HKSR Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, mll said: They cleared 5M in cap space by moving the Dadonov contract but now they have to operate in LTIR with all the limitations it brings. Ideally they would have moved Dadonov without taking back Weber but the cost was probably far too high. Before the Weber trade they had a cap hit of 82.3M so only 200K under the cap. Dadonov has a 5M contract. They moved out Dadonov and took back Weber's 7.9M. So they now have a cap of 85.2M (82.3 - 5 + 7.9) and are 2.7M above the 82.5M cap - as shown now on CapFriendly. 85.2M - Weber's 7.9M is 77.3M which is 5M below the 82.3M they were at before moving Dadonov. Weber counts against the cap and only LTIR contracts can exceed 82.5M. With Weber on LTIR they can go up as high as 82.5M + 7.9M = 90.4M (if they manage to get the full relief). Their regular roster still has to be under 82.5M. Adding Weber doesn't create cap space but moving Dadonov did clear 5M. They might not get the full 5M because they still need to be able to build a roster to get the full relief, they won't be able to accrue cap space. It's not ideal but that was the cost to pay to move out Dadonov's contract. So in essence, for their situation, moving Dadonov and then adding Weber has given them the ability to add another player in place of Dadonov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, mll said: It would make their cap situation even more complicated. Teams try and avoid LTIR. Vegas likely hoping to off-load Weber at some point but it was the cost to pay to clear the 5M of Dadonov's contract - other teams knew they were looking to move him and the cost would have otherwise been too high. Maybe as part of a cap dump like they just did to move Dadonov, but not sure why Vancouver would do that. You don't think that Vegas will operate in LTIR?!? I would think that Vegas and Edmonton will almost have to. Sidenote: Ferland is owed 2.75 mil of cash this year I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, HKSR said: So in essence, for their situation, moving Dadonov and then adding Weber has given them the ability to add another player in place of Dadonov. Yes and that player is Reilly Smith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: You don't think that Vegas will operate in LTIR?!? I would think that Vegas and Edmonton will almost have to. Sidenote: Ferland is owed 2.75 mil of cash this year I believe. Ferland could still be moved even though his contract isn't insured. Another team may want to do the same as Vegas, open up cap space by moving an existing contract for Ferland's LTIR contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: You don't think that Vegas will operate in LTIR?!? I would think that Vegas and Edmonton will almost have to. Sidenote: Ferland is owed 2.75 mil of cash this year I believe. They will operate in LTIR. They have no choice now that they've added Weber - their regular roster would have to be at 74.6M to avoid LTIR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 They have no cap space now for either Roy or Hague unless they plan to buy out Pacioretty or trade Karlsson. Both players have NTC's so Arizona is out of the question for a cap dump. I think they try and trade Karlsson and probably buy out Pacioretty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: They have no cap space now for either Roy or Hague unless they plan to buy out Pacioretty or trade Karlsson. Both players have NTC's so Arizona is out of the question for a cap dump. I think they try and trade Karlsson and probably buy out Pacioretty... Trade Miller and Boeser for young D men. Trade a package of Dickinson, picks and/or prospects for Pacioretty (2 mil retained) and Karlsson with Roy and Hague as sweeteners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: They have no cap space now for either Roy or Hague unless they plan to buy out Pacioretty or trade Karlsson. Both players have NTC's so Arizona is out of the question for a cap dump. I think they try and trade Karlsson and probably buy out Pacioretty... Nashville would probably take Pacioretty if they can't extend Forsberg. He's a solid stop gap and won't hurt their rebuild if he's that cheap to acquire. Edited June 23, 2022 by mll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Would Vegas be interested in the Ferland contract, even though it's not insured? So your telling me the Canucks are paying him out of pocket and it is not by insurance? That’s terrible. We shouldn’t have gone after this guy. He is not very tradeable, LTIR cap savings or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, grandmaster said: So your telling me the Canucks are paying him out of pocket and it is not by insurance? That’s terrible. We shouldn’t have gone after this guy. He is not very tradeable, LTIR cap savings or not. No insurance company would cover the Ferland contract but Benning signed it anyway. But it looks like some teams, that use LTIR, might want the contract anyway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 The expectation with the Weber deal is that it will be traded to a minimum team like Arizona or Buffalo at some point. VGK won’t be looking for more LTIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: No insurance company would cover the Ferland contract but Benning signed it anyway. But it looks like some teams, that use LTIR, might want the contract anyway. They likely wouldn't unless they can cap dump someone in the process. Ferland for say Brossoit who Vegas are trying to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Trade Miller and Boeser for young D men. Trade a package of Dickinson, picks and/or prospects for Pacioretty (2 mil retained) and Karlsson with Roy and Hague as sweeteners. That Karlsson contract is horrendous. It could be the worst contract in the NHL right now. Not sure he’s even tradeable at this point without a major sweetener attached. Trading Roy and Hague to dump Karlsson and Pacioretty kinda defeats the whole purpose of Vegas opening up cap space as the two guys they need the cap space for would be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: That Karlsson contract is horrendous. It could be the worst contract in the NHL right now. Not sure he’s even tradeable at this point without a major sweetener attached. Trading Roy and Hague to dump Karlsson and Pacioretty kinda defeats the whole purpose of Vegas opening up cap space as the two guys they need the cap space for would be gone. Well there is another Karlsson deal that may be worse. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Well there is another Karlsson deal that may be worse. True. I forgot about him… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: They have no cap space now for either Roy or Hague unless they plan to buy out Pacioretty or trade Karlsson. Both players have NTC's so Arizona is out of the question for a cap dump. I think they try and trade Karlsson and probably buy out Pacioretty... I'd happily take on one year of patches to snag Roy from them. They can have Ferland back (Assuming we've cleared cap by moving out Myers, Miller etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 Man you guys are harsh... William Karlsson has a down year, and you act like he's the 2nd coming of LE... Prior to this season, he had seasons like this: 2020-21: Pace for 20 goals and 57 points 2019-20: Pace for 20 goals and 60 points 2018-19: 24 goals and 56 points 2017-18: Career year we all know about This guy is a consistent 20 goal 60 point centreman. That screams 2nd line centre for $5.9M. He's nowhere near as terrible as you guys are making him out to be lol 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'd happily take on one year of patches to snag Roy from them. They can have Ferland back (Assuming we've cleared cap by moving out Myers, Miller etc) Sure I’d do that as well. Would Vegas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'd happily take on one year of patches to snag Roy from them. They can have Ferland back (Assuming we've cleared cap by moving out Myers, Miller etc) Yup I'd do this too. I was hoping Van would take advantage of the Vegas cap situation (even with Dadonov) and Pac at one year left is an easy yes if we can get back a solid younger player or a decent pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordekai Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Man you guys are harsh... William Karlsson has a down year, and you act like he's the 2nd coming of LE... Prior to this season, he had seasons like this: 2020-21: Pace for 20 goals and 57 points 2019-20: Pace for 20 goals and 60 points 2018-19: 24 goals and 56 points 2017-18: Career year we all know about This guy is a consistent 20 goal 60 point centreman. That screams 2nd line centre for $5.9M. He's nowhere near as terrible as you guys are making him out to be lol He is not actually. Just because he is on pace to get 60 points doesn't mean he is a 20g 60pts player. In fact he has never hit 60points once other than his miraculous season. His stats is trending down, he can't stay healthy. No one smart enough is going to take on 5 more years of that at 6million. Btw he is older than JT Miller by a few months and since many have claimed JT is OLD and going to trend down, I would assume this logic applies to Karlsson as well. Edited June 24, 2022 by mordekai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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