Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 One player who's seen his stock skyrocket during the U18's is Cole Eiserman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 50 minutes ago, hammertime said: Good post! Re Gud. I think he was 24 at the time of the trade. He had been apprenticing with Willie Mitchell in FLA to become a shutdown D and he looked quite good. he had that high draft pedigree too. At that time it looked like a good trade. Florida fans weren't celebrating in the streets. As has been stated Seattle got him after he flunked out of 2 more teams after the trade. Re Lekkerimaki really rooting for this kid. He wasn't my first choice skating, size, and slow reaction time were my concern's. I had lots of conversations with HOH about him last year regarding why I had him in the mid 20's and for much of the year outside the 1st. I had and still have different priorities. It's waaaaay to early to call Lekkerimaki a bust though. He has an elite shot and some good hockey sense. Alot of guys can make the show on that alone. If he can get stronger and quicker he's got a good chance to be an impact player. Where much of my issue with him stems from is you're gonna have to parachute him into your top 6 like a Kuzzmenko and it's pretty rare to be able to do that. If he's on your 3rd or 4th with Joshua Di Guiseppe he's gonna struggle in that role. Where a Bystedt, Kulich, Gaucher could come in and play their way up the ranks and contribute in a supporting role. Again just different priorities and why I have guys like Danielson Ritchie high again this year and probably look past a Cristall who has a sky high ceiling. It's awesome to see Lekkerimaki have some success after the year he's had but he's got a real long way to go still. Would love to get him in Abby training with the Sedins and Ryan Johnson. I think there's a good chance Alvin picks size this time. There's a lot of players like Wood that are rising up the rankings. The way Wood is playing at the U18's he reminds me of a young Rantanen, good size and not afraid to use it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: I think there's a good chance Alvin picks size this time. There's a lot of players like Wood that are rising up the rankings. The way Wood is playing at the U18's he reminds me of a young Rantanen, good size and not afraid to use it. Wood is an absolute beauty of a player, local kid to boot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: Ryan Leonard with a 2 goals and 2 assists in the 2nd against the Swiss Will smith with a 3 assists , Perrault with 2 goals and 1 assist. These guys are going to have some impressive point totals by the end of the tourney https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/news/43860/sui-usa Muse praised Leonard: "That's who he is. Ryan Leonard doesn't take days off. I haven't seen it once in two years. So I'm not expecting to see it any time soon. He's always going, every single game, every single practice. He's playing like it's playoff hockey for him all the time." 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 48 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: One player who's seen his stock skyrocket during the U18's is Cole Eiserman Cole Eiserman also stepped up again, tallying twice in the first period for the Americans. The 16-year-old phenom leads these U18 Worlds with eight goals. The single-tournament record of 14 goals is shared by Alexander Ovechkin (2002) and Cole Caufield (2019). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I hope people realize just how good of talent there will be at pick 11. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, TheQuietQuitter said: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/news/43860/sui-usa Muse praised Leonard: "That's who he is. Ryan Leonard doesn't take days off. I haven't seen it once in two years. So I'm not expecting to see it any time soon. He's always going, every single game, every single practice. He's playing like it's playoff hockey for him all the time." I don't think he makes it past the Caps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, YearoftheNuck said: Yeah Wood’s stock is soaring while Cristall’s must be plummeting. I love it! I doubt plummeting. Probably not rising. But plummeting is a bit strong. He's played a lot of good hockey this year. Had a better PPG than Benson and Heidt and unlike those 2 didn't have the likes of Savoie, Mclennon, Wheatcroft, Ziemmer to play with. I'm not Cristall's biggest fan but I think it would be short selling him to say his stock's plummeted after a few games this tourney. My $.02 If we are in a rebuild right now I would be watching Sale, Benson, Cristall, Heidt, Perrault very closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I can see why Barlow is ranked very high on so many lists. There's a lot of Mason McTavish in him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 28 minutes ago, hammertime said: I doubt plummeting. Probably not rising. But plummeting is a bit strong. He's played a lot of good hockey this year. Had a better PPG than Benson and Heidt and unlike those 2 didn't have the likes of Savoie, Mclennon, Wheatcroft, Ziemmer to play with. I'm not Cristall's biggest fan but I think it would be short selling him to say his stock's plummeted after a few games this tourney. My $.02 If we are in a rebuild right now I would be watching Sale, Benson, Cristall, Heidt, Perrault very closely. Yeah to say he's plummeting, it would depend where you thought his stock was to begin with. Has not been a good tournament for him. I'm not sure where the consensus is at right