Eddie Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 sleepy Jim misses another one Sorry i've been drinking .. heavily lol - seems this was always gonna happen, wonder how this is gonna play out for the grandpa club at the pens - likely they would have been better selling off the aging stars and trying to out tank the hawks but time will tell - could be a few long rough years for pens fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) Nvm Edited July 13, 2022 by 48MPHSlapShot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Who could we trade Pittsburgh for Marcus Pettersson? I think management is on a mission to have a team fully populated by players with the same name.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DeNiro said: That wouldn’t clear any cap for them though, it would actually add cap. We would have to take someone like Zucker back in a trade from them for that to work. Maybe throw in Poulin as a sweetener? Have to be like a weird package: hoglander, pearson and poolman for zucker and Marino They get upside with hoglander plus more cap flex and pearson and hoglander are easier pieces to flip than a zucker We get upside with Marino and potentially zucker has a bounce back year since he hasn’t fit in there Zucker best years were with boudreau in nunny I believe. Zucker is awful with malkin. Zucker value is at an all time low and I think he has little to no term on his deal? pearson gives them an actual player who could work out as a depth vet winger for a team expecting to push playoffs. I know it doesn’t help our cap crunch. i think zucker just has t been a fit in the locker room or with malkin. (kinda long post evolved as I typed on my phone changed the package) 5.5 million zucker 4.4 million Marino total: 9.9 million 4.9 million Garland 2.5 million poolman total: 7.4 million doesn’t help our cap crunch but if trade miller hopefully we get that cap flex we need and zucker contract ends next season. Maybe he appreciates us trading for him and giving him an opportunity to show his worth and loves what we all about and signs a team friendly extension after… wait who am I kidding! anyways if they’d do that deal I’d do it. he also plays with a lot of heart. Zucker-EP40-Boeser Kuzmenko-Horvat-Podkolzin Pearson-Necas-Hoglander Mamin-White-Lazar OEL-Myers Hughes-Marino Rathbone-Schenn-Dermott (however this plays out) Demko Martin would this be awful? Edited July 13, 2022 by R3aL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Burkie was talking big and ended up eating his words. He would’ve been hung by his toenails for letting Gino get away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: They haven’t improved, only held on to aging vets. True but those vets deserve to be kept together and given what the franchise can add. Then they can suffer for some years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, R3aL said: Have to be like a weird package: hoglander, pearson and poolman for zucker and Marino They get upside with hoglander plus more cap flex and pearson and hoglander are easier pieces to flip than a zucker We get upside with Marino and potentially zucker has a bounce back year since he hasn’t fit in there Zucker best years were with boudreau in nunny I believe. Zucker is awful with malkin. Zucker value is at an all time low and I think he has little to no term on his deal? pearson gives them an actual player who could work out as a depth vet winger for a team expecting to push playoffs. I know it doesn’t help our cap crunch. i think zucker just has t been a fit in the locker room or with malkin. (kinda long post evolved as I typed on my phone changed the package) 5.5 million zucker 4.4 million Marino total: 9.9 million 4.9 million Garland 2.5 million poolman total: 7.4 million doesn’t help our cap crunch but if trade miller hopefully we get that cap flex we need and zucker contract ends next season. Maybe he appreciates us trading for him and giving him an opportunity to show his worth and loves what we all about and signs a team friendly extension after… wait who am I kidding! anyways if they’d do that deal I’d do it. he also plays with a lot of heart. Zucker-EP40-Boeser Kuzmenko-Horvat-Podkolzin Pearson-Necas-Hoglander Mamin-White-Lazar OEL-Myers Hughes-Marino Rathbone-Schenn-Dermott (however this plays out) Demko Martin would this be awful? That's an intriguing idea. I hate giving up on Hoglander so early, and Pearson is a solid player, but your proposal simultaneously gets us our RD and gets us out of that Poolmam contract. Zucker is up after this season so I'm not too worried about that. No idea how the Pens would feel about it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 55 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wow. Guess that takes the Pens out of the market for Miller. 4 years is a bit much term for a player of his age imo, but the cap is is friendly. Not sure it does. Miller is a LW as well as center, so they could throw him on the wing of either Crosby or Malkin and get really good results. Signing Malkin and Letang for the type of contracts that they did tells me that they think they can squeeze one more cup out of them before they go into a rebuild again. Question would be, who would get a deal done for us? Marino, Kapanen and a 2nd 2023, 3rd, 2024? Is that enough or do we need another piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Pens were never really a suitor. Marino is not enough in a Miller trade. Didn’t like the other pieces proposed. Agreed. The suggested Pit pkg's never moved the needle much for me whatsoever despite the vociferous views from many here that Marino is 'Tanev-like'. Miller is arguably one of the top 3 or 4 power forwards in the entire league. He's elite and can be a game-breaker. As such, in my view, we need a young blue-chip prospect and/or a young roster player ready to break out into elite territory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, R3aL said: Have to be like a weird package: hoglander, pearson and poolman for zucker and Marino They get upside with hoglander plus more cap flex and pearson and hoglander are easier pieces to flip than a zucker We get upside with Marino and potentially zucker has a bounce back year since he hasn’t fit in there Zucker best years were with boudreau in nunny I believe. Zucker is awful with malkin. Zucker value is at an all time low and I think he has little to no term on his deal? pearson gives them an actual player who could work out as a depth vet winger for a team expecting to push playoffs. I know it doesn’t help our cap crunch. i think zucker just has t been a fit in the locker room or with malkin. (kinda long post evolved as I typed on my phone changed