Nuxfanabroad Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Assuming Du_ba$$ gets gassed..as he promised this holdout he wouldn't ever deal him! :^) In truth, this guy has winger-speed we could use. Presumably we make more deals(with other W's especially, acquiring more D) Van: JT Miller, Jason Dickinson, Jet Woo, 2023 2nd Hogtown: Nylander, Liljegren, 2023 1st rd pick(NO protection) ************************************ The $ & cap AAV are basically a wash. Nylander has an extra yr of contract & is a few yrs younger. Like his speed, & the guy does stay healthy. With Bo or EP, he could add elements to either line. & from TO's pov?? My free advice would be a dramatic tear-down! Matthews to LA, for Kempe, Brandt Clarke, Byfield & 1 more asset(?) Mitchy to colddd Winterpeg, for Scheifele, Brenden Dillon, Heinola & a 2nd BANG! NOW they can afford to pay a ****ing goaltender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Seeing how much this fanbase loves Miller, and how much TO's fanbase throws Nylander under the bus, constantly, for the last 5 years... that's a hard pass from me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Not for Wee Willie. For little Mitchell, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 I doubt they fire Dubie and I doubt they rebuild. They lost to the 2x defending champs in a close series. And I wouldn't want any of those TO assets mentioned in the proposal - any Miller trade should be able to return much better than that. Adding a cap-dump will a Miller trade negates any value so that's a no in my view. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 They should fire Dubie, he's put together a team that can't win a series and has no cap space. Hard pass on Nylander. The only player that can get significant and plays close to contract value is AM. And we all know he's going to dictate where he goes. He's going to pull a Seth Jones sooner than later. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, JM_ said: They should fire Dubie, he's put together a team that can't win a series and has no cap space. Hard pass on Nylander. The only player that can get significant and plays close to contract value is AM. And we all know he's going to dictate where he goes. He's going to pull a Seth Jones sooner than later. Matthews might want out this summer. He could force a trade to the Coyotes. And a return of Chychrun + + + would definitely reallocate the Leafs’ cap to a better balance. Dubas wont do it though. So he (and Shanahan) will need to go first. Out: Shamaplan, Dumbass, Pants Down In: Bergevin, Chychrun, +, +, + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Matthews might want out this summer. He could force a trade to the Coyotes. And a return of Chychrun + + + would definitely reallocate the Leafs’ cap to a better balance. Dubas wont do it though. So he (and Shanahan) will need to go first. Out: Shamaplan, Dumbass, Pants Down In: Bergevin, Chychrun, +, +, + dunno... AM is going to have full control over where he goes and that team is a pure crap heap. Does he really want to go there now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 OEL or Myers for Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: dunno... AM is going to have full control over where he goes and that team is a pure crap heap. Does he really want to go there now? How big is AM’s head? Maybe he sees himself as a saviour for hockey in Arizona? Herman would sure love to see that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: How big is AM’s head? Maybe he sees himself as a saviour for hockey in Arizona? Herman would sure love to see that happen. Pretty big, he's a walking candy apple. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Assuming Du_ba$$ gets gassed..as he promised this holdout he wouldn't ever deal him! :^) In truth, this guy has winger-speed we could use. Presumably we make more deals(with other W's especially, acquiring more D) Van: JT Miller, Jason Dickinson, Jet Woo, 2023 2nd Hogtown: Nylander, Liljegren, 2023 1st rd pick(NO protection) ************************************ The $ & cap AAV are basically a wash. Nylander has an extra yr of contract & is a few yrs younger. Like his speed, & the guy does stay healthy. With Bo or EP, he could add elements to either line. & from TO's pov?? My free advice would be a dramatic tear-down! Matthews to LA, for Kempe, Brandt Clarke, Byfield & 1 more asset(?) Mitchy to colddd Winterpeg, for Scheifele, Brenden Dillon, Heinola & a 2nd BANG! NOW they can afford to pay a ****ing goaltender. No, I don’t think the person that Toronto needs to move to fix itself would fit in our strategy. Since Tavares is full NMC, they need to move either Matthews or Marner to balance their lineup and cap allocation. Until they move one of those players to address their defense etc, they are going to struggle to get through the first round. By may math, there were 3 teams in the East that Toronto needed to avoid to make it through the first round. Tampa, Florida and Carolina, I think all three would have beaten them. Having 40% + of your cap taken up by 3 guys, doesn’t work in today’s NHL. You need depth and balance. Toronto doesn’t have a Hedman on the Blueline, they have some good players back there, but no one elite. Edited May 15, 2022 by VegasCanuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 What are the chances TOR throws a bunch of money at Trotz to coach them next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 hours ago, JM_ said: dunno... AM is going to have full control over where he goes and that team is a pure crap heap. Does he really want to go there now? I think Matthews likes being on a winning team. They're lacking certain intangibles like heart which is reflected in their lack of playoff success. But I can't see someone who is so entitled opt for starting over again anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: I think Matthews likes being on a winning team. They're lacking certain intangibles like heart which is reflected in their lack of playoff success. But I can't see someone who is so entitled opt for starting over again anywhere. I wonder if we will see some kind of mega-deal between a team like the Rangers and TO. Or maybe LA. Both NYR and LA have "now" roster pieces and futures that could make a deal work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Alflives said: How big is AM’s head? Maybe he sees himself as a saviour for hockey in Arizona? Herman would sure love to see that happen. I could see him wanting to go there in a few years when they have a lot of high pick talent and he will look like the saviour, But I think he will be happy until then staying a Leaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Hell no. Nylander is still a lazy floater and Liljegren can't play any defence whatsoever. If we're trading Miller, I want something actually useful back instead of Toronto's trash. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Marner with $3m retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Matthews might want out this summer. He could force a trade to the Coyotes. And a return of Chychrun + + + would definitely reallocate the Leafs’ cap to a better balance. Dubas wont do it though. So he (and Shanahan) will need to go first. Out: Shamaplan, Dumbass, Pants Down In: Bergevin, Chychrun, +, +, + I think Arizona will wait until he's a UFA and get him for free. They are in no rush to compete. In 3 years they might actually have a decent team if they play their cards right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) Toronto has built a team that is made for the regular season. Their best assets are in their top 6. But it's goaltending and defence that win cups. I don't think I have seen a single team score it's way to a cup since the Oilers in the mid 80's. What they have is a very unbalanced team. I'd trade some of the top 6 for experienced defenders. They don't need JT Miller. What they needed was available 2 years ago (for no assets) in Markstrom and Tanev but dumbo put them in cap Hell. Edited May 15, 2022 by nuckin_futz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goog16 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 NO...Miller is the type of guy you win with,Nylander,well...not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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