now, but I can't see him being in my top 20. I'd definitely take either of Perreauult or Moore over him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 38 minutes ago, hammertime said: I doubt plummeting. Probably not rising. But plummeting is a bit strong. He's played a lot of good hockey this year. Had a better PPG than Benson and Heidt and unlike those 2 didn't have the likes of Savoie, Mclennon, Wheatcroft, Ziemmer to play with. I'm not Cristall's biggest fan but I think it would be short selling him to say his stock's plummeted after a few games this tourney. My $.02 If we are in a rebuild right now I would be watching Sale, Benson, Cristall, Heidt, Perrault very closely. I do think that the smaller players will drop, just like Caufield did because when I'm watching the playoffs I'm seeing a lot of big players steamrolling over smaller players. Edited April 25 by Pure961089 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pure961089 said: One player who's seen his stock skyrocket during the U18's is Cole Eiserman Lol couldn't be up that much from his 20 points in 7 games at the U17 tournament. But yeah he's sensational. That said, Macklin Celebrini and Aron Kiviharju have also had remarkable tournaments. I've honestly thought Celebrini has been Canada's best player so far centering the top line with Wood and Ritchie. Seems like maybe the odds on favorite for 2024 first overall early on. And then Kiviharju has led his team in ATOI at just over 25 minutes per game (2nd in the tournament behind Strbak), and he has such a calming, play-controlling presence for his team half of every game. Gonna be tough for Eiserman to pass either of those two in my books. Those would seem to maybe form the early top three, but one player not at this tournament Ivan Demidov has had a pretty ridiculous year in Russia. 3rd in MHL scoring and didn't turn 17 until December, then lit up their playoffs too. Hasn't been at international tournaments for a while but last time Russia was at the Hlinkas he was there I think it was 2.5 years underage and was an impact player for them (centering the 3rd line IIRC). Konsta Helenius has been good at the U18s but not exactly outstanding. He seems to be centering what could be construed as the top line for Finland with Halttunen. He's a feisty, hard-nosed (and highly skilled) forward but not as physically developed as Eiserman or Celebrini - Eiserman is freak athlete and Celebrini is a stocky dude so they can hold their own with the older kids. Zeev Buium has been fantastic as always; a 2005 late birthday, he could be in the mix for next defenseman picked after Kiviharju. Edited April 25 by HighOnHockey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Willander or Reinbacher would be the perfect partner for Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I hope people realize just how good of talent there will be at pick 11. This is where I differ a bit. If we look at the consolidated ranking from April 17th https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/04/17/consolidated-final-2023-nhl-draft-rankings/ We've got Benson Cristall Dvorsky and to a lesser extent Sale I hope all 4 of those go before our pick 11-12 (Sale looks real good though). If they don't and the next 4 move up. ASP Rein Barlow Danielson Then....... I am definitely more interested in 2 players in the 20-40's Or 1 player in the 20-40's and a player who can play 3C or shut down D right now. Gimme Ritchie - Strbak Honzek - Hrabal Simashev - Molgaard Wood - Bonk But - Lind I could keep going there are a lot of late 1st early 2nds I'm stoked about. But let's talk about the 3rd because damn let's stockpile 3rd's and 4ths good job PA/JR. Alotta very good kids here. 65 Felix Nilsson 59.7 C/W Rögle BK J20 J20 Nationell Jun 22, 2005 6’0″ 174 L 66 Jacob Fowler 60.0 G Youngstown Phantoms USHL Nov 24, 2004 6’2″ 201 L 67 Cameron Allen 60.7 D Guelph Storm OHL Jan 7, 2005 5’11” 190 R 68 Noel Nordh 61.0 LW/RW Brynäs IF J20 J20 Nationell Jan 25, 2005 6’2″ 194 L 69 Anton Wahlberg 61.5 C Malmö Redhawks J20 J20 Nationell Jul 4, 2005 6’3″ 185 L 70 Roman Kantserov 62.0 F Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk MHL Sep 20, 2004 5’9″ 176 L 71 Andrew Strathmann 62.0 D Youngstown Phantoms USHL Feb 27, 2005 5’11” 174 L 72 Mathieu Cataford 63.5 RW Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL Mar 1, 2005 5’11” 187 R 73 Jakub Dvorak 64.0 D Bili Tygri Liberec Czechia May 25, 2005 6’5″ 203 L 74 Carter Sotheran 64.0 D Portland Winterhawks WHL Jun 26, 2005 6’3″ 185 R 75 Arvid Bergstrom 64.0 D Djurgårdens IF J20 J20 Nationell Jun 12, 2005 5’11” 163 L 76 Aram Minnetian 67.0 D U.S. National U18 Team USDP Mar 19, 2005 6’0″ 170 R 77 Matthew Soto 68.5 RW Kingston Frontenacs OHL Aug 31, 2005 5’11” 168 R 78 Tuomas Uronen 72.0 F HIFK U20 U20 SM-sarja Mar 19, 2005 6’0″ 187 R 79 Jesse Nurmi 75.3 LW KooKoo U20 U20 SM-sarja Mar 7, 2005 5’11” 165 L 80 Zeb Forsfjall 76.0 C Skellefteå AIK J20 J20 Nationell Jan 16, 2005 5’9″ 168 L 81 Emil Jarventie 79.0 F Ilves U20 U20 SM-sarja Apr 4, 2005 5’10” 168 L 82 Matthew Mania 79.7 D Sudbury Wolves OHL Jan 11, 2005 6’0″ 187 R 83 Arttu Karki 81.0 D Tappara U20 U20 SM-sarja Dec 8, 2004 6’2″ 176 L 84 Jordan Tourigny 83.0 D Shawinigan Cataractes QMJHL Feb 28, 2005 5’11” 168 R 85 Jaden Lipinski 90.0 F Vancouver Giants WHL Dec 2, 2004 6’3″ 198 R Add in. Juraj Pekarcik F Must'a said something about someone's mamma. Oskar Asplund LD Overager Adam because I Cedzo F Gavin McCarthy RD tough as nails Milton Oscarson F whaaaat? Peter Cizar F eat your salad Sam Barcik RD Haven't noticed him in a good way. I could just keep going and going I'm missing tons of