[Proposal] VAN and CHI

[BigTramFan]

CHI are tanking pretty hard right now. Seems likely they will trade Toews and Kane as rentals next TDL. They have lots of cap space and are looking to stockpile picks, get younger and retool.

 

The focus of this trade for CHI is to get a pick plus a great young player signed in the long term, who could still be there at the end of their rebuild, or could alternatively be traded for more picks.

 

The focus of this trade for VAN is to use some of our winger depth to secure a big top 4 defensive-minded Dman signed to a reasonable contract, who can play alongside QH for the next few years.

 

The proposal is:

 

To CHI: Garland + Poolman + 2023 3rd round pick

To VAN: Connor Murphy

 

Note: Murphy is 6'4", 212 lbs, 29 years old, signed for $4.4m x 4 years. He has a 10-team no trade list. My hope is that he would be keen to leave CHI to avoid the rebuild. He knows OEL well from their days in ARI.

 

Thoughts?

 

(I don't know if the value is right. I am thinking Garland and Murphy have similar trade value. The 3rd is for taking on Poolman...)

[Alflives]

Sounds great!

Get ‘er done JR! 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

CHI are tanking pretty hard right now. Seems likely they will trade Toews and Kane as rentals next TDL. They have lots of cap space and are looking to stockpile picks, get younger and retool.

 

The focus of this trade for CHI is to get a pick plus a great young player signed in the long term, who could still be there at the end of their rebuild, or could alternatively be traded for more picks.

 

The focus of this trade for VAN is to use some of our winger depth to secure a big top 4 defensive-minded Dman signed to a reasonable contract, who can play alongside QH for the next few years.

 

The proposal is:

 

To CHI: Garland + Poolman + 2023 3rd round pick

To VAN: Connor Murphy

 

Note: Murphy is 6'4", 212 lbs, 29 years old, signed for $4.4m x 4 years. He has a 10-team no trade list. My hope is that he would be keen to leave CHI to avoid the rebuild. He knows OEL well from their days in ARI.

 

Thoughts?

 

(I don't know if the value is right. I am thinking Garland and Murphy have similar trade value. The 3rd is for taking on Poolman...)

I like this one. I don't know if CHI would be interested but this works for our needs. 

[kloubek]

As much as I'm not *whatsoever* on the "Trade Garland" train, I like your target. If that's what it takes to improve our D, then sacrificing some of our forward depth is the likely place to do it. I'm telling you all though, we are a better team Garland on it than not. Don't be blinded by his small size - he mitigates it well, and is one of the reasons our 5 on 5 play went from one of the worst in the league a couple of years ago to acceptable levels this past season. And if one looks at his salary, it's reasonable for what he brings.

But in your proposal, we move out some dead cap at the same time, which is the other objective for this team besides improving the D. It's probably the kind of move that the Hawks would go for, although I wonder if it was adjusted to be purely a cap dump if it would suit both teams even better:

Dickinson, Poolman, Zlodeyev, Woo, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd. Is this realistic? 

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Connor Murphy would be an absolutely perfect partner for Quinn Hughes, they'd potentially make an elite 2-way pairing. I agree with you, he'd probably waive his NTC to get out of that currently crumbling/toxic franchise through his prime - don't know enough about him to know if he'd play in Canada. I also think Davidson would take the right deal for any player rn.

 

There's no chance Chicago does this deal though. GMKD traded away good players with high ceilings and RFA retention rights (Hagel, DeBrincat) who are younger and better than Garland.

 

Unfortunately Allvin also doesn't have the futures to acquire Murphy and dump the appropriate cap space. I'm guessing a fair swap would look more like if it included the cap dump:

 

To Vancouver: Connor Murphy

 

To Chicago: 1st rounder 2023,  2nd rounder 2024, 4th round pick 2023, Jason Dickinson

 

That's not a price that Allvin can afford right now, especially with the growing consensus that 2023 will be a deep draft. As much as Murphy would improve the team, I don't think the Canucks have the appropriate assets unless it's somehow part of a 3-way deal that involves that JT Miller and no further camp dumps that needed sweeteners, i.e.

