hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) I'll start off by saying I don't think Dickinson or Poolman are terrible players on a bad contracts. How has Morrissey been in WPG without Poolman? Dicky was brutal to play against in Dallas. I do think they are worth their contracts they signed however the fit here hasn't been right for them or us. Conversely there are many players around the league who may not be great fits or are underperforming on teams that may not be able to deploy them correctly. I would target Armia. To MTL Dickinson 2.65 x 2 To Van Joel Armia 3.4m x 3 and they throw in a coiler 2nd. MTL is in cap trouble and a bottom feeder simultaneously this is not what you want. They move the clock forward a year and save money annually while getting a player they can plug and play into Armia's spot for less while they figure out their future. Armia is getting paid a lil too much for what he brings them. We get a late 2nd (Noah Warren Territory) and a slightly more expensive PK specialist with size who can skate. On the surface you may protest but this allows us to move a player like Pearson and start putting round pegs in round holes. To Arizona Poolman 2.5 x 3 + Pearson 3.25 x 2 To Canucks Nick Ritchie 2.5 x 1 + 5th We dump 2.25m and 5.75m when it comes time to re up Bo and Miller get a gritty big guy to play PP net front who fits our age group can slot in as some top 6 muscle in the playoffs. Arizona gets 2 guys who can play regular mins fill out their roster and help them hit the cap floor without giving up any picks or assets that are part of their rebuild. We have moved some salary To NJ Jack Rathbone + Nils Hoglander it's about fit. They will do great in NJ and probably make us look bad but do they fit here? It's purely a hockey trade. To Nux Ryan GravesLD + Michael Macleod + both NYI and EDM 4th's We get our RS3C young former 1st rounder who can PK and win d zone fo's as well as a shut down LD to allow OEL to play more offence. Sign Kuzmenko to an ELC he brings some speed on the wing Bring in Karlsson 2 way great shot too and the 2 of them can fight for that top 6 spot next to Bo. Competition will be good both trying to prove themselves in the NHL Pete Miller Pod O zone control Kuzmenko Bo Garland 5v5 hard on pucks buzz line Karlsson Macleod Armia utility they will get the puck get it up ice get a chance to score and get off so our top 6 can go to work. Ritchie Lammiko Lockwood Bangers and mash Ritchie can be inserted on the PP while Armia drops to cover the PK with Macleod Lammiko Hughes Schenn status quo for now. OEL Myers but deployed better Graves Burr/Dermott Shut down It's a start we begin to have players in the roles where they will have better success it's a process Rome wasn't built in a day at least we aren't shoe horning guys into spots anymore. We don't win every trade but as a whole I think it's a stronger team. We add a late 2nd and 2x 4th's and a 5th in an under scouted draft. Hey..... Big Gulps.... Huh? Well see ya later........ Edited May 28, 2022 by hammertime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Montreal isn’t in cap trouble. Once Weber’s contract comes off they have $8m to sign 4 bottom of the lineup players. They arent going to pay a 2nd to downgrade to Dickinson from Armia to save $800k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Montreal isn’t in cap trouble. Once Weber’s contract comes off they have $8m to sign 4 bottom of the lineup players. They arent going to pay a 2nd to downgrade to Dickinson from Armia to save $800k Practically 3rd rnd pick to shed 5m off the cap over the duration of Armia's contract. For a player in return they can plug into his role. I think it's fine if I'm MTL it helps them turn the corner quicker with one less year for Dicky. Just my $0.02. I'd do it.... You give up %wize likely nothing in mean nothing years. Edited May 28, 2022 by hammertime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Pearson's got a 7-team NTC, not sure why he'd want to go to a rebuilding Coyotes team. Also really not sure why the Devils would trade Graves, he's their top pair LHD and acquired at a discount from the Avs. IF the Devils would take Hoglander for MacLeod straight up, I'd probably do it, but I don't see the rest happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: Practically 3rd rnd pick to shed 5m off the cap over the duration of Armia's contract. For a player in return they can plug into his role. I think it's fine if I'm MTL it helps them turn the corner quicker with one less year for Dicky. Just my $0.02. I'd do it you give up %wize likely nothing. The thing is Armia is the better player and they don’t need the cap space right now. Paying anything to move him for an inferior poster makes no sense. There’s a very good chance that Price is done. So there’s another $10m in cap space. Plus they’ll likely move Petry this summer as well. They can afford to keep Armia and keep the 2nd round pick you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, hammertime said: Practically 3rd rnd pick to shed 5m off the cap over the duration of Armia's contract. For a player in return they can plug into his role. I think it's fine if I'm MTL it helps them turn the corner quicker with one less year for Dicky. Just my $0.02. I'd do it.... You give up %wize likely nothing in mean nothing years. This is an excellent trade, but I think the Habs need to add a bit more. Dickinson would help them more than Armia helps us. How about Habs add a second and a third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil_314 said: Pearson's got a 7-team NTC, not sure why he'd want to go to a rebuilding Coyotes team. Also really not sure why the Devils would trade Graves, he's their top pair LHD and acquired at a discount from the Avs. IF the Devils would take Hoglander