Multiple shootings in Langley + Shooting in Whistler Village, reports of 2 dead.

[EP Phone Home]

Another Brother Keepers gang member. Just like his bro got his life taken away last April outside Carderos in coal harbour. 
 

Clearly the shooter/driver didn’t think about their escape route since you either drive north up the Duffy Lake or you drive back to the lowermainland. 

 

 

Happy they got caught but I fear this summer BK gang will  retaliate. Stay safe everyone, mind you I spend a lot of my free time up at Whistler and didn’t think this spot was susceptible to this kind of horrific scene.

Edited July 25, 2022 by EP Phone Home

[Mustard Tiger]

Respect for throwing the alerts out asap. Looking at reactions on Twitter this morning, Disgusting how many people are complaining about how it annoyed them. Can it please be possible to make social media a privilege and able to take it away from people?? That would be nice 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Respect for throwing the alerts out asap. Looking at reactions on Twitter this morning, Disgusting how many people are complaining about how it annoyed them. Can it please be possible to make social media a privilege and able to take it away from people?? That would be nice 

no kidding. If they hadn't been alerted, they'd be complaining about that instead. 

[Alflives]

22 minutes ago, Muttley said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/9013252/multiple-shootings-langley-civil-emergency-alert-text/

 

 

Suspect “known” to police.  On what level?  Why is anyone targeting the homeless people?  That’s really sick.  So is this shooter known because he’s sick in the head, and dangerous?  How does he get a gun?  

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Suspect “known” to police.  On what level?  Why is anyone targeting the homeless people?  That’s really sick.  So is this shooter known because he’s sick in the head, and dangerous?  How does he get a gun?  

It's a nice way of saying career criminal.  Most likely reason is going to be drug debt.

 

 

[fanfor42]

9 hours ago, -DLC- said:

I think you missed the point. Glorifying the lifestyle doesn't help. In music, video games, TV/entertainment....desensitization happens over time with repeatd exposure to something. Many young people are impressionable and the lifestyle is appealing in a sense that it's money and power. But mostly, just risk.

 

There have never been gangsters at this level and we're seeing these targeted shootings daily. So it isn't too far fetched to associate the rise in these activities to things kids these days are exposed to. Not the cause but definitely not helping the case.

 

 

Poverty

The justice system

The breakdown of the family

Drug abuse

Alcohol abuse

Homelessness

Greed

Mental illness

Power

Turf wars

Under policing

 

 

These reasons are absolutely causational and vastly outweigh any notion that tv, film and the internet cause crime and criminal activity. 

 

 

 

[bishopshodan]

I don't mind the bee-doo bee-doo my phone has done 3 times today.

 

However, shouldn't they fine tune the system?

 

I live on the Island. Do I need an alert at 6:20am?  Maybe they could trim it to a 100k radius?

I mean, I was driving home from the gym at that time so It really wasn't a big deal for this early riser but I thought it was strange. 

[Junkyard Dog]

27 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:

Poverty

The justice system

The breakdown of the family

Drug abuse

Alcohol abuse

Homelessness

Greed

Mental illness

Power

Turf wars

Under policing

 

 

These reasons are absolutely causational and vastly outweigh any notion that tv, film and the internet cause crime and criminal activity. 

 

 

 

 

 

[bishopshodan]

54 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:

Poverty

The justice system

The breakdown of the family

Drug abuse

Alcohol abuse

Homelessness

Greed

Mental illness

Power

Turf wars

Under policing

 

 

These reasons are absolutely causational and vastly outweigh any notion that tv, film and the internet cause crime and criminal activity. 

 

 

 

I realise your opinion and respect it. I have already clarified in this thread my ideas about the difference of showing/viewing violence or crime and the trend of glorifying the culprits and acts. However your post reminded me of another sometimes sad attribute to the modern world. 

 

Social media and ...Performance crime.

https://theconversation.com/social-media-and-crime-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-66397

 

Social media has been used to facilitate “new” crimes such as revenge porn, prompting calls for harsher punishment.

