[Rumour] Vegas shopping Nic Hague

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, mll said:

Ferland still counts against the cap.  Taking back his contract doesn't create cap space.  It's 100% a favour to Vancouver - there's no benefit for Vegas to add Ferland and it might even complicate maximising their relief.  

Not if we take additional cap back.

[DeNiro]

38 minutes ago, mll said:

Pacioretty is near ppg.  Anaheim was willing to help Vegas out by taking Dadonov for only a 2nd round pick.  He could help a team like Detroit, Anaheim stay somewhat competitive as they continue to rebuild and they can then flip him for assets at the TDL.  If Nashville loses Forsberg, he would be a solid 1 year option to buy time for their prospects to continue to develop.  

 

We got a top 4 defenseman in his prime for a 3rd round pick from them.

 

They’re in even worse cap shape now.

 

Pacioretty is worth no more than a 3rd round pick which Pearson and a 4th equals. 
 

Hague is the sweetener. They have no intention or ability to re-sign him anyways.

[mll]

Just now, aGENT said:

Not if we take additional cap back.

Sure, they would likely do the deal if Vancouver offers to take Brossoit back - it's similar to the Weber trade.  They dump cap for a player that might be difficult to move.

 

It's not interesting for VGK, if you are asking for a player that has trade value unless you compensate for dumping Ferland on them:

Ferland + 3rd round pick for Hague is a considerably lesser return than 3rd round pick for Hague.

 

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Sure, they would likely do the deal if Vancouver offers to take Brossoit back - it's similar to the Weber trade.  They dump cap for a player that might be difficult to move.

 

It's not interesting for VGK, if you are asking for a player that has trade value unless you compensate for dumping Ferland on them:

Ferland + 3rd round pick for Hague is a considerably lesser return than 3rd round pick for Hague.

 

Exactly. We take back Brossoit + Hague. They get something like Ferland + MDP

 

Brossoit comes in to compete with Martin for backup/Abby roles.

[mll]

2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

We got a top 4 defenseman in his prime for a 3rd round pick from them.

 

They’re in even worse cap shape now.

 

Pacioretty is worth no more than a 3rd round pick which Pearson and a 4th equals. 
 

Hague is the sweetener. They have no intention or ability to re-sign him anyways.

Pacioretty could be worth a 1st at the TDL.  Over the past 3 seasons he has 154pts in 157 games. 

They can certainly find a team that will take his full contract without retention or forcing them to take cap back.  A team like Detroit is over 14M from the floor.  Anaheim is 18M from the floor.  Yzerman wants to be more competitive and he would help them stay in games and he can then be traded at the TDL for assets to further their rebuild.

 

[bigbadcanucks]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Vegas would be looking to clear cap space, so they wouldn't want Pearson.

 

I'd do that 4th round pick alone and take back Pacioretty in full to get Hague.  As long as we can clear some cap space of our own and the Miller trade happens.  If we are not in a playoff hunt at the deadline we can flip Pacioretty with retention for a 2023 pick.

 

If Miller does get traded we have to be realistic and understand that trading your best player means you will be taking a step back.  I know Allvin says he doesn't want to do that but what exactly does he expect if you trade out 100 points from your lineup?

You would need to produce at a level that is commensurate with the big contract you signed last fall.  So instead of the measly 68 points you provided, you'd have to deliver 120 points.  That would be a good start.  Do you think you got it in you to be a superstar in the NHL?

[N7Nucks]

They have 2 teams from the East "seriously interested" and we have proposals throwing em junk. Classic. If they trade within division it'll be for more than what an Eastern team is offering. Not for our junk.

[Elias Pettersson]

14 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:

You would need to produce at a level that is commensurate with the big contract you signed last fall.  So instead of the measly 68 points you provided, you'd have to deliver 120 points.  That would be a good start.  Do you think you got it in you to be a superstar in the NHL?

 

[Provost]

6 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

They have 2 teams from the East "seriously interested" and we have proposals throwing em junk. Classic. If they trade within division it'll be for more than what an Eastern team is offering. Not for our junk.

 

Nothing in that tweet indicates the type of return any other teams are willing to give up to get a Vegas out of a self imposed cap crunch… so not sure why your panties are in a knot.

