Harold Drunken Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: What a useless comment. Haha- ok? You're high on something, I'm just not sure it's hockey.... What's useless about saying surrounding your star players with a good supporting cast is important? Edited June 22, 2022 by Harold Drunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Haha- ok? You're high on something, I'm just not sure it's hockey.... What's useless about saying surrounding your star players with a supporting cast is important? Just try adding something to the conversation that's not so obvious and redundant. Lol, I don't think you get to crack jokes about the "high" in my user name when you have "drunken" in yours... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Just try adding something to the conversation that's not so obvious and redundant. Lol, I don't think you get to crack jokes about the "high" in my user name when you have "drunken" in yours... I know, it's kind of ironic. I'll elaborate a little more, Gillis didn't build that core right? Nonis/Burke did - but Gillis did add a few nice pieces to help them along. Gillis, statistically was one of the most successful GM's we've had, even if a lot of the groundwork was laid previously. Gillis was not a good drafter - that's clear. Edited June 22, 2022 by Harold Drunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Gillis was the best GM we ever had. The results of his clubs are the proof. That's not arguable fact. Benning being our worst GM is an opinion with which I agree. He's a janitor in a university last I heard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said: He's a janitor in a university last I heard. Alf forgot about what the previous regime, gifted Gillis vs what he gave JB. It would had really been nice to see, Aquaman give Gillis a chance, to build his own core cause that opportunity alone would had really shown what kind of GM, Gills was. Anyways, with hindsight both Gillis & JB were getting stale and they both failed despite the participation trophies or picks. As for the current regime, the (small) moves: signing free asset(s), Hamonic trade to clear cap space and the gamble on Dermot seemed like very calculated moves but the true test will come with other bigger name players. I am still cautiously optimistic about Allvin and hopefully, with JRs' guidance he will have an opportunity to lead the Canucks to a cup. JR just has a knack for winning... Edited June 23, 2022 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said: Alf forgot about what the previous regime, gifted Gillis vs what he gave JB. It would had really been nice to see, Aquaman give Gillis a chance, to build his own core cause that opportunity alone would had really shown what kind of GM, Gills was. Anyways, with hindsight both Gillis & JB were getting stalen and they both failed despite the participation trophies or picks. As for the current regime, the (small) moves: signing free asset(s), Hamonic trade to clear cap space and the gamble on Dermot seemed like very calculated moves but the true test will come with other bigger name players. Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan. Aquaman is the one common factor associated with both. I really hope the last mess he created in the last regime, has taught him enough about his role as owner - but who knows ? So far Allvin, is off to a good start. Edited June 23, 2022 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan. Burke was my favorite. interesting that he dealt the best all time Canuck and acquired the other 3! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan. Alf: just wondering, which Canuck owner would you prefer, a McCaw type or Aquaman ? Edited June 23, 2022 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) On 6/21/2022 at 2:37 PM, Harold Drunken said: Then we would have to blame Desjardins too, I guess blame anybody but Benning is the motto? The GM signs the players, trades for players, drafts players (with some help) and literally build the team.... but let's not hold him accountable at all for the teams performance for the better part of a decade. If Jim Benning was a great GM who rebuilds, he would have left a quality team with depth, a prospect pipeline who is playoff caliber. This team is and has none of those, so let's blame Travis Green for that? Come on man lol - is Benning your step father? If Benning was such a great GM and drafter, where are all our top notch prospects? I'll tell you, he traded them along with most of our picks for players past their prime on bad contracts. The end. I