[discussion] CBJ - VAN

[Angry Goose]

So talk surrounding the Blue Jackets is that they need to improve overall, and add some size to the line up and/or back end. They are a very young team as well.  

 

Further, they have some good draft capital. Id expect them to make their selection at #6 but #12 could be in play.  

 

Miller would be a huge hometown PR homerun, and he would definitely be expected to be a leader/play a similar role like he did in VAN.  Id assume he re-signs with CBJ as part of the deal.  

 

Myers would definitely add the size element they are looking for, and if the price is right he could be a good short term (possibly long term addition).  

 

Im not saying both Myers and Miller would be traded there, maybe one or the other but both would be quite the headline and an interesting deal. 

 

CBJ players worth targeting:

 

Jake Bean (LD)

Andrew Peeke (RD)

Kent Johnson (C/LW)

Cole Sillinger  (C)

Liam Foudy (C, LW/RW)

 

Sillinger is probably untouchable, but would u do Miller for Johnson/12OA?  Or Miller for Peeke, Foudy, 12OA? 

 

I would bet if the Canucks swapped salaries w/ Myers & Nyquist,

VAN could get a decent asset back.  You then try to flip Nyquist again at the TDL.  

 

Discuss

 

 

 

[mll]

Kekaleinen stated that he's not going to give up picks for immediate help.  Says it has to be something that makes sense for the future and that they aren't going to be doing anything to get 30 year olds with their picks.  

 

He says if there's the right deal for someone that could be with the team for 10 years they might consider it.  That quote can probably be extended to prospects.  Blue Jackets are in a re-set where they are trying to build a new core of young players.  Miller feels much too old for what they are trying to do.

[Angry Goose]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Kekaleinen stated that he's not going to give up picks for immediate help.  Says it has to be something that makes sense for the future and that they aren't going to be doing anything to get 30 year olds with their picks.  

 

He says if there's the right deal for someone that could be with the team for 10 years they might consider it.  That quote can probably be extended to prospects.  Blue Jackets are in a re-set where they are trying to build a new core of young players.  Miller feels much too old for what they are trying to do.

Miller is 100 percent a long term addition, and adding a player of that calibet absolutely makes sense.  

 

Adding Miller and drafting a top prospect at #6 is a home run

[HKSR]

4 minutes ago, mll said:

Kekaleinen stated that he's not going to give up picks for immediate help.  Says it has to be something that makes sense for the future and that they aren't going to be doing anything to get 30 year olds with their picks.  

 

He says if there's the right deal for someone that could be with the team for 10 years they might consider it.  That quote can probably be extended to prospects.  Blue Jackets are in a re-set where they are trying to build a new core of young players.  Miller feels much too old for what they are trying to do.

TLDR:  Probably means Voracek is on his way out if the right deal comes along. 

[Coconuts]

I think they could use Miller but I don't see Sillinger being on the table, he's a piece they'll build around going forward 

[Angry Goose]

43 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

 

Sillinger is probably untouchable

 

 

2 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I think they could use Miller but I don't see Sillinger being on the table, he's a piece they'll build around going forward 

 

[Angry Goose]

imagine Miller and Jenner as your top 2 C’s?  Fantastic mentors for a toung Sillinger.  

 

Miller setting up Laine? 

 

yeesh

[mll]

19 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

Miller is 100 percent a long term addition, and adding a player of that calibet absolutely makes sense.  

 

Adding Miller and drafting a top prospect at #6 is a home run

He doesn't make sense for Vancouver but somehow he makes sense for a team that is even younger than the Canucks and further away from contention?

 

[Angry Goose]

2 minutes ago, mll said:

He doesn't make sense for Vancouver but somehow he makes sense for a team that is even younger than the Canucks and further away from contention?

 

CBJ have a plethora of young AND elite talent and Miller would be an ideal leader and contributor for this team.  They will continue to keep adding young talent at this year’s draft.  

 

Losing a Johnson and 12 OA is a fair price to pay to add a hometown Crosby like player in Miller to that team.  Both teams make out fairly.  If CBJ see a fit in Miller, there are other moves  they can make to add even more young talent.  