 

Teams can be “seriously interested” in taking on Ferland’s contract if they get a big enough sweetener.

 

We were “seriously interested” in acquiring Schmidt for a 3rd round pick.  Most teams weren’t even willing to take him on at full cap hit.

[mll]

1 minute ago, Provost said:

 

Nothing in that tweet indicates the type of return any other teams are willing to give up to get a Vegas out of a self imposed cap crunch… so not sure why your panties are in a knot.

 

Teams can be “seriously interested” in taking on Ferland’s contract if they get a big enough sweetener.

 

We were “seriously interested” in acquiring Schmidt for a 3rd round pick.  Most teams weren’t even willing to take him on at full cap hit.

 

Hague is an RFA.  They can simply not qualify him and he becomes a UFA.  This is not a trade to off-load cap.

[iinatcc]

2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Pacioretty (25% retained)

Hague

 

For 

 

Pearson

4th round pick

Don't know if this is serious but  a team with cap problems isn't going to want to retain Pacioretty's salary while getting Pearson (which isn't also that great of a contract) and a 4th in return. 

[rekker]

20 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Hague is an RFA.  They can simply not qualify him and he becomes a UFA.  This is not a trade to off-load cap.

I believe Hague is in danger of being an offer sheet candidate? Either way, Canucks should be all over this. Perfect fit for us. 

[Devron]

Sign me up! Finally a rumour that I really dig! 

[D-Money]

Hoglander for Hague could be a good fit for both sides.

 

…Come to think of it, if we can move some cap elsewhere, Hoglander and Rathbone for Hague and Roy might be a good starting point for both sides. Solves a lot of their cap issues, and is a huge step forward for our team where we need it.

Edited June 26, 2022 by D-Money

[aGENT]

12 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Hoglander for Hague could be a good fit for both sides.

 

…Come to think of it, if we can move some cap elsewhere, Hoglander and Rathbone for Hague and Roy might be a good starting point for both sides. Solves a lot of their cap issues, and is a huge step forward for our team where we need it.

Honestly don't think we'd need to pay that much given their cap issues, threat of offer sheets etc. 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, mll said:

 

Hague is an RFA.  They can simply not qualify him and he becomes a UFA.  This is not a trade to off-load cap.

they could but why lose him for nothing? Canucks should offer a 2024 2nd and Aidan McDonough for Roy and Hague. 

[D-Money]

51 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Honestly don't think we'd need to pay that much given their cap issues, threat of offer sheets etc. 

IMO, Hague & Roy are a significant upgrade on Rathbone and Hoglander. And if the latter take a step forward, they may not be much cheaper than the former either in another year.

 

There will be 31 teams hoping to steal players for next to nothing. But we might get an advantage over other teams if we offer even a remotely fair deal.

[aGENT]

31 minutes ago, D-Money said:

IMO, Hague & Roy are a significant upgrade on Rathbone and Hoglander. And if the latter take a step forward, they may not be much cheaper than the former either in another year.

 

There will be 31 teams hoping to steal players for next to nothing. But we might get an advantage over other teams if we offer even a remotely fair deal.

But we've seen this play out already. Teams in Vegas situation simply don't get "fair" value. Can we offer them complete junk? No. Will we be competing with other teams? Yes. But those teams will be competing to pay Vegas as little as possible. IMO even one of Hoglander/Rathbone is plenty in that situation.

[JM_]

26 minutes ago, aGENT said:

But we've seen this play out already. Teams in Vegas situation simply don't get "fair" value. Can we offer them complete junk? No. Will we be competing with other teams? Yes. But those teams will be competing to pay Vegas as little as possible. IMO even one of Hoglander/Rathbone is plenty in that situation.

maybe but its also good to make deals that work, vs. trying to get too cute and missing out on a good upgrade. I'd be very happy for a Rathbone + Hogs for Roy and Hague deal.

[aGENT]

13 minutes ago, JM_ said:

maybe but its also good to make deals that work, vs. trying to get too cute and missing out on a good upgrade. I'd be very happy for a Rathbone + Hogs for Roy and Hague deal.

Management will have a far better feel for how much is/isn't "too cute", than any of us. I suspect it won't be close to "Rathbone + Hoglander" though.

 

Would LOVE to land both Roy and Hague though.