 

To Vancouver: Connor Murphy, Vitali Kravtsov, NYR 1st round pick 2024

 

To New York Rangers: JT Miller

 

To Chicago: NYR 2nd round pick 2023, Vancouver 2nd rounder 2024, NYR 3rd rounder 2023 from Avs

 

3-ways of this size are incredibly rare though, so I don't think we really have a fit here.

 

Another consideration is Murphy's injury history. I'm not against a 29 year old RHD whose locked up, but Murphy may slow down faster than some due to his extensive injury history. Another risk Allvin may not be willing to take depending which other candidates are available.

[VegasCanuck]

5 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

CHI are tanking pretty hard right now. Seems likely they will trade Toews and Kane as rentals next TDL. They have lots of cap space and are looking to stockpile picks, get younger and retool.

 

The focus of this trade for CHI is to get a pick plus a great young player signed in the long term, who could still be there at the end of their rebuild, or could alternatively be traded for more picks.

 

The focus of this trade for VAN is to use some of our winger depth to secure a big top 4 defensive-minded Dman signed to a reasonable contract, who can play alongside QH for the next few years.

 

The proposal is:

 

To CHI: Garland + Poolman + 2023 3rd round pick

To VAN: Connor Murphy

 

Note: Murphy is 6'4", 212 lbs, 29 years old, signed for $4.4m x 4 years. He has a 10-team no trade list. My hope is that he would be keen to leave CHI to avoid the rebuild. He knows OEL well from their days in ARI.

 

Thoughts?

 

(I don't know if the value is right. I am thinking Garland and Murphy have similar trade value. The 3rd is for taking on Poolman...)

At the moment, we don't know if Poolman will be resuming his career, or staying on LTIR. We can't trade him until we know if we are trading a functioning player or someone who will sit on LTIR for the remainder of their contract.

 

It's obvious that we need to make moves to free up some space. It's only a matter of time until something gets done.

[Bobby James]

Didn't think about Murphy, but seems like a good fit. 

 

Chicago is clearly rebuilding, so maybe Garland isn't the type of player they want. I think draft picks would be the best fit. Would this deal interest anyone: 

 

To Van: 

Murphy

 

To Chi:

1st round pick

3rd round pick

Tucker Poolman

 

Yup we give up a 1st and that is rough, we'll miss out on a deep draft potentially. But we get a big RHD back who is at an okay age and signed for a bit more time at a good contract. We also get to shed a little cap by moving Poolman (or Dickinson if they prefer). 

 

A note about my proposal though, I don't know much about Murphy so for context this is a proposal based on him being a very solid top 4 RHD (better than Meyers). 

[BigTramFan]

2 hours ago, Bobby James said:

Didn't think about Murphy, but seems like a good fit. 

 

Chicago is clearly rebuilding, so maybe Garland isn't the type of player they want. I think draft picks would be the best fit. Would this deal interest anyone: 

 

To Van: 

Murphy

 

To Chi:

1st round pick

3rd round pick

Tucker Poolman

 

Yup we give up a 1st and that is rough, we'll miss out on a deep draft potentially. But we get a big RHD back who is at an okay age and signed for a bit more time at a good contract. We also get to shed a little cap by moving Poolman (or Dickinson if they prefer). 

 

A note about my proposal though, I don't know much about Murphy so for context this is a proposal based on him being a very solid top 4 RHD (better than Meyers). 

No I don't think we should be trading the 1st.

 

7 hours ago, Ilya Mikheyev said:

Connor Murphy would be an absolutely perfect partner for Quinn Hughes, they'd potentially make an elite 2-way pairing. I agree with you, he'd probably waive his NTC to get out of that currently crumbling/toxic franchise through his prime - don't know enough about him to know if he'd play in Canada. I also think Davidson would take the right deal for any player rn.