 

I dont know whats happening w/ VAN.  Im assuming mgmt wants to add more young talent which in comparison to CBJ, Id say they lack

 

 

 

[Angry Goose]

18 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

 

Miller setting up Laine? 

 

yeesh

This cant be emphasized enough.  You could have one of the leagues best lines AND PP w/ these two playing together

[mll]

2 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

CBJ have a plethora of young AND elite talent and Miller would be an ideal leader and contributor for this team.  They will continue to keep adding young talent at this year’s draft.  

 

Losing a Johnson and 12 OA is a fair price to pay to add a hometown Crosby like player in Miller to that team.  Both teams make out fairly.  If CBJ see a fit in Miller, there are other moves  they can make to add even more young talent.  

 

I dont know whats happening w/ VAN.  Im assuming mgmt wants to add more young talent which in comparison to CBJ, Id say they lack

 

 

 

Miller's hometown is more Pittsburgh than Columbus - his hometown is right at the border.

 

They named Jenner their C for a reason and brought in Voracek.  These guys are tasked to help prepare their future which is centered around Johnson and Sillinger and whoever they'll pick this draft.  That quote about not spending picks on 30 year olds is from Kekaleinen himself.

 

[Angry Goose]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Miller's hometown is more Pittsburgh than Columbus - his hometown is right at the border.

 

They named Jenner their C for a reason and brought in Voracek.  These guys are tasked to help prepare their future which is centered around Johnson and Sillinger and whoever they'll pick this draft.  That quote about not spending picks on 30 year olds is from Kekaleinen himself.

 

That’s great.  Voracek and Jenner dont preclude adding a player and leader like Miller.  Teams, esp. young needs a large group of leaders in case you didnt know.  I wouldnt infer/take too literally anything from generalquotes.  Doesnt change the fact a player like Miller is a completely different conversation entirely.  

 

Could very well end up being nothing.  But I see a very good fit for both teams here

[Bobby James]

I'd be open to it as a Canucks fan for sure. I think we should move Miller 

But I'm not sure Columbus is looking to add more veteran talent into their lineup. They are trending young, but have some good vet pieces to lead the way and mentor the prospects. Currently they'll have 5 guys 28 or older next season in their forward line up, so I don't think they are lacking leadership/experience. 

 

I could see them being interested if they are a win now team and view the next 4-5 years as their window to push. Then for sure, you're adding a point producing 2 way center in his prime. But that's not the vibe I've been getting from that organization and feel more like Vancouver and are retooling the team.

[NUCKER67]

9 minutes ago, mll said:

Miller's hometown is more Pittsburgh than Columbus

Malkin could be done. A 1-2 punch of Crosby and Miller at C.  Of course, PIT will need a RD, especially if they don't resign Letang and lose Marino.

 

to PIT:  Miller and Myers

to VAN:  Marino and Carter

 

Carter fills that #3C spot very nicely IMO.  He's old, but he's still got lots of game, and he's not expensive.

 

 

[mll]

12 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

That’s great.  Voracek and Jenner dont preclude adding a player and leader like Miller.  Teams, esp. young needs a large group of leaders in case you didnt know.  I wouldnt infer/take too literally anything from generalquotes.  Doesnt change the fact a player like Miller is a completely different conversation entirely.  

 

Could very well end up being nothing.  But I see a very good fit for both teams here

CBJ are building towards the future.  They aren't good enough to win a Cup in the near future.  Adding Miller just slows the process - he takes ice time / opportunities away from younger players.   As it is CBJ could be looking to move some of their more veteran players to open up more opportunities for their youth.  Also Miller is unlikely to be worth his contract when their window opens up which will limit what they can do to improve.  

 

All the arguments as to not extend Miller apply even more so to CBJ who are building around a younger core and are further away to contending than Vancouver.  They named a development coach to replace Torts - not a win now coach but someone they felt was going to be the best at developing their young players.

 

Wasn't a general quote but a specific question as to whether they would use picks to add win now players - answer being no with Kekaleinen bringing up that they aren't looking to do anything to add 30 year olds.

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by mll

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said:

Malkin could be done. A 1-2 punch of Crosby and Miller at C.  Of course, PIT will need a RD, especially if they don't resign Letang and lose Marino.