guys I've probably already made posts about. I think when people talk about this draft being deep it's not so much 8-20 it's more how many incredibly exciting picks there are 20-100+. There are guys ranked in the 90's I'd look at with a 2nd. It's a murky draft I think much has to do with how covid threw everything for a loop and a lot of these kids haven't had good looks or skipped some development and are just getting a look now. Edited April 26 by hammertime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, hammertime said: Good post! Re Gud. I think he was 24 at the time of the trade. He had been apprenticing with Willie Mitchell in FLA to become a shutdown D and he looked quite good. he had that high draft pedigree too. At that time it looked like a good trade. Florida fans weren't celebrating in the streets. As has been stated Seattle got him after he flunked out of 2 more teams after the trade. Re Lekkerimaki really rooting for this kid. He wasn't my first choice skating, size, and slow reaction time were my concern's. I had lots of conversations with HOH about him last year regarding why I had him in the mid 20's and for much of the year outside the 1st. I had and still have different priorities. It's waaaaay to early to call Lekkerimaki a bust though. He has an elite shot and some good hockey sense. Alot of guys can make the show on that alone. If he can get stronger and quicker he's got a good chance to be an impact player. Where much of my issue with him stems from is you're gonna have to parachute him into your top 6 like a Kuzzmenko and it's pretty rare to be able to do that. If he's on your 3rd or 4th with Joshua Di Guiseppe he's gonna struggle in that role. Where a Bystedt, Kulich, Gaucher could come in and play their way up the ranks and contribute in a supporting role. Again just different priorities and why I have guys like Danielson Ritchie high again this year and probably look past a Cristall who has a sky high ceiling. It's awesome to see Lekkerimaki have some success after the year he's had but he's got a real long way to go still. Would love to get him in Abby training with the Sedins and Ryan Johnson. Yeah, I remember Mitchell not being too impressed with Florida dealing him to Vancouver. Not sure what happened... It will be interesting to see if JL eventually will be able to fly into a top 6 position. Its true as you say, its almost boom or bust with him, as he is not likely to work too well as a bottom forward. I do understand, that a 1st round should hopefully become an impact player, but agree 100% that where we are now, we need sure fire NHL'ers if possible high floors, even if it means lower ceilings. We need strength (dare I say size) in our line up. Both on the backend and amongst the forwards as well. Too many players without a mean streak in their game... Hopefully we can address this now. I expect a C to be the target, but wouldn't mind Wood or Leonard if the write ups are correct. Alternatively a RHD... PS. There are some nice players at the lower rankings... Jacub Dvorak LHD 6'5, Carter Sotheran 6'3 RHD or Anton Walberg 6'3 C... lots of interesting players (but I don't don't know Jack about their ability... Just like to draft size to support the peewee Canucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: So many top prospects getting a chance to showcase themselves at this U18s tournament, but the top ranked defenseman in the draft for me right now, Mikhail Gulyayev has not had the chance to play on the big stage all year. His Omskie Yastreby is currently in game six of the MHL finals trying to force a game seven and they're going to overtime. I'll be skipping the third period of the Canada game to check this out. Watched most of this It was a decent game. Gulyayev looked to tweak something when he took that holding penalty. He had a few good rushes and I'm not sure if he got the 2ndary assist on Trikozov's 1st goal after the scramble. One big separating factor between Hughes and Gulyayev which I'm not saying you have made comparisons but if there are comparisons to be made Gulyayev really struggled on several occasions to get the puck out and had his pocket picked a few times resulting in dangerous chances. Take for what you will. I am also a fan of this player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: @R3aL Eduard Sale having an absolute hell of a game against Canada this morning. As @hammertime mentioned, kid just looks like such a pro. Doesn't stand out much by making flashy plays, but it seems every time he touches the ice this game he's involved in a scoring chance, just by keeping things simple, forcing turnovers, using his linemates, getting into open space or around the net with perfect timing. I’m going to have to watch the game later as I’ve never watched him play a full game where I’ve been impressed. I need to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 8 minutes ago, spook007 said: PS. There are some nice players at the lower rankings... Jacub Dvorak LHD 6'5, Carter Sotheran 6'3 RHD or Anton Walberg 6'3 C... lots of interesting players (but I don't don't know Jack about their ability... Just like to draft size to support the peewee Canucks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Still don't prefer a winger, but Leonard, Barlow, Sale, and Wood could all be very good picks at 11. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: Still don't prefer a winger, but Leonard, Barlow, Sale, and Wood could all be very good picks at 11. I'm leaning that way too if we pick a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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