hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Brett Hedican was fast? Just sayin... That said; I am a big huge believer in athleticism. The draft combines, fitness testing. Only one player on the ice at a time ice dances with the puck. If the coach doesn't make him go North South regardless. Or worse ; dump and chase! The real reason I have this philosophy is only partly related. Somewhat simple? Ask any coach; gifted athletes are easier to teach most skills! Yes it can be skill centric. Boeser's wrists gifted amongst the best releases in hockey. But a massive whack, a broken wrist and it's taken several years to develop enough other skills to be as effective. My point rings true with gifted athletes. It's much easier to teach a player with power, agility, balance! How to cut edges in any direction. Close out an oncoming rush, pivot. It's certainly easier to count on coordination, the ability to beat an opponent from post to corner, back if necessary. Is less likely to fumble, or get pushed off the puck if they have endurance. I don't think it's any accident that Petey & Quinn are our two best players. They also beat seasoned pro's every year, came in first & 2knd at the bag skate test each pre-season. It's much easier to handle the puck, if your not out of puff. If the guy behind you is a step behind; does not have the core strength to push u off the puck. Petey in particular, as did the Twins, has amazing core strength! Plus the soft hands, the edges, agility. This type of athlete is usually both gifted, and either owns the work effort at training to make it second nature. Or, like Quinn, just loves playing. Plays so much, so hard, against such good competition, even in his backyard. That he is just so fit. That they can execute so many such things at a high level. Allows a coach to keep teaching. Continue to improve, when others don't. Another example is K'Andre Miller! Only had been playing D a cpl years when drafted. Two years later At 20 years old he was already taking shifts with Barkov & Ovechkin coming up ice. If Moore is that gifted athletically? There is always upside. I was really high on Newhook for his speed and athleticism that draft year I was pumping both him and Sieder on these boards. Didn't think Pod would drop to us though. Back to Newhook his skating at that age was a level above everyone on the ice he looked soo good at the world jr's and tore up the BCHL. I like Moore love the way he plays I'm just not so sure it will translate in pros against bigger stronger opponents that can keep up with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 On 4/17/2023 at 10:41 AM, Kobayashi Maru said: Here are my top 13 based on what our needs are. Would be nice if we don’t drop but I highly suspect we drop to 12….because…you know….it’s what we do: 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Carlsson 4. Michkov 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Dvorsky 8. Sale 9. Benson 10. Moore 11. Sandin Pellikka 12. Danielson 13. Yager I think the recent start to the U18 tourny has changed my mind a little bit on some of the later picks. I think at this point, I would go with the following for the Canucks based on need vs BPA: 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Carlsson 4. Michkov 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Benson 8. Dvorsky 9. Moore 10. Sandin Pellikka 11. Sale 12. Danielson 13. Yager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Canada beat Germany 8-0 this morning Mathew Wood- 2G Calum Ritchie- 1 G 3 A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: Canada beat Germany 8-0 this morning Mathew Wood- 2G Calum Ritchie- 1 G 3 A Thats good those 2 were also IMO our best players in that Sweden game did I say best? I meant least bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 12 minutes ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: Canada beat Germany 8-0 this morning Mathew Wood- 2G Calum Ritchie- 1 G 3 A Wood is going to be a hell of a player. Love his combination of size and soft hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 24 minutes ago, hammertime said: I was really high on Newhook for his speed and athleticism that draft year I was pumping both him and Sieder on these boards. Didn't think Pod would drop to us though. Back to Newhook his skating at that age was a level above everyone on the ice he looked soo good at the world jr's and tore up the BCHL. I like Moore love the way he plays I'm just not so sure it will translate in pros against bigger stronger opponents that can keep up with him. What's his compete level, desire; the next question? Tyler Motte made a career of less athleticism than that. There is at least a job, a role in the NHL if he wants it? If that gifted. He could also be Barzal... That is also his decision? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Sweden Slovakia about to start excited for this one lots of guys to watch for our later picks. Slovakia Juraj Pekarcik Strbak Sam Barcik Sweden Theo Lindstein Zeb Forsfjall Hugo Pettersson Anton Whalberg and of course the headliners. Dvorsky, ASP, Steinberg, Wallinder, Nilsson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 10 hours ago, DudePerfect said: Starting to look at final lists that have been coming up and I've noticed some trends: Dvorsky trending down -- He was initially ranked closer between 8-10, but now sits truly around the 14-16 range. Cosentino has him 16, Button has him 19, Daily Faceoff has him 15. Production has slipped a bit, and questions still linger with his ability to drive play and lack of footspeed. Oliver Moore is flying up the boards -- Not seen as strictly as a speedster anymore. Lots of sentiment that he can be an elite two way centre since he played with Eiserman and Hagens. Think he won't make it out of the top 10. ASP & Reinbacher could both go top 10 -- ASP is already turning heads at the U18's and everyone knows a good showing there will boost your stock dramatically. Reinbacher has the traits that will push him to a top 10 selection (mobility, height, RHD, production in men's league). Surprise candidates to fall: Brayden Yager, Eduard Sale, Colby Barlow. Mix of lacking in positional value (Barlow) and did not produce as well in draft years (Sale, Yager). Potential Risers: Samuel Honzek, Riley Heidt, Maxim Strbak. For the Canucks, I think realistically they will go with Honzek. 