Also, the ability for criminals to use social media platforms to track potential victims (and their possessions) was highlighted in the recent Kim Kardashian robbery.

In addition, “old” crimes such as harassment and threats, as well as fraud and identity theft, have been conducted in new ways through social media.

Social media is also changing the nature of post-crime behaviour. So-called performance crimes – where offenders boast about their criminal behaviour to their friends and followers online – are increasingly common.

The bolded line in particular....I know there has been killers posting their rampages to show (influence?)  to their friends and followers. It also reminds me of the site Worldstar where they have 1000's of  street fights and beat downs. When I was a kid we never heard of the types of swarming and sucker punches we see today...then off they go to post the videos on social media. Tells me there is a connection, that there is an influence, from the again...glorification of crimes. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by bishopshodan

[fanfor42]

3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I realise your opinion and respect it. I have already clarified in this thread my ideas about the difference of showing/viewing violence or crime and the trend of glorifying the culprits and acts. However your post reminded me of another sometimes sad attribute to the modern world. 

 

Social media and ...Performance crime.

https://theconversation.com/social-media-and-crime-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-66397

 

Social media has been used to facilitate “new” crimes such as revenge porn, prompting calls for harsher punishment.

Also, the ability for criminals to use social media platforms to track potential victims (and their possessions) was highlighted in the recent Kim Kardashian robbery.

In addition, “old” crimes such as harassment and threats, as well as fraud and identity theft, have been conducted in new ways through social media.

Social media is also changing the nature of post-crime behaviour. So-called performance crimes – where offenders boast about their criminal behaviour to their friends and followers online – are increasingly common.

The bolded line in particular....I know there has been killers posting their rampages to show (influence?)  to their friends and followers. It also reminds me of the site Worldstar where they have 1000's of  street fights and beat downs. When I was a kid we fought be we never heard of the types of swarming and sucker punches we see today...then off they go to post the videos on social media. Tells me there is a connection, that there is an influence, from the again...glorification of crimes. 

Hoo boy.  Look, you posted in response to the news of the shooting in Whistler that we need to end glorifying criminals in film tv and media.  I responded that is not the leading cause by a long shot. This is now becoming a whole different discussion.

 

Yes.  The internet allows new avenues for crime. There are predators who prey on young people through the internet. Awful people.

 

That is not what we started out talking about so at this point I think I will recognize that you have tacked about 180 degrees in a different direction - and I will let you go there on your own. 

[Jaimito]

 

 

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/3-dead-including-shooting-suspect-in-hours-long-incident-in-langley-b-c-1.6000991

 

 

That man has been identified by investigators as Jordan Daniel Goggin, who police say did not live in the city but instead in neighbouring Surrey.

 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/3-dead-including-shooting-suspect-in-hours-long-incident-in-langley-b-c-1.6000991

 

 

That man has been identified by investigators as Jordan Daniel Goggin, who police say did not live in the city but instead in neighbouring Surrey.

 

I don’t get it.  This guy drives from Surrey to shoot homeless People in Langley?  Why the hell would he do that?  This has to be more than some sicko randomly shooting homeless people, doesn’t it?  Seriously how sick is it to shoot a homeless person who is asleep under a box?  Isn’t it more likely this shooter is targeting specific people, who just happen to be homeless.  

Jesus.  This one is so friggin’ horrible.  Who’s next: crippled old people?  Children?  My God!  

No more guns for people who aren’t Police, Military hunters and farmers!  Average citizens don’t need a friggin’ gun. Get caught with a friggin’ gun and go to prison FOREVER!  

[CBH1926]

5 hours ago, stawns said:

To be fair, the majority are gangland murders.......in BC at least

 

 

That might be true but it still looks bad imo.

In 2015 70% of all killings and shootings in Chicago were gang related.

Still when you say Chicago, first association in crime in minds of most people.

[bishopshodan]

26 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:

Hoo boy.  Look, you posted in response to the news of the shooting in Whistler that we need to end glorifying criminals in film tv and media.  I responded that is not the leading cause by a long shot. This is now becoming a whole different discussion.

