J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Quinn Hughes to NYI for Pulock, 2023-1st, and Pageau Elias Pettersson, Hoglander and Poolman to Arizona for Chychrun, Crouse, and 2024-1st Sign John Klingberg 7 years @ 7.25 per Sign Tyler Motte 3 years @ 1.5 per Sign Juho Lammikko 3 years @ 1.5 per Trade Pearson for a 2023-3rd Trade Dickenson plus 2025-2nd for future Considerations Trade Myers for a 2024-2nd Kuzmenko (1) Miller (8) Podkolzin (1) Big strong line, fast and intense...........hard to handle Crouse (3) Horvat (7) Boeser (7) Another big strong line, a little slower, but still a solid Mikheyev (5) Pageau (5) Garland (5) This is a fast, tenacious line, who will be able to our score their opposition Tyler Motte (1.5) Lazar (1) Lockwood (1) These 4 players are all about pressure and physical contact Lammikko (1) Chychrun (4.6) Pullock (6.1) These guys can play offense and defense, both strong skaters, with a physical element OEL (7.3) Klingburg (7.25) These grizzly old veterans, still have lots in the tank, and offensively compare to any pairing in the league Dermott (1.5) Schenn (1) Pairings 3/4 inter change, until some comes out of the pack, aggressive and defensive Rathbone (1) Burroughs (1) Rathbone has the potential to become OEL's replacement, sooner than later, can you imagine Demko (5) This is the best contract on the Canucks (Thank you JB) Top 5 goalie in the league...under paid! Martin (1) I hope he can hold it together until Silvos is ready! Another steal, and could be a trading chip down the line. Total Cap.............81.25 million (rounded up) (probably closer to 80.00 million) 2023 Draft 2024 Draft Prospects (Loose rankings-Silvos out of place) NYI 2023-1st Arizona 2024-1st #1 Lekkerimaki RW...................Offensive RW, ready in 2 years Vancouver 2023-1st Vancouver 2024-1st #2 Klimovich RW.......................2/3 RW, still needs to develop, has potential Vancouver 2023-2nd Myers 2024-2nd #3 Karlson C.............................Good snipper, slow a foot Pearson 2023-3rd Vancouver 2024-2nd #4 McDonough RW...................Good snipper Vancouver 2023-3rd Vancouver 2024-3rd #5 E. Pettersson LHD...............Has potential NYRangers 2023-4th Vancouver 2024-4th #6 Woo RHD............................Needs to pick it up Vancouver 2023-4th Vancouver 2024-5th #7 Silvos G...............................Goalie of the future ???? Vancouver 2023-5th Vancouver 2024-6th #8 Jurmo LHD..........................Needs time in the SHL, undetermined Vancouver 2023-6th Vancouver 2024-7th #9 Myenburg RHD....................Shows good in a lesser league, undetermined #10. Truscott LHD......................Long, Long, Long shot *Note Boeser to be traded in 3 years Lekkerimakki scheduled to replace for picks and prospects Garland to be traded in 2 years Klimovich scheduled to replace for picks and prospects NYI does this to build with new talent............Hughes/Dobson for the next 10 years.............we might have to add Arizona does this for cap and talent...............Pettersson for the next 10 years...............I don't think we need to add, but maybe Vancouver does this because, we are close, Miller is our best player not named Demko, who is on a killer contract right now. This puts us top 25% of the league, with a full 3 years before anything big needs to happen, and then we will have prospects to start filling in. Edited* Forgot Myers trade Edited July 18, 2022 by J.I.A.H.N 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post hammertime Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 I'll give you full cred where it's due at least it's imaginative. Now slap yourself until these thoughts pass. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I do like the 3rd line I wonder if there were a less outlandish way to snag Pageau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, hammertime said: I'll give you full cred where it's due at least it's imaginative. Now slap yourself until these thoughts pass. Ok HAMMER..I slapped myself, but how does that lineup compare with other top teams? I think pretty good, and it got bigger. Here is why I think we should do it............... #1 Demko's good contract is has 4 years at $5 million, then it goes up, up, up! #2 Its Miller's best years for the next 4 or 5 #3 It's Horvat's best years for the next 5 or 6 #4. It makes us a much heavier team #5. It makes us a faster team #6. Pettersson bridge contract is up in 2 years, if he get's better we pay big big big, if he does not get better, we don't become a contender after we loose Miller #7. We get 2 much earlier 1st's from NYI and Arizona, which will go along way to filling in for the aging players. which is why I showed the draft picks #8 It utilizes OEL while he is young, and we do with Klingberg as well. (That line would be as good as any top offensive pairing in the league) #9. It puts 2 very good 2 way Dmen together in Pulock and Chychrun (Again a very solid 1/2 pairing #10. It gives us better PK and better Even strength #11. Our 3rd line is fast and offensive, and our 4th line would be a pain in the A$$ #13. We would have 5 Dmen that can all play PP, and that does not include Dermott Note.........Neither Hughes or Pettersson have shown to be elite 2 way players, nor are they at the top of their positions..........each being probably around #10 in each they are certainly not franchise players as I see them............. #13. So what if we drafted them....so what! If we can become better and use all players now, that is what we should do! No Offense! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said: #13. So what if we drafted them....so what! If we can become better and use all players now, that is what we should do! This kind of thinking would have had us trading the Sedins in 03/04 for a last hurrah with the wce. Maybe it would have worked I dunno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, hammertime said: This kind of thinking would have had us trading the Sedins in 03/04 for a last hurrah with the wce. Maybe it would have worked I dunno? Well, none of players we currently have would be considered top 10 players in their position except Demko.........I do not see us as complete in 5 years from now, if we run our course, as we currently are. Then if you look at the other top 4 teams, maybe top 6, you see they all have #1's and #2's in their line up.and I do not mean where they are drafted, but where theier top players would be ranked by position amongst the entire league. Furthermore, they all have tremendous depth.........something I think I address This is all just pie in the sky, but IMO, that line up, with cap space, and top players signed, is a bloody good one, and much better than what we have now, with additional picks added for the future............. This gives Bruce there it is, his best chance of winning for the next 4 years................... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Sign Tyler Motte 3 years @ 1.5 per Great proposal Jan! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 7 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Well, none of players we currently have would be considered top 10 players in their position except Demko.........I do not see us as complete in 5 years from now, if we run our course, as we currently are. Then if you look at the other top 4 teams, maybe top 6, you see they all have #1's and #2's in their line up.and I do not mean where they are drafted, but where theier top players would be ranked by position amongst the entire league. Furthermore, they all have tremendous depth.........something I think I address This is all just pie in the sky, but IMO, that line up, with cap space, and top players signed, is a bloody good one, and much better than what we have now, with additional picks added for the future............. This gives Bruce there it is, his best chance of winning for the next 4 years................... some creative ideas, J. But not sure I can agree that we don't have any top 10 skaters. Why do you think Petey, Hughes or Miller can't hit top 10 numbers? Also, why is it necessary? did LA's cup teams have stacked #1 and #2 players on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, JM_ said: some creative ideas, J. But not sure I can agree that we don't have any top 10 skaters. Why do you think Petey, Hughes or Miller can't hit top 10 numbers? Well, we will not be keeping Miller as it is now, so we really can not even include him. As he will not be here, unless something big happens. Hughes is a top 10 Dman, but over all he is not. Pettersson has a long way to go to get anywhere even close.........here is hoping! 14 hours ago, JM_ said: Also, why is it necessary? did LA's cup teams have stacked #1 and #2 players on it? The are albino black bears too..............I believe in planning and building, not one off's Edited July 19, 2022 by J.I.A.H.N 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 You may be able to get Klinberg at that but that is all I see that is realistic. The Lammiko contract is absolutely insane. If we could get a second for Myers or Dickinson it would have happened a long time ago. If anything Pearson is the better player on the better contract but he gets less in a trade? You don’t think Q is a top 10 defender in the league? I don’t buy any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Well, we will not be keeping Miller as it is now, so we really can not even include him. As he will not be here, unless something big happens. Hughes is a top 10 Dman, but over all he is not. Pettersson has a long way to go to get anywhere even close.........here is hoping! The are albino black bears too..............I believe in planning and building, noy one off's say JR could keep the current F group together, how is that a 'one off'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JM_ said: say JR could keep the current F group together, how is that a 'one off'? Fair enough, but how do we shore up the defense to make it a contender? We are already over Cap, and we suffer with no high end RHD. How do we get that RHD and how do we pay for him? And that is with keeping Myers or not, where we would need 2 And with what assets? Edited July 18, 2022 by J.I.A.H.N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Fair enough, but how do we shore up the defense to make it a contender? We are already over Cap, and we suffer with no high end RHD. How do we get that RHD and how do we pay for him? And that is with keeping Myers or not, where we would need 2 And with what assets? By moving Myers next year. Once his bonus is paid he's only due 1 mil, a cheap owners dream. No dead cap next year either. We now have a deep F group and top goalie. Average d but we should be able to move Myers once his bonus is paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I wouldn't want to pay to lose Dickinson, send him to Abby. Plus I want to see Joshua hitting on the 4th line. Klinberg and OEL are very similar and seems a sideways move. I think NJ would probably pay more for Huggy, and have a lot more pieces. EP, I'd rather see traded to a contender. It's a casino approach J.I.A.H.N. and seems way to risky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 1:58 AM, J.I.A.H.N said: Ok HAMMER..I slapped myself, but how does that lineup compare with other top teams? I think pretty good, and it got bigger. Here is why I think we should do it............... #1 Demko's good contract is has 4 years at $5 million, then it goes up, up, up! #2 Its Miller's best years for the next 4 or 5 #3 It's Horvat's best years for the next 5 or 6 #4. It makes us a much heavier team #5. It makes us a faster team #6. Pettersson bridge contract is up in 2 years, if he get's better we pay big big big, if he does not get better, we don't become a contender after we loose Miller #7. We get 2 much earlier 1st's from NYI and Arizona, which will go along way to filling in for the aging players. which is why I showed the draft picks #8 It utilizes OEL while he is young, and we do with Klingberg as well. (That line would be as good as any top offensive pairing in the league) #9. It puts 2 very good 2 way Dmen together in Pulock and Chychrun (Again a very solid 1/2 pairing #10. It gives us better PK and better Even strength #11. Our 3rd line is fast and