6'4 centre with smooth stride and decent hands. He's the best of the second tier centers (Honzek, Dvorsky, Danielson, Yager, Ritchie) Shane Malloy had an excellent segment yesterday and touched on Reinbacher and ASP. He doesn't see either one of them as having top pairing potential and would be surprised if either one of them go top 10 as there's too much scoring potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Having trouble linking the webpage but here's a Spotify link to Shane Malloy on with Sat. https://open.spotify.com/episode/7xVj4LisP2vhewjbLrHrjP?si=N8OURAWXRTO9U2iNSMtvcQ&dd=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, hammertime said: Sweden Slovakia about to start excited for this one lots of guys to watch for our later picks. Slovakia Juraj Pekarcik Strbak Sam Barcik Sweden Theo Lindstein Zeb Forsfjall Hugo Pettersson Anton Whalberg and of course the headliners. Dvorsky, ASP, Steinberg, Wallinder, Nilsson Noel Nordh, Josh Unger Sorum, Axel Landen. This Sweden team is better and deeper than people realize this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Noel Nordh, Josh Unger Sorum, Axel Landen. This Sweden team is better and deeper than people realize this year. Yaaaa their so deep I don't know if anyone can touch them. Maybe Merica. Hopefully Canada can regroup and get their game on track after getting spanked. Too many individuals on that team as usual with Canada they built an all star team and don't have enough role players. Yeeeeeees Pekarcik Scores!!!!! My guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 OOf Slovakia is defending so deep Pellikka and Lindstein have free reign to play catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 21 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Well, based on what I've seen so far, just my opinion: 1. Bedard (C) 2. Fantilli (C) 3. Carlsson (C/LW) 4. Leonard (RW) 5. Sandin Pellikka (RD) 6. Smith (C) 7. Benson (LW) 8. Dvorsky (C) 9. Moore (C) 10. Reinbacher (RD) 11. Strbak (RD) Assuming the Canucks stay at #11, I would be very happy if they got any one of these players. I love Strbak but still have him as an early 2nd. Any particular reason you have him so high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 20 minutes ago, hammertime said: OOf Slovakia is defending so deep Pellikka and Lindstein have free reign to play catch. Another Goal for ASP, might not affect team rankings but I’m sure he’s going to make a jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: Another Goal for ASP, might not affect team rankings but I’m sure he’s going to make a jump I guess it's beneficial for us that Reinbacher isn't in this tourny. The more guys move up the better shot we have to get him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, hammertime said: Yaaaa their so deep I don't know if anyone can touch them. Maybe Merica. Hopefully Canada can regroup and get their game on track after getting spanked. Too many individuals on that team as usual with Canada they built an all star team and don't have enough role players. Yeeeeeees Pekarcik Scores!!!!! My guy! Finland has a really interesting team too with all the younger guys. Helenius and Kiviharju should both go top 10 if not top 5 next year. They have good depth with their '05s, but not much for high end talent. If those two under-agers can step up and carry the load offensively, Finland could be a dark horse. That's a big "if", and you never know how younger kids will respond to a tournament like this, but if one or both is a legit first overall candidate they just might step up and assert themselves as such. As for Canada, aside from missing a lot of their top players, as is the norm for this tournament, the lack of chemistry is a real thing. We all know USA has played together all season, but I believe this is Sweden's 4th tournament this year with the whole team together: fall 5 Nations, I think the spring was a 4 Nations, plus they were at the WJAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eddie Posted April 21 Popular Post Share Posted April 21 Been looking a little more into the F's that are available and yeah... this is a killer draft, I would say most of the players available at 11/12 are top 5 in the past 2-3 drafts easy. There's clearly a top 4 then after that it could kinda be any order I think. So other than Odds at Bedard I feel a bit better about our 'meaningless' winning streak. I think of Prospects that are likely to be available in our range. Will Smith - Very very likely to be gone by 11 - but can't pass if he is on board. 