 

Yes.  The internet allows new avenues for crime. There are predators who prey on young people through the internet. Awful people.

 

That is not what we started out talking about so at this point I think I will recognize that you have tacked about 180 degrees in a different direction - and I will let you go there on your own. 

Yep, just discussing stuff on a discussion board. I don't think it is a derail to talk about theories of influence in regards to these types of crime. 

 

I'll leave you alone now too. 

[-DLC-]

1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:

Poverty

The justice system

The breakdown of the family

Drug abuse

Alcohol abuse

Homelessness

Greed

Mental illness

Power

Turf wars

Under policing

 

 

These reasons are absolutely causational and vastly outweigh any notion that tv, film and the internet cause crime and criminal activity. 

 

 

 

A lot of the gangsters we're seeing are young and many from good (well off) families. 

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm quite sure that kids who grow up with violence around them (including entertainment wise) can become desensitized to it. Not the cause, but certainly not helping it.

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

A lot of the gangsters we're seeing are young and many from good (well off) families. 

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm quite sure that kids who grow up with violence around them (including entertainment wise) can become desensitized to it. Not the cause, but certainly not helping it.

Yup.  The American media/entertainment glorifying violence and gun culture while making police officers out to be the evil doers is sickening. And that backwards thinking is infecting young Canadian’s minds, especially males.  Hell, we have a thread on CDC that focuses on the very rare negative interactions of our wonderful Canadian police with citizens.  Our CDC is actually part of the problem allowing such threads.  It’s this American infection of making our police out to be villains while promoting a glorification of gang culture that’s definitely a cause.  We are devolving into a sick society that sees what is good as bad and what’s bad as good.  

Edited July 26, 2022 by Alflives

[MunKay]

4 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Thanks for all you and your colleagues do.  The bad apples get the publicity but I'm grateful for you guys putting your ass on the line to minimize the damage these clowns can do to the public.

 

4 hours ago, Alflives said:

Seeing the photo of the police car with multiple bullet holes in the windshield directly in line with the driver’s head shows how incredibly courages our officers are.  Our officers protect us from some very bad people.  

Definitely appreciate the kind words folks! Means a lot. 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

I don’t get it.  This guy drives from Surrey to shoot homeless People in Langley?  Why the hell would he do that?  This has to be more than some sicko randomly shooting homeless people, doesn’t it?  Seriously how sick is it to shoot a homeless person who is asleep under a box?  Isn’t it more likely this shooter is targeting specific people, who just happen to be homeless.  

Jesus.  This one is so friggin’ horrible.  Who’s next: crippled old people?  Children?  My God!  

No more guns for people who aren’t Police, Military hunters and farmers!  Average citizens don’t need a friggin’ gun. Get caught with a friggin’ gun and go to prison FOREVER!  

I don’t get it either. But as far as the Surrey aspect goes, the shootings took place between about a half mile and mile of the Surrey border, so he may have been “from the area,” even though a Surrey resident and not from Langley.

 

I’m glad my folks are currently away on a European cruise. They live in Langley and while it was terrible to hear the news today, it would have been personally much more worrisome for me had they been home.

 

Still obviously sickened by the whole thing. Just my first thought at 6am this morning (when the first alert came on my phone) was “I’m glad mom and dad aren’t home.”

[G-D-D]

cops are in a tough spot. Most ppl know who the gangsters are but, nobody will talk. The reason for this is simple to see. If you try to help bring criminal proceedings you’ll end up dead. Not enough resources to protect witnesses in a meaningful way.

 

personally I would prefer not to spend tax dollars holding these douches in cells for life. 22 bullets are cheap and efficient.

[CBH1926]

There seems to be lot of speculation about what is causing some of these shootings.

Media, glorification of violence, Americanization of Canada etc.

How about inept judicial system in Canada?

 

One of the alleged killers from Whistler has been in trouble before.

He has managed to commit three armed robberies, have a legal proceeding, get sentenced, serve time and get out to kill these two guys. All that was accomplished in little over 3 year time. I mean, I have seen hamburgers that get churned out slower than that.