for MacLeod straight up, I'd probably do it, but I don't see the rest happening. Love the Hogs for MacLeod idea. I’m wondering, though, if JR looks at Hogs as a guy he uses as sweetener to dump Poolman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Love the Hogs for MacLeod idea. I’m wondering, though, if JR looks at Hogs as a guy he uses as sweetener to dump Poolman? Rachel Doerrie doesn't seem to think much of McLeod - was talking of players who had speed and no IQ and used him as example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, mll said: Rachel Doerrie doesn't seem to think much of McLeod - was talking of players who had speed and no IQ and used him as example. What about Hogs for Zacha? Could he be 3C behind Petey and Bo? Is Hogs not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Doesn't look like Arizona will be taking cap back for free. Seravalli says he had Armstrong on his podcast telling him that he's actively calling teams in cap trouble to offer them help - he wants futures in return. Seravalli even wonders if Vancouver won't pay up an asset to Arizona to move out Dickinson's contract. Was on Canucks Central of 16 May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, mll said: Doesn't look like Arizona will be taking cap back for free. Seravalli says he had Armstrong on his podcast telling him that he's actively calling teams in cap trouble to offer them help - he wants futures in return. Seravalli even wonders if Vancouver won't pay up an asset to Arizona to move out Dickinson's contract. Was on Canucks Central of 16 May. Dipietro + Dickinson (dumperoo) for 7th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, mll said: Rachel Doerrie doesn't seem to think much of McLeod - was talking of players who had speed and no IQ and used him as example. Sure but there's always a context. Some players are bad in certain metrics and good in others it doesn't make them bad players. Can you clarify the statement and context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I like Poolman, I don't think he was healthy very much last year but after watching Wpg, I think we could trade him back on the cheap. It would work for them because they know him and he had some success there. Plus their D looks terrible. For us it would be a minor cap savings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: What about Hogs for Zacha? Could he be 3C behind Petey and Bo? Is Hogs not enough? Zacha's not really a center (in 70 games, the same amount played as Bo and Bergeron, he took around 1/4 of the draws, which equates to around 5 draws a game). Re: McLeod being all speed, no IQ, I'd still be open to trading for him, since taking draws is a big part of his game and we could really use a RHC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: What about Hogs for Zacha? Could he be 3C behind Petey and Bo? Is Hogs not enough? Don't see them being interested in Höglander. Fitzgerald in his end of season presser says that they have too much of the same and they want to mix things up to have better balance. Sounds like he's looking for size and grit. Höglander is too much of the same. Zacha is available but probably not for Höglander. He's also more of a winger - he can fill out at C but looks better on wing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, mll said: Don't see them being interested in Höglander. Fitzgerald in his end of season presser says that they have too much of the same and they want to mix things up to have better balance. Sounds like he's looking for size and grit. Höglander is too much of the same. Zacha is available but probably not for Höglander. He's also more of a winger - he can fill out at C but looks better on wing. Maybe something around Brock Rathbone? Edited May 28, 2022 by hammertime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, hammertime said: Sure but there's always a context. Some players are bad in certain metrics and good in others it doesn't make them bad players. Can you clarify the statement and context. She deleted all her podcasts after joining Vancouver (- for a reason). It was a quote about speed and how you need to be able to process the game or you get a McLeod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, mll said: She deleted all her podcasts after joining Vancouver (- for a reason). It was a quote about speed and how you need to be able to process the game or you get a McLeod. Yes I'm sure when your'e picking 12 OA your'e not hoping for a defensive 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, hammertime said: Maybe something around Brock Rathbone? He talks of boxing out players in front of their net and being more physical. I don't think that's Rathbone. NJD has young Ds that are pushing for a roster spot just like him - I don't see him moving the needle over what they already have when he's not an established NHLer either. Doesn't sound like Vancouver wants to trade Boeser. Rutherford again indicated that their projections show that they could fit him on 1-year QO under the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 28, 2022 Author Share Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, mll said: He talks of boxing out players in front of their net and being more physical. I don't think that's Rathbone. NJD has young Ds that are pushing for a roster spot just like him - I don't see him moving the needle over what they already have when he's not an established NHLer either. Doesn't sound like Vancouver wants to trade Boeser. Rutherford again indicated that their projections show that they could fit him on 1-year QO under the salary cap. Their LD Is Graves Siegenthaler Bahl Shak. Want something different? Or more of the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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