hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 23 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: I really hope it does and he ends up going top 10. Not interested in him, but he may contribute to a good player sliding down to us. So nobody really has talked about Allvin's comments about moving up in the draft. My assumption was that he was going to package a 3rd and a 4th rounder to move up into the 2nd round, but now I'm thinking if Allvin perhaps has other ideas like moving up from 11th overall to 8th or 9th overall? Boeser with some dough retained?? Can't think of another reason to bench Kuzz for poor D and promote Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, hammertime said: Boeser with some dough retained?? Can't think of another reason to bench Kuzz for poor D and promote Boeser. Brock was playing how Tocchet wanted: straight lines and heavy along the walls. Kuz was jumping east west and giving up pucks along the walls. He was soft. Omhao we should trade two of: Kuz, Garland, Brock, or new Beau - whichever brings the best return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Brock was playing how Tocchet wanted: straight lines and heavy along the walls. Edited April 21 by hammertime 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Brock was playing how Tocchet wanted: straight lines and heavy along the walls. Kuz was jumping east west and giving up pucks along the walls. He was soft. Omhao we should trade two of: Kuz, Garland, Brock, or new Beau - whichever brings the best return. You don’t see players with such amazing chemistry as Petey and Kuz. Wouldn’t trade him. If Garland is worth a 2nd you trade him If Beau is worth a 1st you trade him Id keep Boeser, trade Beau and Miller and get a ready C player/prospect as part of the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, RetroCanuck said: You don’t see players with such amazing chemistry as Petey and Kuz. Wouldn’t trade him. If Garland is worth a 2nd you trade him If Beau is worth a 1st you trade him Id keep Boeser, trade Beau and Miller and get a ready C player/prospect as part of the return. Miller for Kotkaniemi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Miller for Kotkaniemi? Before Bo was traded if it was Kotka, Morrow and a 1st sure. Now it wouldn't make sense though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) Juraj Pekarcik looked good for Slovakia today. Almost set Dvorsky up for the game winner with his speed. 1:50 https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/teams/video/36748/slovakia Kid flys for his size. Excellent 2 way C/LW if he was a couple days older he'd be in next years draft really high on him with one of our 3rds. Edited April 21 by hammertime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 50 minutes ago, hammertime said: Before Bo was traded if it was Kotka, Morrow and a 1st sure. Now it wouldn't make sense though. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryElf Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, stawns said: Why not? The team is committed to winning over the next couple years, and moving a 99pt two way C for picks/prospect doesn't accomplish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, AngryElf said: The team is committed to winning over the next couple years, and moving a 99pt two way C for picks/prospect doesn't accomplish that. They know they're not competing, seriously for 3-4 years, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DudePerfect Posted April 21 Popular Post Share Posted April 21 (edited) Starting to look at final lists that have been coming up and I've noticed some trends: Dvorsky trending down -- He was initially ranked closer between 8-10, but now sits truly around the 14-16 range. Cosentino has him 16, Button has him 19, Daily Faceoff has him 15. Production has slipped a bit, and questions still linger with his ability to drive play and lack of footspeed. Oliver Moore is flying up the boards -- Not seen as strictly as a speedster anymore. Lots of sentiment that he can be an elite two way centre since he played with Eiserman and Hagens. Think he won't make it out of the top 10. ASP & Reinbacher could both go top 10 -- ASP is already turning heads at the U18's and everyone knows a good showing there will boost your stock dramatically. Reinbacher has the traits that will push him to a top 10 selection (mobility, height, RHD, production in men's league). Surprise candidates to fall: Brayden Yager, Eduard Sale, Colby Barlow. Mix of lacking in positional value (Barlow) and did not produce as well in draft years (Sale, Yager). Potential Risers: Samuel Honzek, Riley Heidt, Maxim Strbak. For the Canucks, I think realistically they will go with Honzek. 6'4 centre with smooth stride and decent hands. He's the best of the second tier centers (Honzek, Dvorsky, Danielson, Yager, Ritchie) Edited April 21 by DudePerfect 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, hammertime said: Juraj Pekarcik looked good for Slovakia today. Almost set Dvorsky up for the game winner with his speed. 1:50 https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/teams/video/36748/slovakia Kid flys for his size. Excellent 2 way C/LW if he was a couple days older he'd be in next years draft really high on him with one of our 3rds. Dvorsky leg on that shot looked wild lol he had 7 SOG was good to see him shooting lots good look for juraj though ya and for sure a potential target in the mid rounds where we have lots of picks! Im wondering if Otto Stenberg continues on with a strong tourney if he rises on draft lists. Ryan Leonard looked solid think he’s sadly for sure gone by our pick. ASP looks small even amongst u18s Canada was kinda pathetic / embarrassing Sale - Craig button loves him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Hey, my uncles name was Bruno..........what have you against Bruno? Is he from Austria..