offensive, and our 4th line would be a pain in the A$$ #13. We would have 5 Dmen that can all play PP, and that does not include Dermott Note.........Neither Hughes or Pettersson have shown to be elite 2 way players, nor are they at the top of their positions..........each being probably around #10 in each they are certainly not franchise players as I see them............. #13. So what if we drafted them....so what! If we can become better and use all players now, that is what we should do! No Offense! Only thing is, this is such a drastic change, i feel that next year will be a wash. Like Seattle, almost, starting with a new team (yet again!). Our teams already gone through enough change the past 8 years, hasn't it? Cost JB and Green their jobs last season. But agree on paper it looks pretty good. It solves our pool issues. Which i like. But i'm not sure that D is any better really. Pullock vs Myers ... modest at best improvement, but it gives us some certainty anyways. QHs vs Chychrun .. well that's obvious enough we lose there. Klingburger is another anchor like OEL just on the right side but that line could be interesting ... Where is EP though? Ugh. Back to the drawing board for me at least. But maybe your right! A lot of moving parts but thanks for keeping Miller - at least it's not one of those trades lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 2:37 PM, JM_ said: By moving Myers next year. Once his bonus is paid he's only due 1 mil, a cheap owners dream. No dead cap next year either. We now have a deep F group and top goalie. Average d but we should be able to move Myers once his bonus is paid. Personally believe we could move Myers at this TDL too. Not sure we should either. There is a spot for him on this team as well once his current deal is up. Like Edler, he could sign for half the price and become a safety net if the guys above him (and hopefully we actually have one by then lol) goes down. Myers had played against the best hockey players in the world for us since arriving and done a decent job. This team does need a Tanev badly. Wonder if CAL would trade him to us if Mathew T is on his way out? That team is about to go into rebuild mode. Doing their best OTT impression as in imploding. Normally divisional rivals wouldn't do this sort of thing - but it's for sure something i'd be kicking tires on hard if i was Allvin. Back to Myers. Simply can't see them trading him without someone already in place as in a UFA (please not Klingberg!). Acquiring a RHD via free agency is a very very tough thing. The fact we even got Myers in the first place was a minor miracle, it was him and LHD Jake Gardiner, the goat whipping TO boy, whom were the best D's available his year. Alex P and Hamiltons only come around every blue moon. As in hardly ever. They are treasures really. JB did his best but screwed up with Schmidt ... a lot of D's play both sides ... maybe it's time QHs gives it a shot and we go after another LHD instead. Much easier to do, and won't overpay as much either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Personally believe we could move Myers at this TDL too. Not sure we should either. There is a spot for him on this team as well once his current deal is up. Like Edler, he could sign for half the price and become a safety net if the guys above him (and hopefully we actually have one by then lol) goes down. Myers had played against the best hockey players in the world for us since arriving and done a decent job. This team does need a Tanev badly. Wonder if CAL would trade him to us if Mathew T is on his way out? That team is about to go into rebuild mode. Doing their best OTT impression as in imploding. Normally divisional rivals wouldn't do this sort of thing - but it's for sure something i'd be kicking tires on hard if i was Allvin. Back to Myers. Simply can't see them trading him without someone already in place as in a UFA (please not Klingberg!). Acquiring a RHD via free agency is a very very tough thing. The fact we even got Myers in the first place was a minor miracle, it was him and LHD Jake Gardiner, the goat whipping TO boy, whom were the best D's available his year. Alex P and Hamiltons only come around every blue moon. As in hardly ever. They are treasures really. JB did his best but screwed up with Schmidt ... a lot of D's play both sides ... maybe it's time QHs gives it a shot and we go after another LHD instead. Much easier to do, and won't overpay as much either. good points for sure. My main point was more about paths to make cap space if thats the way mgmt wants to go. But yes, who's taking the minutes if Myers is moved? it does show how hard it is to make moves like this for RHD which is why I've always felt we're going to have to draft one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, JM_ said: good points for sure. My main point was more about paths to make cap space if thats the way mgmt wants to go. But yes, who's taking the minutes if Myers is moved? it does show how hard it is to make moves like this for RHD which is why I've always felt we're going to have to draft one. Hard to draft a RHD (who has top four upside) when the Puck Sucking GM trades away most of his high draft picks. And then with his one top five pick (where he selects a D) he chooses a guy who is a BIG BUSTAROO. Benning is why we have no RHD, and we cannot go for it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hard to draft a RHD (who has top four upside) when the Puck Sucking GM trades away most of his high draft picks. And then with his one top five pick (where he selects a D) he chooses a guy who is a BIG BUSTAROO. Benning is why we have no RHD, and we cannot go for it now. yep it is. I don't believe we will see our picks burned like this anymore. It sound like a 2nd and Rathbone may have got us Marino but that was too high a price for our new GM. We just have to get over Benning and other past failures. Its funny to see what the outcome of the Tkatpuke saga is, 100% he does this to us too, probably on his 1st RFA deal too if it was us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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