Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Did Dvorsky have a game or what? I know it was against the Germans but 4 goals is still 4 goals. Being the only notable player on the team and having 2-3 German players draped over him all game scoring 5 points (4 goals) is quite remarkable Edited April 25 by Pure961089 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Michkov kind of reminds me of Kuzmenko. The skill is definitely there. Super good hands, an elite shot, high hockey IQ, but he's also not the best skater and sometimes he'll give up on a backcheck, etc. The ceiling would be high though, if the Canucks could eventually get him to BC to train and learn to play the right way. Could take years. They might like that raw talent they can mold into a superstar. Still seems like a risky pick though. I'm not sure he falls outside of the Top 10 (where the Canucks will probably pick), but if he does, then they have to take the chance. If by some magic the Canucks get into the Top 2, then I hope it's Bedard or Fantilli. Could not disagree more about the skating. I'm not sure if you mean speed-wise, but I've long thought Michkov had some of the best edges and most explosive changes of direction I've seen from a forward prospect in many years. As others have said, if not for the Russia situation and his contract he would have been a shoe-in for second overall, as great as Fantilli and Carlsson are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, higgyfan said: Actually, Perrault scored 45pts as a 17yr old, while Matthews scored 48pts as a 16yr old. Matthews played in Europe in his draft year. Incorrect. Matthews is a late birthday. His draft year was his 18 year old year. He turned 17 from well before the NTDP season started in his D-1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: Yah, mid season rankings. Watch him jump up into the top 10 in their final rankings That was a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 44 minutes ago, stawns said: That was a few weeks ago Incorrect. Bob McKenzie has not released his final rankings. His mid-season ranking is from January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 I've seen some people here talking about Sandin-Pellikka and Gabe Perreault improving their rankings based on the U18s, but I don't buy it. I just haven't seen anything new or different than what I've seen from them all year. To me the player who's most improved his rankings based on this tournament so far has easily been Maxim Strbak. I've seen a fair amount of him before and have always thought of him as a big defensive defenseman. He's showing a level of skill and confidence with the puck here that I had no idea he had in him. If the tournament ended today he'd be my pick for best defenseman of the tournament. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: I've seen some people here talking about Sandin-Pellikka and Gabe Perreault improving their rankings based on the U18s, but I don't buy it. I just haven't seen anything new or different than what I've seen from them all year. To me the player who's most improved his rankings based on this tournament so far has easily been Maxim Strbak. I've seen a fair amount of him before and have always thought of him as a big defensive defenseman. He's showing a level of skill and confidence with the puck here that I had no idea he had in him. If the tournament ended today he'd be my pick for best defenseman of the tournament. I'm going through a move and have a 5 month baby at home, so sadly, I haven't had the time to follow the tourney. I've heard Strbak's name flying around a bunch and sounds like a hell of a prospect. I have a hunch he'll be going in the 1st round. This time of year (the u18's) is always fascinating, because this tournament can do a lot to a player's stock. Although it may not be the case for you, I wonder if this tourney serves as another reminder as to how well ASP plays amongst his peers - and thus, elevate his draft stock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I'm going through a move and have a 5 month baby at home, so sadly, I haven't had the time to follow the tourney. I've heard Strbak's name flying around a bunch and sounds like a hell of a prospect. I have a hunch he'll be going in the 1st round. This time of year (the u18's) is always fascinating, because this tournament can do a lot to a player's stock. Although it may not be the case for you, I wonder if this tourney serves as another reminder as to how well ASP plays amongst his peers - and thus, elevate his draft stock. Fair enough I suppose, but I believe this is the 4th time this year he's played for Sweden at the U18 level - Hlinkas back in August, 5 Nations in November, and 4 Nations in February. I dunno, I mean it will elevate his draft stock in the opinions of fans and media sure, but for the actual NHL team scouts I suspect it's more about just tracking improvement from Hlinkas and the beginning of the season up to now. And of course so that the higher ranking scouts and GMs can get a closer look at players their regional scouts have been pushing. Not to say there are never players who significantly effect their draft stock with this tournament - Mason McTavish was a great example of a player I thought looked night and day improved from the start of the season to U18s; Lekkerimaki was another one I thought took his game to another level at that tournament - I just don't see it with ASP personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, stawns said: That was a few weeks ago I just looked today on elite prospects Draft centre and Bob only has his mid-term rankings out. Most won't have heir final draft ranking until after the u18 tourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Friendly reminder that Benning traded a 40 goal scorer for pylon Erik Gudbranson. And that might not even be his worst trade when you think of the OEL trade. Let that sink in. But trading McCann is right up there with Cam Neely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Friendly reminder that Benning traded a 40 goal scorer for pylon Erik Gudbranson. And that might not even be his worst trade when you think of the OEL trade. Let that