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, DudePerfect said: Starting to look at final lists that have been coming up and I've noticed some trends: Dvorsky trending down -- He was initially ranked closer between 8-10, but now sits truly around the 14-16 range. Cosentino has him 16, Button has him 19, Daily Faceoff has him 15. Production has slipped a bit, and questions still linger with his ability to drive play and lack of footspeed. Oliver Moore is flying up the boards -- Not seen as strictly as a speedster anymore. Lots of sentiment that he can be an elite two way centre since he played with Eiserman and Hagens. Think he won't make it out of the top 10. ASP & Reinbacher could both go top 10 -- ASP is already turning heads at the U18's and everyone knows a good showing there will boost your stock dramatically. Reinbacher has the traits that will push him to a top 10 selection (mobility, height, RHD, production in men's league). Surprise candidates to fall: Brayden Yager, Eduard Sale, Colby Barlow. Mix of lacking in positional value (Barlow) and did not produce as well in draft years (Sale, Yager). Potential Risers: Samuel Honzek, Riley Heidt, Maxim Strbak. For the Canucks, I think realistically they will go with Honzek. 6'4 centre with smooth stride and decent hands. He's the best of the second tier centers (Honzek, Dvorsky, Danielson, Yager, Ritchie) Awesome post! I would be happy with Honzek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 12 hours ago, stawns said: well, there's no need to "defect" as there are no travel restrictions on Russians, that I know of. He is, however, under contract for the near future and there's no trnsfer agreement between the KHL and NHL, so I supose he could walk away from hos contract, if he wanted to.........can anyone confirm that? KHL deals are honored by the NHL. Depending on, many are not guaranteed contracts & they can simply ask to be released. Or the team can do so; see Jake Virtanen. Higher end players can buy out their guaranteed contracts. The NHL club cannot help do so. Particularly drafted players never do that; as they have to sign a two way deal. Many, see Tryamkin, sign only if they get an out clause if they are assigned to the AHL. NHL clubs in the last 5 years, partly because of agreements wi Sweden, have become much more liberal about assigning prospects under contract to their original club in Europe. But Mitchkov will have to buy out his contract, or play through it before coming over. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I like how everyone has 20 players that “ have to go in top 10” Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson , Mitchkov= 4 which means potentially at 11 one of: Smith, Benson , Leonard, Reinbacher, ASP, Sale, Moore, Yager, Barlow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, stawns said: Brett Hedican was fast? Just sayin... That said; I am a big huge believer in athleticism. The draft combines, fitness testing. Only one player on the ice at a time ice dances with the puck. If the coach doesn't make him go North South regardless. Or worse ; dump and chase! The real reason I have this philosophy is only partly related. Somewhat simple? Ask any coach; gifted athletes are easier to teach most skills! Yes it can be skill centric. Boeser's wrists gifted amongst the best releases in hockey. But a massive whack, a broken wrist and it's taken several years to develop enough other skills to be as effective. My point rings true with gifted athletes. It's much easier to teach a player with power, agility, balance! How to cut edges in any direction. Close out an oncoming rush, pivot. It's certainly easier to count on coordination, the ability to beat an opponent from post to corner, back if necessary. Is less likely to fumble, or get pushed off the puck if they have endurance. I don't think it's any accident that Petey & Quinn are our two best players. They also beat seasoned pro's every year, came in first & 2knd at the bag skate test each pre-season. It's much easier to handle the puck, if your not out of puff. If the guy behind you is a step behind; does not have the core strength to push u off the puck. Petey in particular, as did the Twins, has amazing core strength! Plus the soft hands, the edges, agility. This type of athlete is usually both gifted, and either owns the work effort at training to make it second nature. Or, like Quinn, just loves playing. Plays so much, so hard, against such good competition, even in his backyard. That he is just so fit. That they can execute so many such things at a high level. Allows a coach to keep teaching. Continue to improve, when others don't. Another example is K'Andre Miller! Only had been playing D a cpl years when drafted. Two years later At 20 years old he was already taking shifts with Barkov & Ovechkin coming up ice. If Moore is that gifted athletically? There is always upside. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 17 hours ago, Moe Knows said: and he's not available until 2026 I believe... I think I'd be willing to wait a couple years for a Bure/Pasta level winger vs a 2nd line or 2nd pairing player who will likely only be NHL ready at that some timeframe anyways Obviously some research needs to be done, but if you get an elite level talent and sign him to his ELC once he's ready to join, I think you take it and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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