think Benning is a benefactor of rebuilding through the draft. Never have we seen such top pick success in Vancouver. He is a rebuilder and not a finisher. Rutherford and Alvin are finishers. Edited June 23, 2022 by Me_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan. Actually Linden didn’t let this process start. Benning should’ve replaced his coach at the beginning of the season; not re-signed Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris12345 said: Burke was my favorite. interesting that he dealt the best all time Canuck and acquired the other 3! Burke was Ace. So was Quinn. What a hockey mind he was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 53 minutes ago, Me_ said: Burke was Ace. So was Quinn. What a hockey mind he was. Yea I did love Quinn too! Burke just couldn't lock in a tendy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Me_ said: I think Benning is a benefactor of rebuilding through the draft. Never have we seen such top pick success in Vancouver. He is a rebuilder and not a finisher. Rutherford and Alvin are finishers. Yes yes yes, you've mentioned this several times - albeit without any evidence or facts. I accept that that's your option, and that's ok. We'll never agree on that....and that is also ok. Hugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Harold Drunken said: Yes yes yes, you've mentioned this several times - albeit without any evidence or facts. I accept that that's your option, and that's ok. We'll never agree on that....and that is also ok. Hugs. Oh here are facts: Boeser Pettersson Hughes Podkolzin Traded 1st for Miller Demko Evidence 23OA15 Boeser 324GP - 121G - 135A - 256Pts 05OA17 Pettersson 245GP - 97G - 124A - 221Pts 07OA18 Hughes 205GP - 19G - 146A - 165Pts 10OA19 Podkolzin 79GP - 14G - 12A - 26Pts Miller 202GP - 74G - 143A - 217Pts TOTAL 1055GP - 325G - 560A - 885Pts 36OA14 Demko 136GP - 67W - 53L - 2.84GAA - 0.912sv% Edited June 23, 2022 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, Me_ said: Oh here are facts: Boeser Pettersson Hughes Podkolzin Traded 1st for Miller Demko Evidence Boeser 324GP - 121G - 135A - 256Pts Pettersson 245GP - 97G - 124A - 221Pts Hughes 205GP - 19G - 146A - 165Pts Podkolzin 79GP - 14G - 12A - 26Pts Miller 202GP - 74G - 143A - 217Pts Demko 136GP - 67W - 53L - 2.84GAA - 0.912sv% Drafting top 10 should result in a decent to good player. The Demko pick and the Boeser pick were better than expected for sure. The misses of Virtanen and Juiolevi happen to all teams going through an extended bottom feeder cycle. Considering the series of high picks there should be a decent group of younger guys in the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Me_ said: Oh here are facts: Boeser Pettersson Hughes Podkolzin Traded 1st for Miller Demko Evidence 23OA15 Boeser 324GP - 121G - 135A - 256Pts 05OA17 Pettersson 245GP - 97G - 124A - 221Pts 07OA18 Hughes 205GP - 19G - 146A - 165Pts 10OA19 Podkolzin 79GP - 14G - 12A - 26Pts Miller 202GP - 74G - 143A - 217Pts TOTAL 1055GP - 325G - 560A - 885Pts 36OA14 Demko 136GP - 67W - 53L - 2.84GAA - 0.912sv% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Aiiight. All hail Patrick White. Edited June 23, 2022 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Me_ said: Aiiight. All hail Patrick White. I would list all JB's misses, terrible trades and FA signings but it would take too long and it's redundant now - he's gone. Get over it lol. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Me_ said: Aiiight. All hail Patrick White. Spooner Dickinson Poolman Schmidt Toffoli debacle, traded a pick and "ran out of time" to re-sign - walked for nothing LOUI Player Name Sam Gagner Del Zotto Antione Roussel Jay Beagle Luca Sbisa Bonino, Clendening and a 2nd round pick for Sutter McCann, 2nd round pick and a 4th round pick for Gudbranson (my god) Sven Baertschi Gustaf Forsling for Adam Clendening Alex Burmistrov Travis Hamonic Tim Schaller $6m for Myers Tanev, Stecher, Toffoli walk while keeping Virtanen, signing Holtby and trading for Schmidt (3rd rounder) Our current cap situation Our current lack of prospects .Now believe it or not, there are actually MORE to list but I made my point... Now, you Benning also had many draft misses - shocking I know. Jake Virtanen Nikita Tryamkin Guillaume Brisbois Olli Juolevi Kole Lind Jonah Gadjovich Jett Woo Tyler Madden But yeah you're right, Benning is a master rebuilder. Ugh a bit the bait, again.... Edited June 23, 2022 by Harold Drunken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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