sink in. But trading McCann is right up there with Cam Neely Pittsburgh need to protect players so they trade him to Toronto and then Toronto left him exposed during the Seattle expansion draft, so I wouldn't necessarily say it's up there with the Neely trade. But I get your point. It always sucks to see a player we draft have success elsewhere, but good on McCann for finding his game and getting paid for it. I hope his injury isn't too bad and he can come back and lead the Kraken to the finals... then we'll bring up Neely again Edited April 25 by TheQuietQuitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said: I've seen some people here talking about Sandin-Pellikka and Gabe Perreault improving their rankings based on the U18s, but I don't buy it. I just haven't seen anything new or different than what I've seen from them all year. To me the player who's most improved his rankings based on this tournament so far has easily been Maxim Strbak. I've seen a fair amount of him before and have always thought of him as a big defensive defenseman. He's showing a level of skill and confidence with the puck here that I had no idea he had in him. If the tournament ended today he'd be my pick for best defenseman of the tournament. I agree strbak has changed the way I view him most. I wasn’t high on him st all going into this tourney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 This tournament is going to make things interesting. The Americans are just playing solid as a team so hard to look into their stats too much - I think they're just all playing well so their stats are getting a bit inflated. Canada would be a different team with Bedard obviously. Dvorsky and Strbak are making things interesting - solid performances on a lesser team. ASP is carrying the show a bit for Sweden rather than being a product of their success. I think Dvorsky and ASP deserve to boost their draft rankings a bit whereas be cautious about Smith, Leonard etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, R3aL said: I agree strbak has changed the way I view him most. I wasn’t high on him st all going into this tourney Yeah he's been solid, deserves to go late first for sure. Shame the Russians aren't playing so it's hard to assess how guys like Gulyayev would have been, but Strbak is no 2nd rounder. Theo Lindstein is another one expected to go in the 2nd but is having a solid tournie too. I know this isn't supposed to be a solid defensive draft but there are some real gems in there and a lot of possible future solid top-4 defencemen. I'd say ASP is the only one with star potential but obviously guys like Reinbacher, Gulyayev/Dragicevic/Simashev can all be solid consistent NHL defencemen. One or a lot of these guys might fall to the early 2nd round so it'd be so huge for us to recover a 2nd round pick. This is the main reason I didn't like the Hronek deal too much - that 1st we gave up could be a guy like Simashev, and the 2nd could be a guy like Strbak. Detroit have 3 high 2nds in a row. I know it's unlikely but that could be 3 top-4 defencemen right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pure961089 said: I just looked today on elite prospects Draft centre and Bob only has his mid-term rankings out. Most won't have heir final draft ranking until after the u18 tourney You could be right, I'll have a look for the link Here's Buttons list from Mar 28 https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-adamfantilli-leo-carlsson-jostle-for-second-behind-connor-bedard-in-nhl-draft-ranking-1.1937531 Edited April 25 by stawns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 24 minutes ago, stawns said: You could be right, I'll have a look for the link Here's Buttons list from Mar 28 https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-adamfantilli-leo-carlsson-jostle-for-second-behind-connor-bedard-in-nhl-draft-ranking-1.1937531 Reinbacher ranked near the end of round one. Maybe we could trade down to the back half of round one, get a second for doing so, and still draft this player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Not big on Button's list. He has Barlow, Sale and Cristall very high and dropped Dvorsky, Moore and Leonard. I think it'll be the opposite. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 58 minutes ago, stawns said: You could be right, I'll have a look for the link Here's Buttons list from Mar 28 https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-adamfantilli-leo-carlsson-jostle-for-second-behind-connor-bedard-in-nhl-draft-ranking-1.1937531 A few surprises there, Barlow and Sale so high? He does have a decent pulse on the kids. Reinbacher so low is concerning, and Wallinder so high. According to this, we might have a pick at ASP, Leonard, Moore, Reinbacher etc. which would be interesting. Watching ASP right now, he's very similar to Hughes... Leonard right now with a huge bunch of defensive and offensive plays. He'd look real good as our 3rd line center and eventually take the reins of JT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Craig's list is as always a talking point. Interesting how low he is on the D - I think Reinbacher isn't top 10 - but that is a bit low... Even more surprising is Simashev in the 3rd round... Man, I hope he falls to us, would be a great shutdown D, EP have him in the top 10. Shows how low that Button is on the D this year. I wonder if it also has to do with the emerging pattern of teams not wanting to risk high draft picks on D that aren't really dynamic - given the high bust potential we have seen in recent years of high shutdown picks. Strange how high he is on the Wingers too apart from Leonard who is the standout W for me, Moore down at 14 - Dvorsky 19 ... while he has Barlow at 7 and Perreault at 11 and thinks Sale is the next Pasta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Ryan Leonard with a 2 goals and 2 assists in the 2nd against the Swiss Will smith with a 3 assists , Perrault with 2 goals and 1 assist. These guys are going to have some impressive point totals by the end of the tourney Edited April 25 by Off_The_Schneid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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