 

to PIT:  Miller and Myers

to VAN:  Marino and Carter

 

Carter fills that #3C spot very nicely IMO.  He's old, but he's still got lots of game, and he's not expensive.

 

 

Wow!  That seems like little value for Miller other than attaching Myers as a cap dumperoo.

[mll]

5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Malkin could be done. A 1-2 punch of Crosby and Miller at C.  Of course, PIT will need a RD, especially if they don't resign Letang and lose Marino.

 

to PIT:  Miller and Myers

to VAN:  Marino and Carter

 

Carter fills that #3C spot very nicely IMO.  He's old, but he's still got lots of game, and he's not expensive.

 

 

They just extended Carter and his deal only starts next season.  He was given a full NMC.  It's Hextall that convinced him to waive to join Pittsburgh.  Reports were always that he would retire if the Kings forced a trade.  So wouldn't expect him to waive for Vancouver.    

 

[Angry Goose]

4 minutes ago, Bobby James said:

I'd be open to it as a Canucks fan for sure. I think we should move Miller 

But I'm not sure Columbus is looking to add more veteran talent into their lineup. They are trending young, but have some good vet pieces to lead the way and mentor the prospects. Currently they'll have 5 guys 28 or older next season in their forward line up, so I don't think they are lacking leadership/experience. 

 

I could see them being interested if they are a win now team and view the next 4-5 years as their window to push. Then for sure, you're adding a point producing 2 way center in his prime. But that's not the vibe I've been getting from that organization and feel more like Vancouver and are retooling the team.

Guance, Kuraly and Danforth cant put a team in their back.  Miller can.  that’s the type of leadership Im referring to.

 

They could and probably would make additional moves e.g move Voracek / Canucks take back salary in Nyquist.   

 

From what I gather CBJ needs internal improvement.  Miller can certainly help lead the way.  Fans would be excited.  The players within that org would be excited.  CBJ still have #6 plus the rest of their draft picks.  Are they looking to tank next year?  Dont think so.  

 

I think VAN / CBJ can work out a deal that doesn’t compromise CBJ’s youth addition 

 

 

[Angry Goose]

12 minutes ago, mll said:

CBJ are building towards the future.  They aren't good enough to win a Cup in the near future.  Adding Miller just slows the process - he takes ice time / opportunities away from younger players.   As it is CBJ could be looking to move some of their more veteran players to open up more opportunities for their youth.  Also Miller is unlikely to be worth his contract when their window opens up which will limit what they can do to improve.  

 

All the arguments as to not extend Miller apply even more so to CBJ who are building around a younger core and are further away to contending than Vancouver.  They named a development coach to replace Torts - not a win now coach but someone they felt was going to be the best at developing their young players.

 

Wasn't a general quote but a specific question as to whether they would use picks to add win now players - answer being no with Kekaleinen bringing up that they aren't looking to do anything to add 30 year olds.

 

Miller is a long-term piece-that’s future oriented.  

 

Sillinger and Johnson arnt rdy for top 6 C mins.  Johnson has been playing wing at that. The ice time/ opportunities point seems silly, esp. with players so young into their pro careers.  There will be top 6 opportunities when young guys are ready, and Miller is a versatile player.  If anything, young players would be eager to play with and learn from Miller. 

 

The contending point is relative.  The Canucks elite young talent are further along in their careers and hence why you would consider them closer.  But CBJ have more prospect depth already, and will have even more after this year’s draft.  Getting those player to reach their ceilings is just as important.  A “development coach” isnt the only means.  Arguably having the right players around is better.

[BigTramFan]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Wow!  That seems like little value for Miller other than attaching Myers as a cap dumperoo.

Yeah I agree it seems ridiculous but I think that the value that Miller will bring back if traded now is much lower than at the 2022 TDL. He is only signed for one more year and then most teams can't (or won't want to) sign him to a big long term deal at his age. So dumping Myers and getting back a legit young RD signed long term at a very good cap hit (Marino) is a good start. I think PIT need to add something else instead of Carter. Kapanen plus a pick seems about right. Ends up something like:

 

To VAN: Marino + Kapanen + 2023 2nd

To PIT: Miller + Myers

 

The other way to go might be dealing Miller at the TDL, but that's a big risk (i.e. poor performance and injuries next season could drop Miller's value significantly by the TDL).