the package) 5.5 million zucker 4.4 million Marino total: 9.9 million 4.9 million Garland 2.5 million poolman total: 7.4 million doesn’t help our cap crunch but if trade miller hopefully we get that cap flex we need and zucker contract ends next season. Maybe he appreciates us trading for him and giving him an opportunity to show his worth and loves what we all about and signs a team friendly extension after… wait who am I kidding! anyways if they’d do that deal I’d do it. he also plays with a lot of heart. Zucker-EP40-Boeser Kuzmenko-Horvat-Podkolzin Pearson-Necas-Hoglander Mamin-White-Lazar OEL-Myers Hughes-Marino Rathbone-Schenn-Dermott (however this plays out) Demko Martin would this be awful? Considering Poolman was struggling with recurring concussion like symptoms during the season, which kept him on IR through the end of the season, I don't believe that we could trade him right now. Not till we see if he's got a doctors all clear to resume playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Read a good post on a Pens message board: “Maybe it’s time to lay off Ron Hextall a bit. Just signed Letang, Malkin, Rakell and Rust for a combined $22.3 million annually. Way less than anyone could have projected.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, RWJC said: Read a good post on a Pens message board: “Maybe it’s time to lay off Ron Hextall a bit. Just signed Letang, Malkin, Rakell and Rust for a combined $22.3 million annually. Way less than anyone could have projected.” I'd agree with that. Realistically, the Penguins don't care about term. This is about riding out their window with Crosby and then tanking hard when he hangs them up. Extra years to get the cap down are the right strategy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, R3aL said: Have to be like a weird package: hoglander, pearson and poolman for zucker and Marino They get upside with hoglander plus more cap flex and pearson and hoglander are easier pieces to flip than a zucker We get upside with Marino and potentially zucker has a bounce back year since he hasn’t fit in there Zucker best years were with boudreau in nunny I believe. Zucker is awful with malkin. Zucker value is at an all time low and I think he has little to no term on his deal? pearson gives them an actual player who could work out as a depth vet winger for a team expecting to push playoffs. I know it doesn’t help our cap crunch. i think zucker just has t been a fit in the locker room or with malkin. (kinda long post evolved as I typed on my phone changed the package) 5.5 million zucker 4.4 million Marino total: 9.9 million 4.9 million Garland 2.5 million poolman total: 7.4 million doesn’t help our cap crunch but if trade miller hopefully we get that cap flex we need and zucker contract ends next season. Maybe he appreciates us trading for him and giving him an opportunity to show his worth and loves what we all about and signs a team friendly extension after… wait who am I kidding! anyways if they’d do that deal I’d do it. he also plays with a lot of heart. Zucker-EP40-Boeser Kuzmenko-Horvat-Podkolzin Pearson-Necas-Hoglander Mamin-White-Lazar OEL-Myers Hughes-Marino Rathbone-Schenn-Dermott (however this plays out) Demko Martin would this be awful? Dude, youre spending too much time making up fantasy lines that make zero sense. Zucker is useless, and ppl are overating marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Garland in a straight up hockey trade? 52 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I think they’d be looking to save more than that. Probably wanna move out at least 3 mil. Garland + Dermott for Marino + Kapanen...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: Garland + Dermott for Marino + Kapanen...? Kapanen isn’t signed so that doesn’t help their current cap situation. That actually adds like 2 mil to their cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: That's an intriguing idea. I hate giving up on Hoglander so early, and Pearson is a solid player, but your proposal simultaneously gets us our RD and gets us out of that Poolmam contract. Zucker is up after this season so I'm not too worried about that. No idea how the Pens would feel about it though. My heads all over the place lol need some chips to start falling tomorrow I’m going crazy with what ifs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Big Malkin says he will tolerate the chump change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: Age doesnt matter as much when youre the type of athlete gino is. He will still be elite for another 3 years at least 1 hour ago, Locke Lamora said: Another potential landing spot for Miller off the board. I hope the Rangers are sweating. NYI as well. Little Johnny likely going to the Devils…if Twitter randos can be believed. Sorry guys but I am going to be a contrarian. 1. FIrst, Malkin has been a great player for the Pens and I can understand why a lot of people, especially Pens fans. think it is "right" for Malkin to finish his career with the Pens. 2. But, age catches up with everyone. No exceptions. not even Wayne Gretzky. Age has two big effects on hockey players, One effect is declining underlying skills. The other effect is increasingly likelihood of injury. Malkin has already had a lot of injury problem -- enough to make his new contract a likely problem. As for underlying skills I just looked the numbers in Natural Stat Trick for even strength expected goal for percentage for all players who played at least 400 minutes. He ranked 108th our of 641 -- so easily in the top 20%. That makes him a good top 6 forward but a long, long way behind the top players in the league. That performance is okay for 6.1 million cap hit if he were not injured for half the season. But it is pretty certain to decline. Like I said, I can understand that fans will feel good about this contract but, in a pure hockey calculation, it is unlikely to be a good contract for the Pens by the 2nd year of the contract. As for taking Pitt out of the market for Miller, I don't think there has been any meaningful indication that they were ever in the market of Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Happy for them, players like this shouldn't play on random crap teams to finish their careers. There have been reports that they may want to dump Marino's cap which is very interesting. We'd have to give them someone with value but cheap. Realistically all we have there are picks, prospects, Rathbone and Hoglander. Is Rathbone for Marino straight up worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: He was NEVER going to leave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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