think we could come out ahead while helping them alleviate their cap headache, I just don't see them as a trade partner regarding Miller. We've done that before with Schmidt, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again. yeah I don't see Miller as an offseason move to Vegas. If we suck again this year tho, maybe 50% retained at the TDL? Even then, this isn't much I'd want out of their prospect pipeline, and their 1st would be a late one. So likely better options elsewhere even then. Roy for a 2nd tho... now that does help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 11 minutes ago, JM_ said: yeah I don't see Miller as an offseason move to Vegas. If we suck again this year tho, maybe 50% retained at the TDL? Even then, this isn't much I'd want out of their prospect pipeline, and their 1st would be a late one. So likely better options elsewhere even then. Roy for a 2nd tho... now that does help us. I still don't think he's here to start the season, but that's something else Yeah, Vegas doesn't have much in the way of prospects and their first is probably a lower one next season as I imagine they'll bounce back in the standings if they can be even a little bit healthier than they were this season I think having Eichel to start the season will help, he also played the final six weeks of the season with a broken thumb If we make a deal with Vegas I think it'd have to involve someone from their roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: I still don't think he's here to start the season, but that's something else Yeah, Vegas doesn't have much in the way of prospects and their first is probably a lower one next season as I imagine they'll bounce back in the standings if they can be even a little bit healthier than they were this season I think having Eichel to start the season will help, he also played the final six weeks of the season with a broken thumb If we make a deal with Vegas I think it'd have to involve someone from their roster Eichel will be, in Alfian terminology, a busteroo imo. He's not a leader, he's not a great team mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 20 minutes ago, JM_ said: Eichel will be, in Alfian terminology, a busteroo imo. He's not a leader, he's not a great team mate. He doesn't have to be a leader, he just needs to produce. A bustaroo? Nah, he's too talented for that. I think he'll bounce back after a healthy summer of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameci Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I like it, but I don’t see how Vegas can afford this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Jesse Granger lists Roy and Hague among the players Vegas hopes to keep - both RFAs and offer-sheet eligible. He thinks they will do their possible to move cap space elsewhere so they can retain them. The players who are most likely gone according to him are Dadonov, Janmark and Brossoit. Others like Lehner, Pacioretty, Karlsson or Martinez could also be cap casualties although he thinks it's more likely they are retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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