Pears Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I mean, if it's between Sweeney and Pastrnak I could easily see Boston turfing Sweeney. Boston's put too much into their prime aged defense to go for a rebuild. If they've got any sense they'll turf Sweeney and the new GM will go after Miller. They've got a competitive roster in place. They fired the wrong guy. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, mll said: They would more likely go in rebuild mode. Doubt it... Marchand and Hall are still signed for 3 more years, Mcavoy, Lindholm, and Carlo are locked in long term, replacing Pasta with Miller and signing a big name free agent UFA forward, and they're right back in it. Why would they go through the exercise of likely having to move out Marchand, Hall, Lindholm (who they just acquired), and Pasta when all they need to do is likely find a UFA to replace what Bergeron brings to the table? Maybe Bergeron doesn't even retire yet either. No way I see a rebuild in Boston yet. Only a retool at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) I can see sweeny going all in and saying ok, we're going to rebuild in 2-3 years anyways. Pastrnak to Chicago Kane and Toews to Boston plus 2 second rounders (because of the salary issues / cap relief for Chi) Boston would be favorite for a couple of years....Assuming Bergeron comes back Gutsy, swing for the bleachers, and you're going to rebuild in 2-3 anyways because of Bergeron/Marchand (and Kane and Toews )age's. Then ship all those guys off as rentals for a contender in 2-3 years at the deadline and recoup picks. Move out Coyle and Debrusk for cap room Top 2 lines of Haula Bergeron Marchand Hall Toews Kane Pretty darn good for 2-3 years with their defense Edited June 8, 2022 by NucknAsia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, NucknAsia said: I can see sweeny going all in and saying ok, we're going to rebuild in 2-3 years anyways. Pastrnak to Chicago Kane and Toews to Boston plus 2 second rounders (because of the salary issues / cap relief for Chi) Boston would be favorite for a couple of years....Assuming Bergeron comes back Gutsy, swing for the bleachers, and you're going to rebuild in 2-3 anyways because of Bergeron/Marchand (and Kane and Toews )age's. Then ship all those guys off as rentals for a contender in 2-3 years at the deadline and recoup picks Uhh why would Chicago do that? They could unload Kane and Toews separately for huge hauls of picks and prospects for their rebuild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pears said: They fired the wrong guy. This seems likely. It's strange for a team with a competitive roster that consistently makes the playoffs and that recently made the final to fire the coach responsible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, HKSR said: Uhh why would Chicago do that? They could unload Kane and Toews separately for huge hauls of picks and prospects for their rebuild. Ah, I didn't realize they are both UFA's after this season so the salary issues are moot if Chicago moves them at the deadline....good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 58 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Isn’t Don Sweeney the donkey who traded Dougie Hamilton for the 2015 15th overall pick and used it to draft one of the biggest busts in the draft in Zachary Senyshyn? And didn’t he then have two more picks in a row and drafted Jake Debrusk and Jakub Zboril while Mathew Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot were still on the board? Why does he still have a job? Not only should he have been fired for that atrocious draft he should have been arrested and locked up. Our very own Brock Boeser was also available 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 minute ago, I.Am.Ironman said: Our very own Brock Boeser was also available I do not want to think of Brock in a Boston jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Pastrnak's agent, JP Barry, has shot down rumours of a split between Pastrnak and Sweeney. He states that they are prepared to sit down over the summer and look at an extension. Pastrnak denies he has any animosity toward Sweeney. This is just another in a long line of off-season rumour-mongering by reporters with nothing else to report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 teams will be like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Miller 50% retained + Boeser + Rathbone for Pastrnak Carlo Debrusk pre extensions being able to be signed. Worst case we trade one guy who won’t re-sign for another and end up with Carlo still club controlled on a cheap deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Provost said: Miller 50% retained + Boeser + Rathbone for Pastrnak Carlo Debrusk pre extensions being able to be signed. Worst case we trade one guy who won’t re-sign for another and end up with Carlo still club controlled on a cheap deal. If they’re gonna rebuild they’d trade Pastrnak seperately for a massive haul and most definitely wouldn’t trade their #2 defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 45 minutes ago, Pears said: If they’re gonna rebuild they’d trade Pastrnak seperately for a massive haul and most definitely wouldn’t trade their #2 defenseman. Who says they are going to rebuild? They have a bunch of older guys on long term contracts that makes it a lot more likely they will try to extend their window than throw in the towel for a rebuild. They aren't choosing to move on from Pastrnak, he is choosing to move on from them. Who knows what Bergeron is going to do, if they move some pieces around in the offseason to improve their team... he would probably sign an extension for a year or two. If they tear it down, he won't re-sign and they will be REALLY bad while having a bunch of difficult to move expensive veteran contracts. Marchand at 34 for 3 more years Hall at 30 for 3 more years Coyle at 30 for 4 more years Lindholm at 28 for 8 more years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Provost said: Who says they are going to rebuild? They have a bunch of older guys on long term contracts that makes it a lot more likely they will try to extend their window than throw in the towel for a rebuild. They aren't choosing to move on from Pastrnak, he is choosing to move on from them. Who knows what Bergeron is going to do, if they move some pieces around in the offseason to improve their team... he would probably sign an extension for a year or two. If they tear it down, he won't re-sign and they will be REALLY bad while having a bunch of difficult to move expensive veteran contracts. Marchand at 34 for 3 more years Hall at 30 for 3 more years Coyle at 30 for 4 more years Lindholm at 28 for 8 more years If they are rebuilding they don't need to trade every player with a contract over 2 years. They are not Arizona. Lindholm is fine partnering with McAvoy for the next 5-7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Not one step backward... ... But if we can improve, let's go for it. Go Canucks Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 He would cost about $5 billion dollars, so someone will have to make room to sign hm. In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if he garnered at least $9M per year on a long-term deal depending on how his next year goes. Miller is a better player than Pastrnak, but Pasta has a longer history of success. Might about equal out between the two of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Miller for Pasta? I would. OR Garland, Rathbone and the 15th for Pasta and some low prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1. Bruins tank 2. Bruins win lotto and draft Bedard 3. Canucks fan Bedard refuses to play for Bruins and walks to Canucks 4. We're even (not really but close enough) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: If they are rebuilding they don't need to trade every player with a contract over 2 years. They are not Arizona. Lindholm is fine partnering with McAvoy for the next 5-7 years. Well if you pay even slight attention to what you are quoting, that isn’t what I posted. I never even remotely suggested getting my rid of all their contracts over two years. I pointed out the specific long term contracts that are owed to older veterans on their roster. You might want to break yourself of the habit of these dumb fallacy arguments where you invent something entirely irrelevant to try to make a false point. No remote version of rebuilding involves keeping a bunch of 30+ year old expensive players. They aren’t rebuilding with those contracts on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Isn’t Don Sweeney the donkey who traded Dougie Hamilton for the 2015 15th overall pick and used it to draft one of the biggest busts in the draft in Zachary Senyshyn? And didn’t he then have two more picks in a row and drafted Jake Debrusk and Jakub Zboril while Mathew Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot were still on the board? Why does he still have a job? Not only should he have been fired for that atrocious draft he should have been arrested and locked up. He's not a good GM but he's well clear of his former Bruin colleague that we had in charge. And besides, he managed to build a team that came within a game of winning the cup in 2019. Something about stones and glass houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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