1C material every day Owen Moore - Kids speed and vision is amazing - would be a perfect pick to replace Miller at #2 C as he ages. Ryan Leonard - Yeah we don't need ANOTHER winger - but we don't really have one with Leonards skill set - All round hard-nosed player with good skill across the board. Likely NHL ready next year. Reinbacher / ASP slot in here for me - currently I'm favoring ASP on recent showings. Dalibor Dvorsky - Another big body C with a good all-round tool box - Lower Ceiling higher floor kinda guy, but worst case I think could fill our 3C hole. Pass : Cristall - Lekkerimaki 2.0 I can see him sliding for similar reasons, looks quite one dimensional. Sale - Another winger with admittedly a very nice toolbox - but I think he carries enough risk to not risk a pick on a position were already loaded on. Honzek - A lot to like here, and could be a great reach pick, but clearly he's a tier below the other players available in our position. DET likely draft him, their gonna feast with the 2 picks they got from us with some very good players available in those positions. Hopefully Hronek is worth it ! So that being said i think the top 10 breaks down like : Bedard ( Generational ) Fantilli ( Franchise potential ) Carlsson ( Franchise potential ) Michkov ( Franchise potential ) ----------------- Benson ( very likely 5 ) ( Very High Ceiling ) Moore ( Very High Ceiling ) Smith ( Very High Ceiling ) Leonard ( Very High Ceiling ) ASP ( Very High Ceiling ) --------- Reinbacher ( High floor, lower ceiling ) Dvorsky ( High floor, lower ceiling ) Cristall ( Pure scoring winger ) Sale ( Pure scoring winger ) So given that, i think the good news is, baring verrrrry bad lottery luck, that we will be able to get a really good C, D or Leonard (beast) at our position. How much of a choice we have depends on how teams ahead of us value the pure goal scoring wingers, which we have seen in recent years drop in favour of the more valuable positions or the more complete skill sets. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Interesting to see that Bjarnason has now leaped Hrabal for top ranked Goalie this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Eddie said: Been looking a little more into the F's that are available and yeah... this is a killer draft, I would say most of the players available at 11/12 are top 5 in the past 2-3 drafts easy. There's clearly a top 4 then after that it could kinda be any order I think. So other than Odds at Bedard I feel a bit better about our 'meaningless' winning streak. I think of Prospects that are likely to be available in our range. Will Smith - Very very likely to be gone by 11 - but can't pass if he is on board. 1C material every day Owen Moore - Kids speed and vision is amazing - would be a perfect pick to replace Miller at #2 C as he ages. Ryan Leonard - Yeah we don't need ANOTHER winger - but we don't really have one with Leonards skill set - All round hard-nosed player with good skill across the board. Likely NHL ready next year. Reinbacher / ASP slot in here for me - currently I'm favoring ASP on recent showings. Dalibor Dvorsky - Another big body C with a good all-round tool box - Lower Ceiling higher floor kinda guy, but worst case I think could fill our 3C hole. Pass : Cristall - Lekkerimaki 2.0 I can see him sliding for similar reasons, looks quite one dimensional. Sale - Another winger with admittedly a very nice toolbox - but I think he carries enough risk to not risk a pick on a position were already loaded on. Honzek - A lot to like here, and could be a great reach pick, but clearly he's a tier below the other players available in our position. DET likely draft him, their gonna feast with the 2 picks they got from us with some very good players available in those positions. Hopefully Hronek is worth it ! So that being said i think the top 10 breaks down like : Bedard ( Generational ) Fantilli ( Franchise potential ) Carlsson ( Franchise potential ) Michkov ( Franchise potential ) ----------------- Benson ( very likely 5 ) ( Very High Ceiling ) Moore ( Very High Ceiling ) Smith ( Very High Ceiling ) Leonard ( Very High Ceiling ) ASP ( Very High Ceiling ) --------- Reinbacher ( High floor, lower ceiling ) Dvorsky ( High floor, lower ceiling ) Cristall ( Pure scoring winger ) Sale ( Pure scoring winger ) So given that, i think the good news is, baring verrrrry bad lottery luck, that we will be able to get a really good C, D or Leonard (beast) at our position. How much of a choice we have depends on how teams ahead of us value the pure goal scoring wingers, which we have seen in recent years drop in favour of the more valuable positions or the more complete skill sets. You watching this game Dvorsky has looked absolutely awful. He's turned it over every time he's touched the puck. Getting way out of position to deliver hits with the puck half way down the ice Sweden going 5 on 4. Edited April 21 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: I like how everyone has 20 players that “ have to go in top 10” Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson , Mitchkov= 4 which means potentially at 11 one of: Smith, Benson , Leonard, Reinbacher, ASP, Sale, Moore, Yager, Barlow I used the NA and European Central Scouting rankings for their top 10 players each to make a top 20. It was more difficult than I expected. https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2023/nhl-central-scouting/eu https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2023/nhl-central-scouting/na My method was to match the top ranked player in each section and move down the list. Carlsson v Bedard. I picked Bedard as 1st, so the second pick option is Carlsson v Fantilli. I picked Fantilli. Then, Carlsson over Smith. Michkov over Smith. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, Smith as the top 5 is a consensus opinion by most. 1. Bedard over Carlsson 2. Fantilli over Carlsson 3. Carlsson over Smith 4. Michkov over Smith 5. Smith over Dvorsky ------------------------------------- 6. Dvorsky over Wood 7. Sale over Wood 8. Wood over Reinbacher - This is where it got difficult for me because I don't have Wood ranked so high. 9. Leonard over Reinbacher 10. Benson over Reinbacher 11.Reinbacher over Danielson 12. Stenberg over Danielson - I've recently been scouting some videos and I'm liking his potential as a physical middle 6 forward. 13. Sandin- Pellikka over Danielson 14. Danielson over Hameenaho 15. Moore over Hameenaho 16. Honzek over Hameenaho 17. Hameenho over Perreaul 18. Perreault over But 19. But 20. Gulyayev This isn't how I think it will play out personally, but it was an interesting experiment by limiting who I got to select for each pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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