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To VAN:

William Karlsson

Nicolas Roy

Zach Whitecloud

2nd Round Pick

 

To VGK:

JT Miller (50% retained)

Tucker Poolman ($500k retained)

 

VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV.  Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings.  Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against.  A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too.  Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD.  Exactly what we need.  Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA).

 

VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space.  As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year.  Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did.

 

Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have:

 

Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser

Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland

Pearson-Horvat-Roy

Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson

 

Hughes-Lyubushkin

OEL-Whitecloud

Rathbone-Schenn

Dermott

 

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11 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

We don't have the cap space to do this and we definitely shouldn't be doing something stupid like retaining salary on a long-term contract.

Actually we do have the cap space.  Assumption is Myers would be gone.

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1 minute ago, HKSR said:

Actually we do have the cap space.  Assumption is Myers would be gone.

Well then how do you suggest going about that?  We're still better off just burying Poolman in the minors if needed instead of handicapping the franchise for multiple seasons by retaining salary.

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2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Well then how do you suggest going about that?  We're still better off just burying Poolman in the minors if needed instead of handicapping the franchise for multiple seasons by retaining salary.

Going about what?  Moving Myers?  Apparently there's a market for 6'8" top 4 RHD with a mean streak... go figure.

 

https://canucksarmy.com/2022/06/07/the-trade-market-for-canucks-d-tyler-myers-might-be-14-teams-bigger-than-we-thought/

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Allvin/JR can, and should be able to do better than this.

We need young blue-chip roster players (a center and/or a RHD) and high picks in return for Miller.   

I still say there's deals to be made with a team like LA.  They have virtually all of their picks (or someone else's) in every high round for the next three drafts and the have a log-jam of blue-chip RHD that won't all be able to play at the next level because there's no natural roster spot for them. 

I'm not against retaining on Miller since it's only for 1 year, especially if it facilitates us getting exactly what we need - but a hard no on retaining on players with any 'term' left. 

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34 minutes ago, HKSR said:

To VAN:

William Karlsson

Nicolas Roy

Zach Whitecloud

2nd Round Pick

 

To VGK:

JT Miller (50% retained)

Tucker Poolman ($500k retained)

 

VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV.  Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings.  Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against.  A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too.  Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD.  Exactly what we need.  Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA).

 

VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space.  As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year.  Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did.

 

Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have:

 

Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser

Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland

Pearson-Horvat-Roy

Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson

 

Hughes-Lyubushkin

OEL-Whitecloud

Rathbone-Schenn

Dermott

 

Karlsson and Roy are interesting adds for sure. 

 

I prefer the idea of threatening Vegas with an offer sheet, but like the idea of maintaining C depth. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Ok, what's the return without doing something idiotic like retaining salary?

A 2nd round pick or 3rd round pick would do it for me to cut loose $6M in cap hit..

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24 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Ok, what's the return without doing something idiotic like retaining salary?

I really don't think any retention is nessicary. Myers is fine. Its better if we let him play out his contract than retain to move him. If a team offers a 2nd maybe consider it. But it would create a hole that if were easily filled a team wouldn't be offering a 2nd in the first place. 

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20 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Karlsson had 35 points last year, how does he displace Bo. His contract is terrible and would want a first to even consider taking that god awful contract on.  He has been getting worse quickly. 
I like adding Roy but no sense putting him on wing. 
Whitecloud is nice piece but depth D, bloated horrible contract on a guy with as many goals as Chiasson, a good 3rd line centre and a second are not worth Miller much less Miller with retention. 

Karlsson had a down year.  He's usually in and around a 60 pts pace over 82 games.

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32 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Karlsson had 35 points last year, how does he displace Bo. His contract is terrible and would want a first to even consider taking that god awful contract on.  He has been getting worse quickly. 
I like adding Roy but no sense putting him on wing. 
Whitecloud is nice piece but depth D, bloated horrible contract on a guy with as many goals as Chiasson, a good 3rd line centre and a second are not worth Miller much less Miller with retention. 

Exactly, old Karl was great but trending down  so much.Whitecloud isn't light-years ahead of Poolman. These deals help vgk more than us.

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46 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Karlsson had a down year.  He's usually in and around a 60 pts pace over 82 games.

Since his big year for VGK he has had 59, 46, 39 and 35 points. That is a player on a rapid decline not a player having a bad year.  Goal scoring even worse from 43 down to 24,15, 14, 12. That is Player Name like decline. 

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1 hour ago, HKSR said:

To VAN:

William Karlsson

Nicolas Roy

Zach Whitecloud

2nd Round Pick

 

To VGK:

JT Miller (50% retained)

Tucker Poolman ($500k retained)

 

VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV.  Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings.  Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against.  A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too.  Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD.  Exactly what we need.  Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA).

 

VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space.  As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year.  Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did.

 

Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have:

 

Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser

Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland

Pearson-Horvat-Roy

Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson

 

Hughes-Lyubushkin

OEL-Whitecloud

Rathbone-Schenn

Dermott

 

Just to clarify, do you mean to pay one-half of Miller's salary for the length of his current contract? In other words for the 2022-2023 season only.

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Just now, YEGCanuck said:

Just to clarify, do you mean to pay one-half of Miller's salary for the length of his current contract? In other words for the 2022-2023 season only.

Yup

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