Popular Post HKSR Posted June 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2022 To VAN: 2nd OA To NJD: Miller Hoglander 2023 2nd Round Pick VAN does this to acquire a potential superstar stud winger in Slafkovsky. He could step right in next year and be an impact player. NJD get an immediate impact superstar in JT Miller, and Hoglander who could be a really good player in the near future. They also get a 2nd round pick in a deep draft next year. To VAN: Marino To PITT: Garland Poolman ($500k retained) VAN does this to acquire a very good defensive RHD that is locked up on a good contract. PITT does this to acquire a very good winger that is locked up on a good contract. They also receive Poolman at only $2M AAV, which is excellent for a defensively sound RHD. Sign Nic Paul for $3.75M AAV Sign Ilya Lyubushkin for $4M AAV Slafkovsky-Petey-Podkolzin Kuzmenko-Bo-Boeser Pearson-Paul-Dickinson Highmore-Lamikko-Lockwood Hughes-Marino OEL-Lyubushkin Rathbone-Schenn Dermott 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 If Pits would do Garland for Marino we need to do that. I like the Lyubie addition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Although I like your idea to get 2OA, I wonder if JR would be more interested in drafting Jiricek than Slafkosky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 The proposed price for the second overall draft pick is too high imo. I would omt the second round pick. If The Devils pass then I would go after the Flyers fifth overall and draft a defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I would have though more like JTM for 2nd and a 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Although I like your idea to get 2OA, I wonder if JR would be more interested in drafting Jiricek than Slafkosky? what about Slafkovsky at 2, Bischel at 15? bulk up plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) I'd do both those deals, I think folks underestimate just how much a top 3 pick, let alone 1 or 2, is worth. Edited June 21, 2022 by Coconuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordekai Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Overpayment for 2nd overall. Kakko was suppose to be the next superstar winger at 2nd and looked how that turned out. these 18yr kids aren’t guaranteed unless they are named matthews or mcdavid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: I would have though more like JTM for 2nd and a 2nd. You're overvaluing Miller or underestimating the value of the 2OA imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, mordekai said: Overpayment for 2nd overall. Kakko was suppose to be the next superstar winger at 2nd and looked how that turned out. these 18yr kids aren’t guaranteed unless they are named matthews or mcdavid Turned out fine. Not every high pick is going to be a star in the league after 2 COVID shortened season at the age of 20. He is a solid physical winger on the way up in his career. PFs have always taken longer. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mordekai said: Overpayment for 2nd overall. Kakko was suppose to be the next superstar winger at 2nd and looked how that turned out. these 18yr kids aren’t guaranteed unless they are named matthews or mcdavid 4 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Turned out fine. Not every high pick is going to be a star in the league after 2 COVID shortened season at the age of 20. He is a solid physical winger on the way up in his career. PFs have always taken longer. Yeah, and Slafkovsky is also bigger and meaner. I mean, Kakko is no slouch at 6'3" 205lbs at 21yo, but Slafkovsky is already 6'4" 220lbs at 18yo! He plays tough too... he's just gonna be a beast that will be incredibly difficult to handle as he matures into that massive frame. Think Podkolzin, but bigger, stronger and meaner. Edited June 21, 2022 by HKSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordekai Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Coconuts said: You're overvaluing Miller or underestimating the value of the 2OA imo You are undervaluing jt miller venture to guess where he stands in points the last 3 seasons compare to the rest of the league? #12 in total points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I'd do both those deals, I think folks underestimate just how much a top 3 pick, let alone 1 or 2, is worth. Agreed. If it were us with the 2nd overall pick, we'd be wanting more in return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 Crazy to think this kid is only 18 years old, 6'4", 220lbs, has a heckuva release, can dangle as well... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mordekai said: You are undervaluing jt miller venture to guess where he stands in points the last 3 seasons compare to the rest of the league? #12 in total points 5 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Agreed. If it were us with the 2nd overall pick, we'd be wanting more in return. If JTM were 24 or 25 years old, then yeah, you've got a point. But he's nearly 30 years old already. Believe me, I'm as big of a fan of Miller as there is on here, but I'm realistic in that a 2nd OA pick is worth a TON. As Master Mind mentioned, flip the scenario. If the Canucks had 2nd OA, what would it take for you to trade that away knowing you'd have a kid like Slafkovsky sitting there ready to be selected. Edited June 21, 2022 by HKSR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, mordekai said: You are undervaluing jt miller venture to guess where he stands in points the last 3 seasons compare to the rest of the league? #12 in total points Nah, I'm not. I promise you. A top 3 pick hasn't been moved since the Yashin trade, which featured the Isles 20A, it's rarely ever happened in the modern hockey era. Hell, top 10 picks themselves are almost never moved. At 20A most years you're getting what's arguably a 1OA talent because many years don't feature a slam dunk 1OA player. You also potentially set your team up with a young franchise player who'll be both under team control and cost controlled as a RFA. That's worth a helluva lot more than a JT Miller who'll be 30 before his next contract even kicks in. Miller ain't a 23 year old McDavid, he's worth a lot but he ain't worth more than a 2OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Agreed. If it were us with the 2nd overall pick, we'd be wanting more in return. Yup, it'd take a monstrous price for me to be willing to move a top 3 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Really tough to pass on Nemec or Jiricek, or even Cooley, a centre. Slafkovsky is going to be really good, but he's also a winger. I think I'd rather they trade Miller to PHI for the #5, take the RD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: Really tough to pass on Nemec or Jiricek, or even Cooley, a centre. Slafkovsky is going to be really good, but he's also a winger. I think I'd rather they trade Miller to PHI for the #5, take the RD Yup. If we are giving up important assets to move up I think JR would do so to pick one of those highly regarded D - Jiricek preferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. If we are giving up important assets to move up I think JR would do so to pick one of those highly regarded D - Jiricek preferred. Yes, winger are fairly easy to get in trades and free agency. Top 4 RDs are very difficult to acquire and very expensive. This team is missing a high end RD partner for Hughes, not a big winger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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