Odjick the Warrior Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Vancouver trades Brock Boeser Luke Schenn Tampa Bay Lightning trades Erik Cernak Alex Killorn Cal Foote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Odjick 4 Premier said: Vancouver trades Brock Boeser Luke Schenn Tampa Bay Lightning trades Erik Cernak Alex Killorn Cal Foote Love this for us. Get ‘er done JR. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Why does TB do it though? Not sure how they can fit in such a big contract. Cernak (also Killorn) fit valuable two-way depth roles at much lower costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) Doesn't make any sense for the Bolts. If they had space for Boeser they would just re-sign Palat instead. And Cernak provides them incredible value at 3M next season. He may be made available after next season as he'll be an RFA and due for a big raise but there's a good chance they opt to move Sergachev instead who will also need a raise and doesn't always play in their top-4. If they are trading Killorn chances are they aren't wanting to take much salary back. And lastly the trade value... which is totally lopsided in our favour. Edited June 16, 2022 by kanucks25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) lol... why would TB want Schenn? They coulda easily re-signed him if they wanted/needed him. Boeser is worth Cernak + Foote? Dream on. Cernak and Foote can easily get 2 1sts ++ out in the market. So Boeser is worth 2 1sts plus plus? Edited June 16, 2022 by Drakrami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I don't think Lightning will do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I was thinking Garland for Cernak. Garland is cheaper and cost controlled which is what Tampa needs. Garland would fit their speed and skill game. They need to replace Palat's offence and Garland does that. Thoughts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Outsiders said: I was thinking Garland for Cernak. Garland is cheaper and cost controlled which is what Tampa needs. Garland would fit their speed and skill game. They need to replace Palat's offence and Garland does that. Thoughts? If they do that I'd probably be down, he would fit their team's identity. Is Ferland's contract not insured? If Poolman is LTIR and insured, we could also trade him there for cap relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Phil_314 said: If they do that I'd probably be down, he would fit their team's identity. Is Ferland's contract not insured? If Poolman is LTIR and insured, we could also trade him there for cap relief. LTIR carves into a team's cap space - no contending team is going to want to have less cap. Back in 2019 Brisebois traded away Callahan's LTIR contract for a cap dump because it was preferable to have over 1.3M against their cap for a buried contract than to operate in LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Killorn alone gets you that much as does Cernak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I think when Toronto took on LTIR contracts to gain other assets it confused people on how it works. They all assume Toronto is doing it for cap circumvention because it is Toronto. That was a special case too as it was a player with an uninsured contract so it was basically paying for picks. It was the beginning of rebuild and they had cap to and always have cash to burn so they used that to gain assets to kick off the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 There really is no way I see TBL moving Cernak. He's way too valuable. He'll probably be in the upper echelon of RHD in the entire league soon (if he's not there already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Honestly, considering their salaries and killorn's complete game, I think Tampa Bay refuses straight up Killorn vs Boeser. So basically Foote and Cernek vs Schenn aint happening either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Outsiders said: I was thinking Garland for Cernak. Garland is cheaper and cost controlled which is what Tampa needs. Garland would fit their speed and skill game. They need to replace Palat's offence and Garland does that. Thoughts? Same reason the OP trade doesn't work... why would they give up a prime asset for Garland when they can just re-sign Palat for about the same cap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Makes zero sense for Tampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Makes zero sense for Tampa We need to do like Tampa did to get Cernak. We need to identify a young D man and then trade for him and develop him. Hell, that's how Tampa got Sergachev too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Alflives said: We need to do like Tampa did to get Cernak. We need to identify a young D man and then trade for him and develop him. Hell, that's how Tampa got Sergachev too. I agree! They stole Sergachev from Montreal, one of the worst deals Montreal did under Bergevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, mll said: LTIR carves into a team's cap space - no contending team is going to want to have less cap. Back in 2019 Brisebois traded away Callahan's LTIR contract for a cap dump because it was preferable to have over 1.3M against their cap for a buried contract than to operate in LTIR. The whole thing is can be a little confusing ... Last season Vegas came into the year with contender status, definitely a favourite in the West again. That sure didn't work out ... and now they've traded for Weber and his 7.35ish for 4 more years of LTIR space. It's highly unlikely he will play another game, MTL said they wouldn't consider the deal if he could. Doesn't look like the league is interested in closing the playoff loophole ... changing the "perception" maybe but that's tough to do when Kuch is making T-shirts "18 over the cap" while chugging his bud lite is pretty good comedy. Teams sure love to imitate recent successes. With Vegas it backfired (adding Eichel... someone was always out - they had to be though) which was also comedy (not that hard to find a doctor to set a date on recovery time that meets the leagues "independent review strict standards") anyone who's had an injury knows healing time at some point comes down to the individuals threshold to play or work through pain while continuing re-hab and these guys get the best of the best care...Weber could have easily not played a game his last season, and no doctor would say he had too. Its definitely not black that and white, a lot of grey areas (some they might "tidy up"). Not sure Vegas still gets that contender status going into next season, but they definitely wouldn't surprise anyone if they made the playoffs and ended up in the final four either. Edited June 17, 2022 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 5:46 PM, Outsiders said: I was thinking Garland for Cernak. Garland is cheaper and cost controlled which is what Tampa needs. Garland would fit their speed and skill game. They need to replace Palat's offence and Garland does that. Thoughts? To replace Palat's offence I think TBL will target a mid level UFA such as Vatrano with an offer under $3m. Vatrano would be a good fit in TB and although he doesn't play the same game as Palat, he is an excellent winger with skill and speed, and could fit in their top 6. Alternatively they also still have their 2022 1st round pick which could be used to trade for a cheapish middle 6 winger perhaps with some salary retained. Or perhaps they could go for both Vatrano + a cheap middle 6 winger. To finish off their roster they will probably also resign Rutta and 1-2 league minimum bottom 6 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/18/2022 at 1:22 AM, BigTramFan said: To replace Palat's offence I think TBL will target a mid level UFA such as Vatrano with an offer under $3m. Vatrano would be a good fit in TB and although he doesn't play the same game as Palat, he is an excellent winger with skill and speed, and could fit in their top 6. Alternatively they also still have their 2022 1st round pick which could be used to trade for a cheapish middle 6 winger perhaps with some salary retained. Or perhaps they could go for both Vatrano + a cheap middle 6 winger. To finish off their roster they will probably also resign Rutta and 1-2 league minimum bottom 6 players. Palat might come back on a cheaper 2-3 year deal. TB no state taxes ... Unless he's going to one of the other 4 that don't... I'm pretty sure he will take a "discount" to stay lol. 5 in TB is close to 6 in Vancouver. Could take 3.25 in TB instead of 4ish somewhere else... Edit: Dadanov. Signed 4 x 3 years after 3 very good seasons in the NHL and of course his KHL resume. Covid deal ... so with cap anticipated to go up 3 seasons from now (two more, next and the one after that)... i think that Palat would be happy to sign in TB who's still going to be a contender for awhile, at 4.25 x 4. What would Tampa have to give up to do that? His current cap hit is 5.3.... right in that Miller range where a lot of their good top six guys signed. At a "discount" lol. It would take him to 35 at the same time 4 years from now ... not many guys play that long anymore. Edit: Cernak and Sergachev are their next RFAs they need to be thinking about ... come up after next season. By then still another year of flat cap.... sure they will do what they can to keep Palat ... he's too valuable to them come the post season. McDonagh is their anchor contract. He's the guy they likely will try and unload. 6.75 for a guy who's 33 now until he's 37/38... ouch. Trade proposals could include him ... Sure they won't part with either Sergachev or Cernak easily - but they might be forced to if they can't find a taker for McDonagh...who for sure will be on the third pairing within a couple years. Edited June 19, 2022 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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