 

There's no chance Chicago does this deal though. GMKD traded away good players with high ceilings and RFA retention rights (Hagel, DeBrincat) who are younger and better than Garland.

 

Unfortunately Allvin also doesn't have the futures to acquire Murphy and dump the appropriate cap space. I'm guessing a fair swap would look more like if it included the cap dump:

 

To Vancouver: Connor Murphy

 

To Chicago: 1st rounder 2023,  2nd rounder 2024, 4th round pick 2023, Jason Dickinson

 

That's not a price that Allvin can afford right now, especially with the growing consensus that 2023 will be a deep draft. As much as Murphy would improve the team, I don't think the Canucks have the appropriate assets unless it's somehow part of a 3-way deal that involves that JT Miller and no further camp dumps that needed sweeteners, i.e.

 

To Vancouver: Connor Murphy, Vitali Kravtsov, NYR 1st round pick 2024

 

To New York Rangers: JT Miller

 

To Chicago: NYR 2nd round pick 2023, Vancouver 2nd rounder 2024, NYR 3rd rounder 2023 from Avs

 

3-ways of this size are incredibly rare though, so I don't think we really have a fit here.

 

Another consideration is Murphy's injury history. I'm not against a 29 year old RHD whose locked up, but Murphy may slow down faster than some due to his extensive injury history. Another risk Allvin may not be willing to take depending which other candidates are available.

I like the idea of a 3-way deal. But can't see NYR being interested since they don't have the space to resign Miller.

 

Maybe CHI, NJD and VAN can do something like:

 

From VAN: Miller + Poolman (cap dump)

From NJD: Mercer + 2023 1st pick + Bernier (cap dump)

From CHI: Murphy

 

To VAN: Mercer + Murphy

To NJD: Miller

To CHI: 2023 1st pick (NJD), Poolman, Bernier

 

[Hairy Kneel]

Maybe a 3 way deal where a couple draft picks go to Chi and we send them Dickinson. 

And a sweetener. 

With Miller being the centre piece to NYI Rags or CBJ.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Hairy Kneel

[Alflives]

49 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Maybe a 3 way deal where a couple draft picks go to Chi and we send them Dickinson. 

And a sweetener. 

With Miller being the centre piece to NYI Rags or CBJ.

 

 

 

 

“Dickinson as sweetener”.  

[BigTramFan]

51 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Maybe a 3 way deal where a couple draft picks go to Chi and we send them Dickinson. 

And a sweetener. 

With Miller being the centre piece to NYI Rags or CBJ.

Maybe yeah. I'd prefer to move Poolman right now over Dickinson (although both gone would be good).

 

If we are trading Miller then likely the cap space pressure is lessened and Dickinson may be able to play a depth role. If he doesn't bounce back this season, then he is more tradeable with just 1 year remaining or bought out next off season (for cap hits of just $0.5m + $1.1m over the following 2 years)

[Hairy Kneel]

54 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

Maybe yeah. I'd prefer to move Poolman right now over Dickinson (although both gone would be good).

 

If we are trading Miller then likely the cap space pressure is lessened and Dickinson may be able to play a depth role. If he doesn't bounce back this season, then he is more tradeable with just 1 year remaining or bought out next off season (for cap hits of just $0.5m + $1.1m over the following 2 years)

Whatever gets us our dman.

Although Dickinson I think is going to be pushed out by a young forechecker with heart and a non stop motor. On top of that, I think we have a couple of rookies pushing for regular 4th line spots.

Bit first get us a rhd.

[Hairy Kneel]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

“Dickinson as sweetener”.  

[BigTramFan]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Whatever gets us our dman.

Although Dickinson I think is going to be pushed out by a young forechecker with heart and a non stop motor. On top of that, I think we have a couple of rookies pushing for regular 4th line spots.

Bit first get us a rhd.

Definitely agree. Happy to park Dickinson in the AHL this season.